Censoring Free Speech - New York Outlaws Common Terms

[Ericthegreat]

I'm at the local Western Union waiting for you to wire me your savings (don't forget anything in your wallet).

Edit: edited because his mom is probably a nice lady.

 

[morvoran]

How on God's green earth does telling a random Hispanic to "go back to where you came from" not qualify as "fighting words," then what the hell DOES qualify as "fighting words" to you? Are you gonna walk up to the biggest, meanest random Hispanic you see and tell him to "go back to where you came from?" NO? Well why the hell not, seems like it would be a good test case, get someone else to record it though in case it doesn't go as you planned ROFLMAO

Why would I walk up to anybody and say that? What's my motivation? Am I playing the part of "a liberal prick" and pretending he's a Trump supporter? Is he here legally and working for his own living or here illegally while being supported by our tax dollars?

As big a man as I am, I doubt anybody would take what I say as "fighting words" and would just reply "ok, sir". If they tried anything, I would defend myself and then call the cops on them after I beat the living hell out of them.

The country could do all those things, have you ever noticed the budgets go up every year, yet we still don't pay for kids lunch's, and teachers still aren't paid close to well enough, and they won't be, every district steals all they can, the mexicans didn't change that. Not saying this is a republican issue, it's a government in general issue.

Well, I will say it is a liberal policy caused issue. If we didn't have all this waste on things like giving illegals free housing and welfare checks, abuse of our welfare systems by people who don't really need it, lowered medical costs, and get people to work (all policies that the Trump admin has been successfully working on), we would be able to take care of our most needy, pay our teachers/policemen/firefighters/etc. what they should be paid, rebuild our infrastructure, and make this country prosperous again.

If you compare republican ran cities/states against liberal democrat ran cities/states, you'll see the difference in how prosperous each is compared to the other(just a hint, the liberal ran cities look like ). Not all republican cities are utopias, but they are better off than most democrat cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Detroit.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I'm not reading the entire thread, and it's probably already been brought up. But this is NOT censoring or taking away anyone's freedom of speech. Period.

Freedom of speech does NOT = freedom from consequences of enacting upon said freedom. HUGE difference. No ones freedoms are being taken away here. Move along. Nothing to see.

If a person walks into their job Monday morning and tells their boss what they REALLY think of them, and they get fired for it, does that mean their freedom of speech was taken away? Or that they were censored? Or limited from saying what they wish? No. This is nothing but complete crock of crap.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Why would I walk up to anybody and say that? What's my motivation? Am I playing the part of "a liberal prick" and pretending he's a Trump supporter? Is he here legally and working for his own living or here illegally while being supported by our tax dollars?

As big a man as I am, I doubt anybody would take what I say as "fighting words" and would just reply "ok, sir". If they tried anything, I would defend myself and then call the cops on them after I beat the living hell out of them.


Well, I will say it is a liberal policy caused issue. If we didn't have all this waste on things like giving illegals free housing and welfare checks, abuse of our welfare systems by people who don't really need it, lowered medical costs, and get people to work (all policies that the Trump admin has been successfully working on), we would be able to take care of our most needy, pay our teachers/policemen/firefighters/etc. what they should be paid, rebuild our infrastructure, and make this country prosperous again.

If you compare republican ran cities/states against liberal democrat ran cities/states, you'll see the difference in how prosperous each is compared to the other(just a hint, the liberal ran cities look like ). Not all republican cities are utopias, but they are better off than most democrat cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Detroit.

I'm sorry CA is very liberal and though we have a homeless issue, we pretty much have universal health care, which is very good for the homeless and those who can't afford meds/doctor visits, people who qualify (most do unless you make a certain % over the poverty bracket) get $0 co-pays, free prescriptions, and get to chose their own in network doctor, which by the way by law has to see them by the next day if they are sick, or within 2 weeks for a non important issue, or a specialist within one month. Seeing people in other states dieing from not having their meds, and not being able to see a doctor is just cruel.... Here in the bay area, the average person does quite well on average, and I think we are the most liberal area in the country.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

You mean this post afterwards, where you say the same thing for the second time?




