Censoring Free Speech - New York Outlaws Common Terms

[Hanafuda]

Congratulations for not reading the posts afterwards.

You mean this post afterwards, where you say the same thing for the second time?

oh you certainly can. I am just pointing out the fact that everybody in this country is a foreigner (outside of Native Americans). Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from scrutiny.

Also bares repeating: this is NYC not the state of NY

Anyway, I'm just pointing out that's bullshit. If you're born within the borders of the United States, you're a citizen of the United States. Being a "Native American" doesn't make a person a "more" American. And if you weren't born within the borders of the USA and you're not a naturalized citizen, you shouldn't be here unless you've got a current visa. It's pretty simple.

Tell that to the dreamers. There is a bunch of A**holes that keep telling them to go home. Even though they dont know any other place than this one as their home. Many do not speak any other language other than english through no fault of their own. As i said earlier I used that statement to point out the actual intent of the poster I was replying to. Nothing more nothing less.
Also read Notimp's posts on what the law is actually meant to do.

It's their parents' fault, for bringing them illegally to a foreign country. They are victims of their parent's crime. It may be no fault of their own, but it's not my fault (or other Americans) either. You want to help a "dreamer" become a citizen? Hire an immigration lawyer for them, and offer to be their green card sponsor. That means you'll be financially liable if they go on any kind of public assistance.

It says derogatory use, pretty sure this is if you call a legal mexican american an illegal alien, I find nothing wrong with that, and who the fuck thinks the correct term to call someone is "illegal alien"....

The U.S. Code.

And Genesis.

 

[Viri]

I should get into better shape and try and join ICE. I pretty much pass all the other requirements. I wonder how the pay is.

 

[morvoran]

I should get into better shape and try and join ICE. I pretty much pass all the other requirements. I wonder how the pay is.

They start out at around $29,000 with overtime/bonus - $41,000. That's not a lot for the stress they deal with from Dems/liberals hating on them. You will have to really love this country to protect our borders for so little compensation and get a lot of hate just for enforcing our laws.

 

[billapong]

ROFLMAO

I stand by my statement that there's nothing wrong with basic human emotions. Hate can be harnesses and channeled for good. You see this with Liberals who hate Trump that are then motivated to go about doing constructive things to make change. Although, if you let hate consume you and act foolish because of that, then that's a personal problem. You can't stop hate no more than you can stop love and without hate you wouldn't have love. You can't regulate or outlaw emotions. Well, you could try or even do so, but then everyone would be guilty of "feeling".

 

[yuyuyup]

I stand by my statement that there's nothing wrong with basic human emotions. Hate can be harnesses and channeled for good. You see this with Liberals who hate Trump that are then motivated to go about doing constructive things to make change. Although, if you let hate consume you and act foolish because of that, then that's a personal problem. You can't stop hate no more than you can stop love and without hate you wouldn't have love. You can't regulate or outlaw emotions. Well, you could try or even do so, but then everyone would be guilty of "feeling".

What the heck does that have to do with Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire ROFLMAO

 

[bodefuceta]

Literally unless you are Native American everyone in this country is a foreigner or descends from one. Come on dude.

Also its NYC not the state of NY. please disseminate the information presented to you folks.

This is incredibly misleading. It's 100% clear that homo sapiens did not originate in the American continent. "Native" americans are no different than "caucasians" who were born in america in terms of nativity, they just have a longer succession line in here. Actually if you consider the Toba Catastrophe, there's probably only one very small region in the whole planet where humans can be called truly "native" in that sense.. Actually there isn't, if the Toba survivors weren't from humanity's birthplace.

 

[billapong]

The fact people liked my post who I was referring to being a moron, or implying, just really shows they can't read into a argument. How sad.

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And see here we go again, not reading into things. Why do they come illegally? Is there anything at all that is factual that we know right now, that is causing them to come to the state illegally? People don't move without reason. People don't break the law without reason. (source please as part of your defense. And if you're going to talk about a law, link the actual law. And also yes I do know, but I want to see what you know.) As you love 1984 so much, I recommend you read Parable of the Sower by Octavia E. Butler. Because that book actually might just give some insight.

