# Nintendo appears to have mistakenly used a fan-made render of Mario on the Super Nintendo World site



## DKB (Jan 7, 2021)

Damn, if I was him I'd be hype.


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## Ericzander (Jan 7, 2021)

At least he's not trying to sue over it.


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## MikaDubbz (Jan 7, 2021)

So the difference is brighter eyes and shinier overall buckles?  Seems feasible that Nintendo has such a render themselves and it's just incredibly similar to the fan render given that it's based on a real render to begin with.  Of course it could be that whoever put together the website did take the render from online, but that's hard for me to believe, surely Nintendo has hundreds of different official Mario renders to use for building such websites.


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## Goku1992A (Jan 7, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> At least he's not trying to sue over it.



I don't think he can sue Nintendo owns Mario. It's really tricky but they should have alteast paid him for it or credited him


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## RobXcore (Jan 7, 2021)

DKB said:


> Damn, if I was him I'd be hype.



Yeah but they at least should cut him in on profits.


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## Ericzander (Jan 7, 2021)

Goku1992A said:


> I don't think he can sue Nintendo owns Mario. It's really tricky but they should have alteast paid him for it or credited him


It was almost certainly an honest mistake. I'm just looking at the tweet and so many people are advocating that he sue which I think is a ridiculous proposition.


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## Bladexdsl (Jan 7, 2021)

so nintendo are allowed to steal other peoples work but when it happens to them they bring out the DMCA hammer..


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## ShadowOne333 (Jan 7, 2021)

Sue their asses.
DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.
It seems Nintendo just doesn't like to shut down fan games, but they're going after fan art now AND claiming it as their own.

If that doesn't make you stop supporting Nintendo, I don't know what will.


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## Deleted User (Jan 7, 2021)

texture on the M really helps see it


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## RobXcore (Jan 7, 2021)

ShadowOne333 said:


> Sue their asses.
> DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.
> It seems Nintendo just doesn't like to shut down fan games, but they're going after fan art now AND claiming it as their own.
> 
> If that doesn't make you stop supporting Nintendo, I don't know what will.



This is exactly why people hack and leak their content on the internet.


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## AmandaRose (Jan 7, 2021)

Bladexdsl said:


> so nintendo are allowed to steal other peoples work but when it happens to them they bring out the DMCA hammer..


Do we have any proof that the site was made by Nintendo? As Super Nintendo World is in Universal Studios Japan it's quite possible that it was Universal Studios that created the website and used the fan made Mario picture.


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## Ericzander (Jan 7, 2021)

ShadowOne333 said:


> Sue their asses.
> DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.


Ah, that didn't take long. Let's see how far that would go before getting thrown out.

Another thing for the angry mob to consider is that it's even more likely that some programmer at Universal was behind the mix-up and that Nintendo proper wasn't even involved.

In other news, I'm going to make an almost identical image of tempy and then sue Costello if he accidently uses it on the site.


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## Chary (Jan 7, 2021)

MikaDubbz said:


> So the difference is brighter eyes and shinier overall buckles?


The slightly tanner than normal skin tone and thinner M on the hat also match the fanart, though they're not as blatant as those two details. Otherwise I'd also be inclined to think it's just a coincidence.


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## The Real Jdbye (Jan 7, 2021)

Actually, it does belong to Nintendo. By definition it's a derivative work, and therefore the person who made it has no rights to it.


ShadowOne333 said:


> Sue their asses.
> DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.
> It seems Nintendo just doesn't like to shut down fan games, but they're going after fan art now AND claiming it as their own.
> 
> If that doesn't make you stop supporting Nintendo, I don't know what will.