Anyway, I'm just pointing out that's bullshit. If you're born within the borders of the United States, you're a citizen of the United States. Being a "Native American" doesn't make a person a "more" American. And if you weren't born within the borders of the USA and you're not a naturalized citizen, you shouldn't be here unless you've got a current visa. It's pretty simple.




It's their parents' fault, for bringing them illegally to a foreign country. They are victims of their parent's crime. It may be no fault of their own, but it's not my fault (or other Americans) either. You want to help a "dreamer" become a citizen? Hire an immigration lawyer for them, and offer to be their green card sponsor. That means you'll be financially liable if they go on any kind of public assistance.






The U.S. Code.

And Genesis.

like i said, post 47. However dont let that stop you

Congratulations for not reading the posts afterwards. You are the 3rd winner in this thread.

For the 3rd time: As i said earlier I used that statement to point out the actual intent of the poster I was replying to. Nothing more nothing less.

read the whole post instead of looking through the thread for things to "PWN"
people on.

check post #47 for context.

Selectively reading my post at its finest

 

[billapong]

I'm not reading the entire thread, and it's probably already been brought up. But this is NOT censoring or taking away anyone's freedom of speech. Period.

Freedom of speech does NOT = freedom from consequences of enacting upon said freedom. HUGE difference. No ones freedoms are being taken away here. Move along. Nothing to see.

If a person walks into their job Monday morning and tells their boss what they REALLY think of them, and they get fired for it, does that mean their freedom of speech was taken away? Or that they were censored? Or limited from saying what they wish? No. This is nothing but complete crock of crap.

Making a law that outlaws speech, even two simple phrases like these, is a limiting free speech. It's a separate issue than someone doing something because you said something (as the Government would be not involved).

I firmly believe you should be legally be able to tell your boss how you feel and he should legally be able to fire your ass because of it (or any other reason they want, because it's their company). If your disrespectful ass can quit whenever you want for whatever reason you want I should be able to fire you whenever I want for any reason I want (or to not hire you in the first place for any reason I specify, that's if I even give you a reason).

 

[yuyuyup]

As big a man as I am, I doubt anybody would take what I say as "fighting words" and would just reply "ok, sir". If they tried anything, I would defend myself and then call the cops on them after I beat the living hell out of them.

ok well luckily your feefees have NOTHING to do with the law. It's hilarious, my argument is "hey maybe you guys should actually check the laws before making dumb-dumb mistakes," and what's the answer I get from you and billapong? You act like friggin toughguys ROFLMAO I'm tellin ya, it's feefee city in this thread

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Making a law that outlaws speech, even two simple phrases like these, is a limiting free speech. It's a separate issue than someone doing something because you said something (as the Government would be not involved).

You're not getting it. It's still not censoring or inhibiting anyone's free speech. At all. There is zero debate to be had on it. EVERYone is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT free to go to NYC and "threaten to call ICE based on a discriminatory motive or to tell someone "go back to your country." No one is stopping anyone else from doing so. Zero constitutional rights have been taken away here.

 

[billapong]

You're not getting it. It's still not censoring or inhibiting anyone's free speech. At all. There is zero debate to be had on it. EVERYone is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT free to go to NYC and "threaten to call ICE based on a discriminatory motive or to tell someone "go back to your country." No one is stopping anyone else from doing so. Zero constitutional rights have been taken away here.

They've outlawed certain phrases (spoken words), which is limiting free speech, which is protected by the Constitution. If you can't see how this limits free speech by people who obey laws then there's no hope for you. I wonder how people would feel if the federal government started arresting people for saying "I hate Trump", because this is the sort of precedent and thinking that will lead to that.

 

[DarthDub]

Won't be long before New York becomes a sanctuary state.