I liked your post because you made a valid point. Am I not allowed to like something even if you're criticizing or disagreeing with me? I'm not the type of person to get all butt hurt because someone simply disagrees with me. I value opposing points of view. I'm not closed off in some safe space. I can deal with shit.

As for the illegals, a lot of them come across illegally with no intention of following the laws and simply leeching off of society. Hell, one single person doing that is more than should be, let alone hundreds of thousands. Not every single illegal immigrant does this, but there's enough doing so that it's a problem. The fact that the first thing they do is commit a crime when they come into the country should speak loudly about their intentions.

If I'm expected to follow some law that says I can't simply state a simple phrase then people who are breaking into our country should also be held accountable for their actions. If you want to compare the severity of the crimes then costing taxpayers billions of dollars has a much harsher impact on society then simply saying a couple of words.

There's plenty of great things that immigrants bring our country, but they need to do it legally. Get in line just like everyone else and wait your turn. I've got no problem with immigrants as our county has been built by them, but if I'm expected to follow the law than I think other people should too.

 

[Viri]

They start out at around $29,000 with overtime/bonus - $41,000. That's not a lot for the stress they deal with from Dems/liberals hating on them. You will have to really love this country to protect our borders for so little compensation and get a lot of hate just for enforcing our laws.

Oh, I thought it'd be higher. It's crazy how the tough and scary jobs pay like shit. People who work in an Ambulance also make like 10 to 11 dollars an hour. My friend's dad owns an Ambulance company, and his son works for one. The pay is fucking awful for what he has to go through with.

 

[Foxi4]

you are not allowed to yell "fire" at a theater.

That's not actually true. It's a commonly misused metaphor which originates from Justice Holmes' opinion regarding Schenck v. United States. The decision has since been partially overturned in Brandenbur v. Ohio, the actual legal standard only concerns speech which is "directed to and can likely cause immediate lawless action". For instance, inciting a riot is a form of illegal speech. Calling law enforcement if you suspect a crime has been committed, be it federal or state, is not and should not be illegal. The actual concept of "shouting fire" was never binding law in any shape or form, what's actually illegal in such a case is deliberately causing a panic, on the same grounds as a false bomb threat would've been.

 

[billapong]

What the heck does that have to do with Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire ROFLMAO

It applies because the intentions of these sorts of laws and controlling speech is a form of thought control. Outlawing emotions isn't far behind, especially considering they are what are fueling your thoughts. I'll hate whomever or whatever I want to hate. I wasn't aware of this particular law, but now that I am I also think it's horse shit.

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Oh, I thought it'd be higher. It's crazy how the tough and scary jobs pay like shit. People who work in an Ambulance also make like 10 to 11 dollars an hour. My friend's dad owns an Ambulance company, and his son works for one. The pay is fucking awful for what he has to go through with.

My brother was in the army and is now a paramedic. He does it because he decided he wanted to help protect our country and the people in it. If money was his motivation he wouldn't be doing what he's doing. It's not like he decided to become a politician.

 

[Viri]

My brother was in the army and is now a paramedic. He does it because he decided he wanted to help protect our country and the people in it. If money was his motivation he wouldn't be doing what he's doing. It's not like he decided to become a politician.

I still think they deserve better pay for what they do. And yeah, I can understand wanting to work in the medical field, because you wanna help people, and save lives.

 

[Ericthegreat]

If they try to rape you, they can say they are trans and you are transphobic which makes them the victim. You end up being the one going to jail for a hate crime while they continue living free in your home with your stuff.

You are a strange sad little man.

Also no, the the 119 billion isn't that much, much more just "disappears" every year.

 

[billapong]

I still think they deserve better pay for what they do. And yeah, I can understand wanting to work in the medical field, because you wanna help people, and save lives.

Money isn't everything in life and most people that simply seek fortune are some of the most miserable people alive. I've met some pretty awesome people that live in poverty. They don't own smart phones, they don't have Nike shoes, they cook their own food, they watch broadcast television, they use public transportation and overall they enjoy life.