Sue Nintendo over Nintendo IP? That wouldn't work


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## PabloMK7 (Jan 7, 2021)

Here is the direct link to the image for better comparation:
https://super-nintendo-world.usj.co.../images/common/preloadercircle_icon_about.png


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## RyRyIV (Jan 7, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> Ah, that didn't take long. Let's see how far that would go before getting thrown out.
> 
> Another thing for the angry mob to consider is that it's even more likely that some programmer at Universal was behind the mix-up and that Nintendo proper wasn't even involved.
> 
> In other news, I'm going to make an almost identical image of tempy and then sue Costello if he accidently uses it on the site.


Pfft, okay Mr. Woke. Go ahead and act like you know the law, armchair lawyer


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## SaberLilly (Jan 7, 2021)

Oh well, i'm sure it was just a simple mistake or miscommunication with no ill intentions.


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## Ericzander (Jan 7, 2021)

RyRyIV said:


> Pfft, okay Mr. Woke. Go ahead and act like you know the law, armchair lawyer


Oh, I see that you're using that signature that I custom made for you that I templated from several different sources but that I want to claim is my own intellectual property. Buckle up buddy cuz I'm about to sue you into next week! 

But to go back to the topic, I think that the image that they used does look ever so slightly better than the official render. I wonder how long it'll take to get changed.


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## FAST6191 (Jan 7, 2021)

Heh
Even small local restaurants have been known to have it together enough to send me a pack of logos, colour and font schemas for whatever they want me to do.


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## ZeroFX (Jan 7, 2021)

That's just the web designer googleing mario and put it there, in the end is their property so, whatever.


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## Teletron1 (Jan 7, 2021)

Where is their water mark ? Normally you hide it in a pixel


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## Deleted member 331788 (Jan 7, 2021)

ShadowOne333 said:


> Sue their asses.
> DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.
> It seems Nintendo just doesn't like to shut down fan games, but they're going after fan art now AND claiming it as their own.
> 
> If that doesn't make you stop supporting Nintendo, I don't know what will.



Mario is the IP of Nintendo ...you should not copy copyright material in the first place.




RobXcore said:


> This is exactly why people hack and leak their content on the internet.



No, it's really not ...people are just arses and like to brag for attention!


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## Clydefrosch (Jan 7, 2021)

Like nintendo builds their own websites.
They hire people for that. People who take shortcuts.
Happens all the time


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## Pipistrele (Jan 7, 2021)

ShadowOne333 said:


> Sue their asses.
> DMCA or C&D or whatever the fuck the original creator wants to do, but they really need to be put in place.
> It seems Nintendo just doesn't like to shut down fan games, but they're going after fan art now AND claiming it as their own.
> 
> If that doesn't make you stop supporting Nintendo, I don't know what will.


I was about to ironically propose this for a quick laugh, but it seems I was beaten to the punch


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## pedro702 (Jan 7, 2021)

Bladexdsl said:


> so nintendo are allowed to steal other peoples work but when it happens to them they bring out the DMCA hammer..


they have the rights to the character, how can you sue nintendo for illegaly using one of their characters that they own? lol how does that make any sense?

he doesnt have legal grounds to sue since he doesnt own anything about that picture and cant own it since nintendo never allowed him to use it  lol


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## Silent_Gunner (Jan 7, 2021)

The iron of my sides...!


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## Lightyose (Jan 7, 2021)

How the turns have tabled.


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## CeeDee (Jan 7, 2021)

_Nintendo Bad_ and all, yes I get it, but... this is a Universal Studios site. You'd think they made the page, and not Nintendo.


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## frankGT (Jan 7, 2021)

Made it easier to compare...






You can spot differences EVERYWHERE, clearly uJidow's work.


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## Cubuss (Jan 7, 2021)

Sue nintendo EZ money


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## james50a (Jan 7, 2021)

given how nintendo treats community projects id say its only fair for them to recive the painfull end of the stick for once.


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## frankGT (Jan 7, 2021)

Cubuss said:


> Sue nintendo EZ money



I don't think its that easy when you where the one using the other one's IP in the first place.


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## Deleted User (Jan 7, 2021)

It's still Nintendo's property, anyway.