 

[Deleted User]

To those saying that this is "outlawing" free speech. Let me say this. If I walked up to a man, threatened that I was going to kill him, and then he called the police on me. Does that mean I get out scott free and play the "well it's free speech" card? No. Everything has consequences, cause and effect. Free speech means you can say what you want, however it doesn't mean that it will not come with consequences either socially or by law, especially under the circumstance when another individual is threatened.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

They've outlawed certain phrases (spoken words), which is limiting free speech, which is protected by the Constitution. If you can't see how this limits free speech by people who obey laws then there's no hope for you. I wonder how people would feel if the federal government started arresting people for saying "I hate Trump", because this is the sort of precedent and thinking that will lead to that.

Once again, I'll nee to end this conversation with you. You're still free to speak whatever you wish. Where in the Constitution does it state that freedom of speech equates freedom from consequence? Nowhere. I don't think you Trumpites understand ANY of the Constitution. Next you're going to tell me that the slaughtering of children at schools is okay, becasue you know, that 2nd amendment. Or in a less extreme example, that it's okay for people to bully others to the point of suicide, becasue you know, that first amendment. Why do Republicans only use the Constitution when it suits their own reasoning for something? What about all of Trumps Constitutional violations? I'm hearing crickets on those.

Get off your high horse and quit playing poor victim. I thought you Trumpers were tough as nails! All I see is tears. Is your right to be a complete asshole to other human beings being violated? Boo hoo. Cry me a river. What this boils down to is possible fines being imposed for bullying & hatred. Which I am in full support of. It has zero to do with anyone's freedom being taken away. You're still free to be a bully.

Thanks. Goodnight.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

This is incredibly misleading. It's 100% clear that homo sapiens did not originate in the American continent. "Native" americans are no different than "caucasians" who were born in america in terms of nativity, they just have a longer succession line in here. Actually if you consider the Toba Catastrophe, there's probably only one very small region in the whole planet where humans can be called truly "native" in that sense.. Actually there isn't, if the Toba survivors weren't from humanity's birthplace.

Congratulations you are now winner #4. Read post #47 for full context.

Congratulations for not reading the posts afterwards. You are the 3rd winner in this thread.

For the 3rd time: As i said earlier I used that statement to point out the actual intent of the poster I was replying to. Nothing more nothing less.

read the whole post instead of looking through the thread for things to "PWN"
people on.

check post #47 for context.

 

[billapong]

Once again, I'll nee to end this conversation with you. You're still free to speak whatever you wish. Where in the Constitution does it state that freedom of speech equates freedom from consequence? Nowhere. I don't think you Trumpites understand ANY of the Constitution. Next you're going to tell me that the slaughtering of children at schools is okay, becasue you know, that 2nd amendment. Or in a less extreme example, that it's okay for people to bully others to the point of suicide, becasue you know, that first amendment. Why do Republicans only use the Constitution when it suits their own reasoning for something? What about all of Trumps Constitutional violations? I'm hearing crickets on those.

Get off your high horse and quit playing poor victim. I thought you Trumpers were tough as nails! All I see is tears. Is your right to be a complete asshole to other human beings being violated? Boo hoo. Cry me a river. What this boils down to is possible fines being imposed for bullying & hatred. Which I am in full support of. It has zero to do with anyone's freedom being taken away. You're still free to be a bully.

Thanks. Goodnight.

Consequences from what you say is a separate issue than liming what you can say. You can't seem to differentiate between the two, which makes me think you support violating the constitution by outlawing free speech.

Other than @monkeyman4412 no one else in this thread is trying to justify NYC's action by claiming that the law isn't actually limiting free speech. Your position is invalid. I completely realize that saying something comes with consequences, but the constitution guarantees us the right to say whatever we want without Government interference and then face the consequences (this doesn't include making laws outlawing speech, that "consequence" is not an option).

Did you ever ask yourself "what is free speech", "why is it important" or "why it's the first fucking amendment". Well, if you're a Liberal you'd hate the Constitution so I could understand your stance on the fucking rights that give you the right to discuss your opposing view online with me. In China they'd just arrest the owners of this site and throw you in jail for the rest of your life for stating your dislike the President. But, fuck, we don't need no pesky Constitution. Dude, Liberals are sick. They need to seek help.