I agree that making less than $11,000 a year would be hard to do, but being paid what ICE pays would be more than enough to live comfortably. Regardless, if your motivation is to help others you aren't going to be putting emphasis on your own person living conditions. Think about the soldiers who spend half of their lives in some foreign shit hole so spineless Liberals can bitch about how much they hate them.

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You are a strange sad little man.

Also no, the the 119 billion isn't that much, much more just "disappears" every year.

Well, if that's the case I want you to send me your money. All of it, right fucking now, because I'm sure you don't have 119 billion, so what you have isn't much. If you don't you're just suffering from westernunionphobia and I'm going to report you to the local authorities.

 

[morvoran]

You are a strange sad little man.

I may be strange and a man, but there is nothing sad or little about me, son. Oh, and send me some of that money that you're going to give billapong, also, since it's not too much money.

 

[billapong]

I may be strange and a man, but there is nothing sad or little about me, son. Oh, and send me some of that money that you're going to give billapong, also, since it's not too much money.

Do you notice how Liberals will hate on you all day long, including calling you names, but then if you upset them they need a safe space and will hit the "report" button? Surely it shows how sad and little they are. I declare since Liberals are fueled by hatred we outlaw Liberals.

 

[yuyuyup]

I wasn't aware of this particular law

Why did you even create this thread if you didn't understand actual laws regarding illegal speech, what's the point ROFLMAO If you're gonna make the argument that "hate can be channeled for good," why make that argument in the context of THIS thread? In the context of THIS thread, it sounds like you are specifically saying that hatred against Latinos/Hispanics/immigrants should be harnessed and channeled for "good" ("good" obviously by your own bizarre interpretation.) I'm gonna lay out a Sesame Street-level talking point that even Elmo can understand so try to keep up: We shouldn't hate people based on their race.

 

[Ericthegreat]

Well, if that's the case I want you to send me your money. All of it, right fucking now, because I'm sure you don't have 119 billion, so what you have isn't much. If you don't you're just donationphobic.

I may be strange and a man, but there is nothing sad or little about me, son. Oh, and send me some of that money that you're going to give billapong, also, since it's not too much money.

And how does that 119 billion affect your lives directly? That's not really that much compared to other national expenses, it perhaps raises your taxes a few cents to a couple dollars? So in what way do they affect your life personally?

 

[morvoran]

Do you notice how Liberals will hate on you all day long, including calling you names, but then if you upset them they need a safe space and will hit the "report" button? Surely how's how sad and little they are.

Oh, yes, since the day I started debating people here in a thread where all the liberals were putting down our great President Trump. No evidence to back themselves up, no facts or truths. Just hate, discord, emotions, and opinions from them. I even had one person, who hinted at beheading our president, start crying to the mods in the thread that I was showing hate and the things I said were reprehensible. They thought I should have been censored and banned from the site for sharing my opinions when they were inciting violence against an elected official.

I'm used to it by now and just ignore the hatefully insane folks and their hate/rhetoric. I collect all the leftist tears at the end of the day in a barrel (had to upgrade from my 30oz thermos as there are oh so many leftist tears here) and drink my fill to keep me invigorated.

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And how does that 119 billion affect your lives directly? That's not really that much compared to other national expenses, it perhaps raises your taxes a few cents to a couple dollars? So in what way do they affect your life personally?

Oh, that could be used to house the homeless, give hungry kids food, clean up trash piles in liberal ran cities, and 119 billion other ways than to give it to people who aren't even citizens of this country.
Anything else????

 

[billapong]

Why did you even create this thread if you didn't understand actual laws regarding illegal speech, what's the point ROFLMAO If you're gonna make the argument that "hate can be channeled for good," why make that argument in the context of THIS thread? In the context of THIS thread, it sounds like you are specifically saying that hatred against Latinos/Hispanics/immigrants should be harnessed and channeled for "good" ("good" obviously by your own bizarre interpretation.) I'm gonna lay out a Sesame Street-level talking point that even Elmo can understand so try to keep up: We shouldn't hate people based on their race.

I don't hate Latinos/Hispanics/immigrants, but I think all illegal aliens should be kicked out the country and get sent back to where they came from (and unlike Trump, I don't want them to return afterwards). I'm also not racist. I don't care what color your skin is. If you're here illegally get the hell out.