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## Jayro (Jan 7, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> It was almost certainly an honest mistake. I'm just looking at the tweet and so many people are advocating that he sue which I think is a ridiculous proposition.


There is no "honest mistake" here. What person at Nintendo would go out to google for a Mario render, when they have an internal stockpile at their ready? It makes no sense why they would do this. Honest mistake my ass...


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## diggeloid (Jan 7, 2021)

It looks like the official mario only has 4 fingers while the fan-made mario has 5. Which is real?!


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## EmanueleBGN (Jan 7, 2021)

Any right to use the image of Mario is property of Nintendo; so any images, even fan-made creations, of him are Nintendo's


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## FAST6191 (Jan 7, 2021)

Re "their property".
They might have the rights to the character, and that could make things fun if the artist tried to sell things/prints/tshirts with it on, but it does not entitle them to the work of others.

Would the hypothetical company that makes the crisps (and almost certainly had trademarks on the logo, and possibly some rights to the colour scheme and general design) be able to spin off several of those just for fun or use that for their latest advert without permissions? What then is any different here?



Jayro said:


> There is no "honest mistake" here. What person at Nintendo would go out to google for a Mario render, when they have an internal stockpile at their ready? It makes no sense why they would do this. Honest mistake my ass...


While I don't disagree that they should have some nice repository of prebaked images, renders, models and whatnot along with fonts, colour schemes and whatever else for their staff to access if it is like many companies (especially if they got on board with the idea in the late 90s/early 2000s and it is now a legacy monster) then the internal system is probably a right nightmare to log into, use and deal with. If indeed it was also some external company, possibly farmed out to some intern even then, then I can see taking a shortcut being a thing that happened.


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## bobmcjr (Jan 8, 2021)

Yes, Nintendo is not entitled to the derivative work of others, even if it contains their property. Unauthorized derivative works just kind of sit in limbo, where neither party has the rights to do anything with the work.


If Nintendo weren't such an ass about intellectual property, most of us (myself included) would probably let it slide as an honest mistake and move on. But of course, they're arguably Worse Than Disney™ at this point, so Nintendo absolutely deserves to be nitpicked and heckled to the maximum extent possible over any and every IP infringement they and any of their subsidiaries and contractors commit, no matter how minor.


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## guisadop (Jan 8, 2021)

I only have one word: huehuehuehuehuehuehue.


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## gamesquest1 (Jan 8, 2021)

see this is why Nintendo has no choice but to DMCA everyone who uses their characters without permission if nobody made any fan art or fan projects they would never be accidentally used by Nintendo themselves /s


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## LeyendaV (Jan 8, 2021)

How is it called when you used something made by someone else who made it with something made by you?


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## xdarkx (Jan 8, 2021)

I'm genuinely curious on how the judge will rule if that person did sue (not saying they should try).


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## Deleted member 532471 (Jan 8, 2021)

Nintendo admits the sterile Mario renders they use are bad


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## diggeloid (Jan 8, 2021)

ZeroFX said:


> That's just the web designer googleing mario and put it there, in the end is their property so, whatever.



Not true. Mario is their IP, but this render is not their property.


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## slaphappygamer (Jan 8, 2021)

The shinier the brass, the higher the class. 
Also, what does Nintendo have against armpits?


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## the_randomizer (Jan 8, 2021)

Someone at Nintendo's a little shitbrained


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## Zonark (Jan 8, 2021)

That guys like “imma sue them”
Nintendo “Come at Me Bro”

or

Nintendo “My IP My Mario”

if I was that guy I’d shut my mouth haha


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## FAST6191 (Jan 8, 2021)

xdarkx said:


> I'm genuinely curious on how the judge will rule if that person did sue (not saying they should try).


As mentioned elsewhere the artist still has some moral and legal rights to it, even if the character concerned is not their work or otherwise authorised.

