Censoring Free Speech - New York Outlaws Common Terms

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New York City has passed a law stating you can no longer use the term "illegal align" if it's done in a manner that might upset the person you're using the term about. Specifically, if the person who you called an illegal alien thinks that you doing so is harassing them of if they feel threatened by you stating you're going to be calling ICE on them since they are an illegal alien or are in the country illegally. It's up to the victim or witnesses to interpret your use of the word. So basically, if you call someone an illegal alien, regardless if they are an actual illegal alien, and they get offended by it you could be facing a $250,000 fine.

My take: Have any of your read 1984? These thought police can go to hell. Whether or not speech is hateful is subjective. One should be able to say whatever the hell they want to say, regardless if it's offensive to someone else. Hate speech is still protected under the 1st amendment, mainly because of these sorts of fascist laws. You can't control what someone thinks. Hate is a normal human emotion that has uses and can be harnessed for good. I If anyone in New York is reading this than I state "I fucking believe all illegal immigrants should be deported. Fuck them, fuck you and if I find out any are living near me I'm calling ICE".

Jeeze. Imagine if saying you dislike Trump was illegal. That could be considered hate speech too. So could you don't like spaghetti or hate barbie games.

Well, eat this NYC ->

"See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!! "See an Illegal Alien, call ICE"!!!

$250,000 fine each instance. Come and get it.

Edit: For clarification purposes, this law effects New York City and not the entire State of New York.
 
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do you even live in NY or is this grandstanding?

I may or may not reside in the city, but regardless it's a general protest. Speech shouldn't be outlawed. It doesn't matter if you don't like what I have to say or it hurts your feelings. Simply saying "orange man bad" is very offensive to some people. Do you think that the Government should have the right to fine someone a quarter of a million dollars for simply stating a simple phrase?
 

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I may or may not reside in the city, but regardless it's a general protest. Speech shouldn't be outlawed. It doesn't matter if you don't like what I have to say or it hurts your feelings. Simply saying "orange man bad" is very offensive to some people. Do you think that the Government should have the right to fine someone a quarter of a million dollars for simply stating a simple phrase?

you are not allowed to yell "fire" at a theater. Also since recently ICE accidentally deported LEGAL CUBAN citizens to back to cuba....
I think it should be thought of twice.
Also it sounds like you do not live there. Dont worry too much about it.
 

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i for one support limiting free speech hate speech has no place in america imo thats why the other parts of the first exist freedom of religion is what i mean because hate speech often directly or indirectly leads to violence even laws like this can lead to violence though look at mlk and jfk their both dead and why because they forced change for the better even so this topic is in fact a double edged sword
 
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you are not allowed to yell "fire" at a theater. Also since recently ICE accidentally deported LEGAL CUBAN citizens to back to cuba....
I think it should be thought of twice.
Also it sounds like you do not live there. Dont worry too much about it.

i for one support limiting free speech hate speech has no place in america imo thats why the other parts of the first exist freedom of religion is what i mean because hate speech often directly or indirectly leads to violence even laws like this can lead to violence though look at mlk and jfk their both dead and why because they forced change for the better even so this topic is in fact a double edged sword

I think that any speech that shines a negative light on Trump or the Republican administration is hate speech. Since you agree that hate speech has no place in America than you must stop using what I consider to be hate speech, otherwise I'll fine you $5,000,000 per instance.
 

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I think that any speech that shines a negative light on Trump or the Republican administration is hate speech. Since you agree that hate speech has no place in America than you must stop using what I consider to be hate speech, otherwise I'll fine you $5,000,000 per instance.
except that your opinion is not law. Not even ordinance in a small city. Talk to your local government for change.
 
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except that your opinion is not law. Not even ordinance in a small city. Talk to your local government for change.

And their law is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has already ruled that what some people consider to be hate speech is still protected under the 1st amendment. If per say, any legal action does come about my Protest I will never plead guilty to anything. I'll stand up for my rights.
 

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Ironic because early you were a critic of the classic "orange man bad" now you are resorting to "orange man critic, bad" pick one brother.

I'm providing examples of how ridiculous trying to outlaw what some people consider to be hateful. Each major side has different definitions. Personally, I think orange man doing better than I expected, but wouldn't want to be orange man's friend.

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At least I'd go to jail knowing I wasn't a piece of shit.

Okay, see you there.
 

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And their law is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has already ruled that what some people consider to be hate speech is still protected under the 1st amendment. If per say, any legal action does come about my Protest I will never plead guilty to anything. I'll stand up for my rights.

So if that is the case, what are you protesting?
according to you, you got your way, why are you sore winning?
Do you just want to be offended because a local city passed an ordinance that doesnt go with your world view? (even if according to you it got declared unconstitutional?)
I dont agree with stupid laws in some states but rarely make forum posts to decry them and seek tacit agreement.
 
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So if that is the case, what are you protesting?
Do you just want to be offended because a local city passed an ordinance that doesnt go with your world view? (even if according to you it got declared unconstitutional?)
I dont agree with stupid laws in some states but rarely make forum posts to decry them and seek tacit agreement.

I'm protesting limiting speech or outlawing speech. If this law was coming from Texas and was outlawing Liberals saying they hate Trump I would still have the same reaction.
 
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but it didnt get limited, you just said it got determined to be unconstitutional.
protesting on something you already won, is odd to me.
unless you just meant unconstitutional in your non-legal expert opinion?
 
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but it didnt get limited, you just said it got determined to be unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court ruled that Hate Speech is protected under our Constitution and this law is clearly against the constitution. However, it's a new law that needs to be gotten rid of as soon as possible. It's something a court needs to tackle and ASAP. Laws like this shouldn't exist.
 

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The Supreme Court ruled that Hate Speech is protected under our Constitution and this law is clearly against the constitution. However, it's a new law that needs to be gotten rid of as soon as possible. It's something a court needs to tackle and ASAP. Laws like this shouldn't exist.
Then it would need to be determined in court if what you are saying holds up. You are also saying in a non-legal expert opinion id assume. You just tried to pass your opinion as fact earlier, be careful, thats terrible form when debating.

Yeah, we live in fucking clown world, what else is new? For fucks sake unless I'm threatening to kill you it should be legal. I remember when I was younger when someone got triggered they were told it was a free country but now we can't have that.
except that telling people that you will call ice on them can be seen as a threat, and much more so if these people are LEGAL citizens. I would be really pissed off i were bothered by them because some ass clown filed a false report on me.

This could be the same as swatting. Sending authorities after someone based on a report should be cause for corroboration.
 
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Then it would need to be determined in court if what you are saying holds up. You are also saying in a non-legal expert opinion id assume. You just tried to pass your opinion as fact earlier, be careful, thats terrible form when debating.

Then you misinterpreted what I was saying (or I worded it poorly), which is why I wondered why I was even clarifying it to begin with. The law is brand new and needs to be erased from the books before any other cities get the same idea.
 
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