Actually, I'm particularly fond of people from Lebanon (bias, because of past relationships). The last time checked Lebanon isn't located in the USA and their native residents aren't white (not like skin color matters to me, but Liberals seem to focus on it).

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Oh, yes, since the day I started debating people here in a thread where all the liberals were putting down our great President Trump. No evidence to back themselves up, no facts or truths. Just hate, discord, emotions, and opinions from them. I even had one person, who hinted at beheading our president, start crying to the mods in the thread that I was showing hate and the things I said were reprehensible. They thought I should have been censored and banned from the site for sharing my opinions when they were inciting violence against an elected official.

I'm used to it by now and just ignore the hatefully insane folks and their hate/rhetoric. I collect all the leftist tears at the end of the day in a barrel (had to upgrade from my 30oz thermos as there are oh so many leftist tears here) and drink my fill to keep me invigorated.

Their hatred is totally acceptable. When they use words that are fueled by hate that are meant to incite violence it's perfectly okay. It's like Hate Speech. They pick a bunch of words they personally dislike and regardless if actual hatred is involved they outlaw the words. If Republicans were as dirty and fiendish as they were it would be illegal to hate on the Christian minority, White people or people in heterosexual relationships. Republicans realize that outlawing speech is a pathway to hell (figuratively and literally). Liberal hate speech isn't actual hate speech, it's just a bunch of words they don't like.

Every time a Liberal is outraged I smile. That's my daily fix.

 

[morvoran]

here comes the libturd

That was the only true statement in your entire post.

Maybe you should read past the part that only fits your agenda -

In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul (1992), the Court overturned a statute prohibiting speech or symbolic expression that "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender" on the grounds that, even if the specific statute was limited to fighting words, it was unconstitutionally content-based and viewpoint-based because of the limitation to race-/religion-/sex-based fighting words. The Court, however, made it repeatedly clear that the City could have pursued "any number" of other avenues, and reaffirmed the notion that "fighting words" could be properly regulated by municipal or state governments.

In Snyder v. Phelps (2011), dissenting Justice Samuel Alito likened the protests of the Westboro Baptist Church members to fighting words and of a personal character, and thus not protected speech. The majority disagreed and stated that the protesters' speech was not personal but public, and that local laws which can shield funeral attendees from protesters are adequate for protecting those in times of emotional distress.

Just FYI of an example of something that is illegal, when a father touches their kids in a sick and disgusting manner, even if the kid enjoys it, is illegal and the parent should be arrested and punished. Maybe you can look up the statutes for this.

Their hatred is totally acceptable. When they use words that are fueled by hate that are meant to incite violence it's perfectly okay. It's like Hate Speech. They pick a bunch of words they personally dislike and regardless if actual hatred is involved they outlaw the words. If Republicans were are dirty and fiendish as they were it would be illegal to hate on the Christian minority, White people or people in heterosexual relationships. Republicans realize that outlawing speech is a pathway to hell (figuratively and literally). Liberal hate speech isn't actual hate speech, it's just a bunch of words they don't like.

Of course, it's fine since the main stream media is all liberal (even Fox News is becoming liberal more and more each day), and the news can just post hate towards the right while praising everything on the left. The liberals will just soak it all up and keep believing the lies and propaganda like the sheeple they are.

It's just like that Ukraine Call with Trump, no "quid pro quo", no forcing them to dig up dirt on Biden, nothing wrong in that call, but Trump must be impeached. Oh, but Biden admits on video to forcing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor or he would withhold millions until it happened, "Everything is fine, nothing to see here". Adam Schiff lied on live TV and in front of a congressional hearing about the transcript of the call by making up his own story, "oh, it was a parody, just him having fun. No problems." If Trump did any of this, he would be impeached the next day.

Just like this topic, if the left doesn't like something the right is doing, they just make up new laws/rules to move to goal post to fit their agendas/rhetoric.

I can't wait until 2021 after we vote all these disgraces out of the capital and get back to business of making this country greater than ever before without all the "impeachment" democrats holding us back.