If the fan render reaches the level of copyrightable work (the threshold for it varies a bit and is surprisingly high in some cases, https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2019/11/...ginality-dentist-photographer-case/id=115873/ , but seems within reason for this) then Nintendo (or possibly their agents depending upon contracts and who might be said to have the final say) would be the one that erred in using art they don't have rights to.

What damages or compensation could or would be awarded is a different matter. I doubt this render has any kind of copyright applied for which means the bigger stuff is probably off the table, and might also preclude some of the statutory stuff (depending upon the setup there can be an immediate fine/penalty). Likewise the author would also struggle to have monetised it in a meaningful way so depriving them of any sales gets a bit nebulous. Equally using in advertising is not like Nintendo stuck it on a tshirt/poster/postcard/... and sold it themselves. It does not excuse things but does also mean damages are less in scope than what might have otherwise been.
Nintendo would probably also turn around and try to bury the artist -- as others mentioned this would be some flavour of derived work. For a pretty good rundown of something like what might happen then pepe the frog vs infowars for some of the aspects and avenues there where they tried to strip copyright, and mined interviews/quotes from the artist, and whatever else.
If Nintendo (or their authorised agents) could be proven to have known and there were some nice emails dug up saying "let's just use this kid's picture and call it a day" that might change some things.


But yeah in the end even if the artist had a rich uncle to fund the case there would be nothing really in it. It is mainly just some egg on Nintendo's face we get to point and laugh at.
I should also note it is not the first time this sort of thing has happened
https://www.engadget.com/2008-04-20-what-the-did-ign-sneak-onto-my-okami-boxart.html
https://photoshopd.blogspot.com/2008/03/imagine-babies-whats-watermark.html


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## DarkCoffe64 (Jan 8, 2021)

gamesquest1 said:


> see this is why Nintendo has no choice but to DMCA everyone who uses their characters without permission if nobody made any fan art or fan projects they would never be accidentally used by Nintendo themselves /s


I was gonna say something like this. Watch them make a case on how fan anything is bad 'cus "it hurts their image" and use this mistake as evidence.
Lmao, wouldn't be surprised if they actually did it.


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## Pippin666 (Jan 8, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> At least he's not trying to sue over it.


Why would he sue Nintendo ? The guy doesn't own Mario copyright.

Pip'


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## Ericzander (Jan 8, 2021)

Pippin666 said:


> Why would he sue Nintendo ? The guy doesn't own Mario copyright.
> 
> Pip'


That's my point.


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## AkiraKurusu (Jan 8, 2021)

...HOW'd this happen? Wouldn't Ninty already have decades of Mario renders they could've used? Why "accidentally" knick a fan's version?


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## Benja81 (Jan 8, 2021)

Hold on. #We Are Mario!!
Using a fan made Mario.
Very ironic "mistake" if you think about it.


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## chrisrlink (Jan 8, 2021)

AkiraKurusu said:


> ...HOW'd this happen? Wouldn't Ninty already have decades of Mario renders they could've used? Why "accidentally" knick a fan's version?


because they can and knows the artist doesn't have the balls to stand up nintendo ever heard of a counter lawsuit?


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## AkiraKurusu (Jan 8, 2021)

chrisrlink said:


> because they can and knows the artist doesn't have the balls to stand up nintendo ever heard of a counter lawsuit?


Thankfully, not first-hand, or even second-hand (I'd consider reading about them online to be "third-hand", if anything).
But...unfortunately, yeah, you've got a point. IGN Brazil nicked a couple videos from a smaller YouTuber, cropped out the guy's watermark (badly), and posted them on Facebook - which refused to take them down when the guy filed a DMCA against IGNorant. For another example of this shitty practice.


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## Julie_Pilgrim (Jan 8, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> In other news, I'm going to make an almost identical image of tempy and then sue Costello if he accidently uses it on the site.