Any phrase in existence can be used to provoke someone, as fighting words or in a hateful manner. I do not support limiting free speech. It seems you do so. There's a lot of pure Liberals on this board. I think you'l fall first victim to my God given right to add you to my ignore list.

I hope you choke on your hate.

 

[bodefuceta]

I just realized I can contact the ICE myself, and am not subject to any US law. If you want to denounce an illegal alien, I'll be happy to convey the message. Like seriously, stop discussing with liberal crackpots and let's do real work. Only with evidence please, before some liberal tries to troll the system. I won't need your personal information.

 

[billapong]

I just realized I can contact the ICE myself, and am not subject to any US law. If you want to denounce an illegal alien, I'll be happy to convey the message. Like seriously, stop discussing with liberal crackpots and let's do real work. Only with evidence please, before some liberal tries to troll the system. I won't need your personal information.

NYC didn't make actually calling ICE Illegal, just saying you're going to. It's like arresting you for threatening to call the cops on someone who just raped your children.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

bodfuceta:"hello, yes billapong at gbatemp told me xxyy is an Illegal"
*click*
bodefuceta:"hello? Hello? but! but! Bolsonaro!

Seriously dude i dont think it would go as youd think it would, but nice grandstanding as well.

 

[Deleted User]

Consequences from what you say is a separate issue than liming what you can say. You can't seem to differentiate between the two, which makes me think you support violating the constitution by outlawing free speech.

Other than @monkeyman4412 no one else in this thread is trying to justify NYC's action by claiming that the law isn't actually limiting free speech. Your position is invalid. I completely realize that saying something comes with consequences, but the constitution guarantees us the right to say whatever we want without Government interference and then face the consequences (this doesn't include making laws outlawing speech, that "consequence" is not an option).

Any phrase in existence can be used to provoke someone, as fighting words or in a hateful manner. I do not support limiting free speech. It seems you do so. There's a lot of pure Liberals on this board. I think you'l fall first victim to my God given right to add you to my ignore list.

I hope you choke on your hate.

Talk about malicious much, so you wish me dead... Very insightful. Here you go again bashing on liberals, and claiming I'm pure. Meanwhile here I stand, abstaining from bashing the other party. So if you call 911 over and over again and it's not a emergency, you shouldn't be in trouble? Does that mean that with free speech I can go swat people freely on stream and expect no consequences? To expect no consequences? So if I go make false allegations on someone, and then get sued because they were false I shouldn't be prosecuted? Free speech has consequence, no where in free speech does it speak about that.

 

[bodefuceta]

bodfuceta:"hello, yes billapong at gbatemp told me xxyy is an Illegal"
*click*
bodefuceta:"hello? Hello? but! but! Bolsonaro!

Seriously dude i dont think it would go as youd think it would, but nice grandstanding as well.

https://www.wikihow.com/Report-Illegal-Immigrants-Anonymously#Reporting-Online_sub

Good job, sucker. Nice racism you got there! My english is probably better than yours.

 

[billapong]

Talk about malicious much, so you wish me dead... Very insightful. Here you go again bashing on liberals, and claiming I'm pure. Meanwhile here I stand, abstaining from bashing the other party. So if you call 911 over and over again and it's not a emergency, you shouldn't be in trouble? Does that mean that with free speech I can go swat people freely on stream and expect no consequences? To expect no consequences? So if I go make false allegations on someone, and then get sued because they were false I shouldn't be prosecuted? Free speech has consequence, no where in free speech does it speak about that.

I mentioned you in the thread. I want the other dude to choke on his hate (it's not a literal thing). I also don't lie any deny that I hate things and hide behind some fake face. I openly admit I fucking hate Liberals. At least I'm honest.

There's all sorts of language you could use when making false statements. I'm not against consequences for your actions (in this case, making false statements). I'm against limiting free speech. Do you ever realize what free speech is or why we have the 1st amendment? Do you even care?