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Free Speech is Democracy's Downfall (Sean Illing) [Original Title: Free speech is essential for democracy. Could it also be democracy’s downfall?]

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Isn't it hilarious, in a very tragic way, that for all his talk about imaginary child exploitation rings and homophobic talk Fatso Jones was found with trans (not unlike someone else here on GBA temp) and child porn on his phone?
Yeah, not at all surprising.
 

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Isn't it hilarious, in a very tragic way, that for all his talk about imaginary child exploitation rings and homophobic talk Fatso Jones was found with trans (not unlike someone else here on GBA temp) and child porn on his phone?
Oh holy shit, for real? The amount of schadenfreude is making my brain melt.
 
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I don't understand why there are so many people on the right saying that leftists want to take away free speech. there are a vocal minority who want to ban words and create safe-spaces, but that's a vocal minority, most of the leftists and centrists don't want to ban any sort of speech.

I myself believe in self-policing; you say something stupid using your free speech rights, you're gonna pay for the consequences. If you're talking about Facebook (and other social media platforms) blocking posts and banning certain hot words, then that's not a free speech issue, that's a "you're using the wrong platform" issue. When you sign up for those social medias, you agree to terms of service that they put down, and they have the right to prevent you from using that platform if you're not following their rules. Also, might I remind you that many of these social media outlets service more than just the US as well, which may or may not have free speech rules. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, use a different outlet if you have problems with it. Not to mention, plenty of people on the other side of the political spectrum get banned all the time and bitch about the same issues. It doesn't matter if you're left, or right, both sides suffer from these policies.

Also, my apologies to anyone who takes issue with this term, but it's the best term to explain the group of people who actually want to remove free speech: the "warriors of social justice" are not your typical leftists. They're typically hypocritical people who want not equality, but a shift of power, and they're few and far between. Most of the time when I see someone fitting this description talk, they only want what's best for their lifestyle, and want to bitch about literally every little infraction that may be taken as a social rights issue(and then proceed to turn around and ignore their own cries). Most actual leftists I know just want to be able to live their lives without people causing them trouble. We want to keep our rights, our body autonomy, and maybe sprinkle some things in there to limit large entities destroying people's right to a pursuit of happiness.

Free speech as far as I can tell personally, isn't in jepoardy, and it likely never will be, but as always, there will always be consequences of what you say, and if you say some stupid shit, be prepared to deal with the consequences (looking at you Alex Jones).
 

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You're literally not making sense and I highly doubt you'd school a toddler, let alone me. But you seem the unhinged crazy type. Please do follow the nice men in the white coat :)
I know I can't make sense to someone like you, let me dumb it down a bit: hurr durr derpy derp herr :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
 
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Eh? We have never engaged before, and you certainly can't school anybody with your ridiculous lies

I didn't defend anybody. Man, you so need to get back to school.

Maybe you need to clean your ears then? they must be full of wax and shite.

Oh, my word, anectodes which can't be verified, how truthful.

I seriously don't remember who you are.
wow you lefties sure are all full of love and tolerance.
I specially love how I, a latino that lived in the US, must shut up and let the white kid school me on how being a latino in the US is.

Free speech is unironically not real as a concept because one person's speech will end up suppressing or even outright silencing another's, and many intend to do so with it. The idea of a big, equal world where everyone can communicate freely with one another is nothing more than a delusional pipe dream at best, and a lie pushed by people who just want to espouse far right views with no repercussions whatsoever at worst.
If freedom of speech didn't exist (like it does in certain countries that you people love so much), you would have disappeared merely for pointing out such lack of free speech.
 
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I don't understand why there are so many people on the right saying that leftists want to take away free speech. there are a vocal minority who want to ban words and create safe-spaces, but that's a vocal minority, most of the leftists and centrists don't want to ban any sort of speech.
There isn't. It's a lie peddled by the right.
 
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You cannot compare a coup attempt of a fucking government, to months worth of protests and damages. Chaz wasn't even a insurrection. They didn't try to forcefully overtake the government by threatening the election process or leaders. Jan 6th tried to do that.
If even a mild attempt at a coup is so horrible, what are we doing supporting Ukraine?

Free speech as far as I can tell personally, isn't in jepoardy, and it likely never will be, but as always, there will always be consequences of what you say, and if you say some stupid shit, be prepared to deal with the consequences (looking at you Alex Jones).
In Europe you can be thrown in jail for showing the letter Z, questioning historical facts or insulting political figures or groups of people. Free speech is an American concept which was upheld by people who wanted freedom so much (religious freedom back then) that they crossed the freaking ocean. We know that political views are partly heritable. With a changing population the politics will also change, including free speech. I´m not a free speech advocate by the way. If I was the king of the world, you damn sure would tell me how great I am every day (cf the Christian idea that Christ was extremely peaceful but one day will crush every creature who does not worship him).
 
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you say something stupid using your free speech rights, you're gonna pay for the consequences.
The problem with the right is they believe there should be no consequences, because free speech means you can say what you want & if you try to impose consequences then you have violated their free speech.

Of course, they change their tune if someone says something they disagree with. But that is because they are pieces of shit.
 
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Not at all what happened and I seriously doubt we ever talked, you must be off your meds.
You can't even remember your own written words? Is everyone on the left with dementia or something? Or is it pure cynism?
Maybe if go outside to get some fresh air every once in a while you wouldn't be having memory issues.

Now I know it's hard for you, who probably haven't seen the light of day since January 6th 2021 (probably scared a walking meme generator like the ones who "threatned democracy at the capitol", lol imagine being scared of those people), but I can asure you there's a whole world out there outside your mind.

Also you seem to not have latino friends considering that you have no idea how latinos think or behave, and you also seem to hate them and consider them inferior people who aren't worth listening to.