But you're website staff


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## ZeroFX (Jan 8, 2021)

diggeloid said:


> Not true. Mario is their IP, but this render is not their property.


Wanna debate who's that "render" property? hehehehehehehe.
Spoiler: will end in pizza in the end, a big whatever from ninty and some fat ego slapping the keyboard.


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## TR_mahmutpek (Jan 8, 2021)

Nintendo will sue themselves for using Mario. 2021 going strong..


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## LightBeam (Jan 8, 2021)

It's not really hard to understand that while they own Mario, they don't own fan arts and fan made content. It's like saying they would be able to sell AM2R on the 3DS or on Switch if they wanted to, just doesn't work like that.

Tho it seems he doesn't know about his rights in this case, which is fair, almost everyone wouldn't and Nintendo knows it. They don't care. I doubt anything will happen even tho Nintendo clearly deserves some


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## ciaomao (Jan 8, 2021)

Do you always have to pay back the same for the same, or wouldn't it be good to just confidently demonstrate that everything doesn't have to end up in court?


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## Stwert (Jan 8, 2021)

frankGT said:


> Made it easier to compare...
> 
> 
> 
> ...




Worst game of snog, marry, avoid, ever!


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## Lostbhoy (Jan 8, 2021)

Can't wait for a rom hack to be used in the next selection of Switch Online Service games!


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## neotank19 (Jan 8, 2021)

In my lay opinion, he could sue. Not for any monetary gain, but simply to have them remove his derivative work from their website.

Of course this would cost loads of money and would in no way be worth it.

Also, a simple email might work too. And if the big N really follows scene sites, then they know and will most likely just replace it with their own work.


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## YuseiFD (Jan 8, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> At least he's not trying to sue over it.


Yes, he drew a copyrighted concept, he sure gonna sue for it kek


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## 1B51004 (Jan 8, 2021)

Personally, I'll give them the benefit of doubt. They probably needed a mario render and someone working on graphic design prolly said 'hey this looks good enough'
Still, it's either really frustrating or really inspiring to see your work mistaken for an official render
they should prolly take the fan made render on their site down and replace it soon though lol


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## FAST6191 (Jan 8, 2021)

AkiraKurusu said:


> ...HOW'd this happen? Wouldn't Ninty already have decades of Mario renders they could've used? Why "accidentally" knick a fan's version?


Just because they are a big corporation does not mean that when they contract out work, or indeed even do things in house, that you get a nice email with login creds to big and well documented/curated repo of artwork, models, usage guidelines and whatever else.

You might then have to play an international game of telephone to get access granted (don't know if you have ever had to wait for corporate to send forms, authorise work or whatever else but same idea) only to be given a gigs large zip file or FTP somewhere old and forgotten, or maybe it was good passable as an internal development tool back in 2003 when some half bright marketing/engineer/programmer type set it up and has not seen much in the way of updates since. Or if you prefer if you have ever gone to an external search engine because it is quicker and easier (or perhaps even more accurate) than the internal search then same deal.

For the graphics design peep in a rush (and they almost always are -- "don't you know there are 1000 other art school grads that would jump at the chance to do this for less money and longer hours" and also 1000 other firms that would do it cheaper and quicker) then playing with the image search is potentially a far easier option. In this case I would bet on they were likely careless or ignorant and omitted "site:nintendo.com" (or equivalent for jp and UK and wherever else -- I quite often have to get multiple up when doing banners for reviews and they often do differ considerably in their scope of content) when playing with such things, and fan art does rather populate the results when I do searches for various games (especially older franchises).

Poor form on multiple levels for it to happen. But that it happened at all... not surprised in the slightest.


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## Lostbhoy (Jan 8, 2021)

The following quote was taken from the below source which is a Law blog specialising in this type of thing. I'd say it's relevant to this.....



> 4. This should go without saying, but since someone did it, I’ll mention it. Don’t draw attention to yourself or intentionally aggravate the big boys. In 2002, artist Jeff Supon sued DC for copyright infringement of his “Black Bat” comic. In 1984, Mr. Supon sent DC some original sketches of his ideas of where he thought Batman should go next, apparently hoping to become a new artist for the company. DC never replied to Mr. Supon, and he relabeled the work “Black Bat.” In 1999, after the release of “Batman Beyond,” he brought suit for copyright infringement, claiming the new series incorporated the designs he submitted 15 years earlier. He got creamed. DC won its defence against his claim and won its counterclaim that his designs infringed their intellectual property. Bottom line, don’t wake the dragon.



https://jomosthompson.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/does-fan-art-violate-copyright/


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## TheRealNGB (Jan 8, 2021)

The thing is copyright owners also own the rights to all derivative works unless there is a contract stating otherwise, he can't be financially compensated for his fan made content without the permission of Nintendo, so he can not sue them. It's not a good look for Nintendo, and they will probably want to remove it after being called out, but that is about it, I'm not sure in what context he brought the situation to light ie. was he complaining or honored? If I assume it was in a negative way since it was brought to the public's attention before anyone in charge at Nintendo there is probably nothing good that will come from making Nintendo look bad for using there own copyrighted material.


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## Lv44ES_Burner (Jan 8, 2021)

I'm gonna hazard a take and say, Nintendo's probably going to say something along the lines of:

"What? No, we drew this render of Mario. WE own every render of Mario. Fans don't own anything. There is no such thing as fan art or fan renders of Nintendo properties. If there were, it would be from our own staff off the clock, because they know if they didn't work for us, our Ninjas would send them to the Koopa Kingdom Gulags to mine Lava until their skin boils off of their faces. LEAVE LUCK TO HEAVEN."


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## Hells Malice (Jan 8, 2021)

Who the fuck even notices shit like this


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## HarveyHouston (Jan 8, 2021)

I'd ask for a commission.  Actually, I would be honored to have my artwork stolen like that; it was obviously good enough for Nintendo!


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## nero99 (Jan 8, 2021)

Ericzander said:


> At least he's not trying to sue over it.


That person would get laughed at for trying to sue someone that owns that IP.


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## SonicRings (Jan 9, 2021)

Are the people suggesting he sue being sarcastic? I really do hope they are. There's no way you can sue Nintendo over fan art of their own content lmao


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## MochaMilk (Jan 9, 2021)

Obviously the people who made this mistake aren't digging through their own resources...


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## ClancyDaEnlightened (Jan 10, 2021)

Chary said:


> View attachment 240833​
> You might be rendered speechless after a gaffe Nintendo just made on their newly-launched Super Nintendo World website. A loading icon for the page currently features a render of Mario, however, that artwork doesn't belong to Nintendo. Twitter user uJidow claims that Nintendo mistakenly used their render of Mario--not the official one. The differences between the two are quite negligible, with uJidow's appearing to be modeled after the original. The image on the left is official and comes from New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, while the fan-made one is on the right. You can see that Nintendo is using the doppleganger Mario, as the one on the loading page has brighter eyes and shinier brass overall buckles--just like the fanart.
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> View attachment 240831 View attachment 240832​ Source





Ericzander said:


> At least he's not trying to sue over it.




Nintendo's rebuttal:










Edit-I just actually read that c&d


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## 1B51004 (Jan 13, 2021)

Also, it seems Universal made the site so technically its Universal's problem

either way its a sloppy mistake tho lol


aadz93 said:


> Nintendo's rebuttal:
> View attachment 241215
> Edit-I just actually read that c&d


is it real? It's a bit blurry so I can't see it.
Edit: nevermind, its from 2008, its just a meme lol


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## MetoMeto (Jan 14, 2021)

Its maybe his render but its their property.


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## DarkCoffe64 (Jan 14, 2021)

After seeing how shittendo has become now towards anything fanmade, I see bootlegs under a new light
lol


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