I suggest you to open your mind a little bit, let go of the prejudices, hatred and biggotry, and meet different people every now and then.
 
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The problem with the right is they believe there should be no consequences, because free speech means you can say what you want & if you try to impose consequences then you have violated their free speech.

Of course, they change their tune if someone says something they disagree with. But that is because they are pieces of shit.
I'm more or less referring to self-policing. not policies actively stifling free speech. it's like calling someone a really bad racial slur. It's protected as free speech, but that doesn't mean you're not gonna get your ass beat for saying it.

In the case of Alex Jones, he's getting sued for using his free speech to cause major turmoil to a group of people, that's his punishment. it's not like the law is saying he couldn't tell people Sandy Hook was fake, but he certainly suffered consequences for saying

Edit: I misunderstood what you were saying. I misread your comment. I don't think you misunderstood what I was saying, as initially stated. Now that I reread your comment, I agree. they think they should be able to say said racial slur, and be able to not get beat up for it.
 

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I don't understand why there are so many people on the right saying that leftists want to take away free speech. there are a vocal minority who want to ban words and create safe-spaces, but that's a vocal minority, most of the leftists and centrists don't want to ban any sort of speech.

I myself believe in self-policing; you say something stupid using your free speech rights, you're gonna pay for the consequences. If you're talking about Facebook (and other social media platforms) blocking posts and banning certain hot words, then that's not a free speech issue, that's a "you're using the wrong platform" issue. When you sign up for those social medias, you agree to terms of service that they put down, and they have the right to prevent you from using that platform if you're not following their rules. Also, might I remind you that many of these social media outlets service more than just the US as well, which may or may not have free speech rules. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, use a different outlet if you have problems with it. Not to mention, plenty of people on the other side of the political spectrum get banned all the time and bitch about the same issues. It doesn't matter if you're left, or right, both sides suffer from these policies.

Also, my apologies to anyone who takes issue with this term, but it's the best term to explain the group of people who actually want to remove free speech: the "warriors of social justice" are not your typical leftists. They're typically hypocritical people who want not equality, but a shift of power, and they're few and far between. Most of the time when I see someone fitting this description talk, they only want what's best for their lifestyle, and want to bitch about literally every little infraction that may be taken as a social rights issue(and then proceed to turn around and ignore their own cries). Most actual leftists I know just want to be able to live their lives without people causing them trouble. We want to keep our rights, our body autonomy, and maybe sprinkle some things in there to limit large entities destroying people's right to a pursuit of happiness.

Free speech as far as I can tell personally, isn't in jepoardy, and it likely never will be, but as always, there will always be consequences of what you say, and if you say some stupid shit, be prepared to deal with the consequences (looking at you Alex Jones).

There's are members of that vocal minority on this site. I'm just glad the rest of the left laughs at their idiocy.
 
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In Europe you can be thrown in jail for showing the letter Z
This is a barefaced lie.
You can't even remember your own written words? Is everyone on the left with dementia or something? Or is it pure cynism?
Maybe if go outside to get some fresh air every once in a while you wouldn't be having memory issues.

Now I know it's hard for you, who probably haven't seen the light of day since January 6th 2021 (probably scared a walking meme generator like the ones who "threatned democracy at the capitol", lol imagine being scared of those people), but I can asure you there's a whole world out there outside your mind.

Also you seem to not have latino friends considering that you have no idea how latinos think or behave, and you also seem to hate them and consider them inferior people who aren't worth listening to.

I suggest you to open your mind a little bit, let go of the prejudices, hatred and biggotry, and meet different people every now and then.
LOL at the pathetic hypocrisy and, in general, pathetic behaviour fuelled by your pathetic assumptions LMAO Calling others for "prejudice hatred and bigotry" when you're nothing more than a "living" meme of insults. Seriously, TAKE YOUR MEDS!

Imagine thinking you can school me when you fail at basic grammar and syntax.

And I seriously have no idea who you are.
 

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No.

German criminal code § 140:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__140.html
translation: up to three years in prison for those who condone war

And here is an article about how it was put in practice recently regarding the Ukraine war
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__140.html
translation: 140 people have been accused; showing the letter Z is interpreted differently by the different states
$140 specifies the entire range of things that are punishable, but does not say that every act gets the same punishment. You will get fined for openly proclaiming support by wearing an insignia or symbol in public that condones war crimes, or actions of war criminals. But you absolutely have to do much more than just that to get a prison sentence.

It's the same with the nazi salute in Germany. The law specifies that showing symbols like that in public can be punished with jail, and yet it literally only gets a fine unless there's more than just that.
 

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$140 specifies the entire range of things that are punishable, but does not say that every act gets the same punishment. You will get fined for openly proclaiming support by wearing an insignia or symbol in public that condones war crimes, or actions of war criminals. But you absolutely have to do much more than just that to get a prison sentence.

It's the same with the nazi salute in Germany. The law specifies that showing symbols like that in public can be punished with jail, and yet it literally only gets a fine unless there's more than just that.
Irrelevant. I said you can go to jail for free speech in Europe. He called it a lie. I refuted him.
Are you saying I could not go to jail if I were in Germany and publicly lauded the Russian "special military operation"?

The legal consequences of a Nazi salute are also a restriction of free speech.
 

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In Europe you can be thrown in jail for showing the letter Z,
Irrelevant. I said you can go to jail for free speech in Europe. He called it a lie. I refuted him.
Yeah because your fucking premise/initial argument was garbage. Really like how ya'll do the same disgenious crap.

You: you can get thrown in jail for the letter Z
Dark: no that's bullshit.
Someone else:yeah that's also bullshit
You: but see! I meant free speech, not the letter Z. I'm totally being a complete contrarian and very smart.
 
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