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What you fail to understand is that I'm not telling you how to live the life you want, I'm telling you that you are a bigot for preventing others from living their life the way you want.

You are failing to articulate how I am doing so.

The argument that I've made is that centralized federal government has taken a step to delegate the issue of abortion to 50 different states, which is a decentralizing action. Your claim is that the federal government is the will of "the people" because ~25% of eligible voters elect leaders who delegate SCOTUS, who consequently make nation-sweeping rules-- determining a singular culture.

No action of mine has mandated or told you what you can and cannot do. I'm in favor of multiple cultures being allowed to exist.

You can try to gatekeep all you want, but tolerance isn't tied to a side of a linear spectrum.

Propping a centralized rule is only going to benefit authoritarianism.

I'm not supporting your statements at all.

You might be emotionally repelled by the things I am saying, because of your own bigotry, but the things you have been saying are pretty supportive of what I am saying. You just seem to think that what you say applies to only one side.
 
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You are failing to articulate how I am doing so.
You're saying that people should have the ability to live in a community where others are prevented from living their lives how they want to.

I'm saying you shouldn't be able to prevent others from living how they want to.

You're gaslighting me by saying I'm the one being unreasonable.

I don't know how to make it clearer than that. I thought you were trolling up until now, but it seems you just lack capacity.
 

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You're saying that people should have the ability to live in a community where others are prevented from living their lives how they want to.

I'm literally not. Between me and you, you are the one saying people should or shouldn't do something.

You seem to strive to be gaslit.
 

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I'm literally not. Between me and you, you are the one saying people should or shouldn't do something.
WTF? you really are a piece of work.

You think it's ok for people to decide they don't want others to have abortions, so now you are just lying to save face.

How does it feel to be so bad at debating, that you have to resort to lying? I've never had to, so I don't know.

You might be emotionally repelled by the things I am saying,
Normal people are repelled by the abhorrent things you say, sure. That isn't bigotry, that is just a normal empathetic reaction to your victims. You seem to not be able to understand the difference & with such low self awareness then you are unlikely to be able to grow emotionally any further.
 
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You think it's ok for people to decide they don't want others to have abortions, so now you are just lying to save face.

That's your strawman. You are going to have to quote me. The federal government, up until the reversal of RvW, exercised the authority to decide if people can or cannot get abortions. Now that authority has been delegated to the 50 states, which is decentralizing. Whether I think abortions are good or evil has no operational function in my claim. If all 50 states decided to sanctify abortions in the way you think is good, it would be better than a national government dictating to all 50 states. If states make limitations on abortions in a way that you think is bad, it doesn't make me a bigot, lol.

Normal people are repelled by the abhorrent things you say, sure. That isn't bigotry, that is just a normal empathetic reaction to your victims.

You aren't "normal". Your bigotry comes in the form of full-on fallacy and libelous attitude toward anyone who doesn't laud your platitudes. Imaginary people inside your head aren't "victims". It's only you.

you are pathetic and can't victimize anyone.
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It gives people the choice to live in a place that allows it or a place that does not,

You are going to have to quote me.
Ok, here you go.

If you already live in an area that is now telling you what to do, you are being told what to do (either stop doing what you want or move, which you may also not be economically able to do).

It's so easy to pwn you, now go fail somewhere else instead you bigot.
 

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It's so easy to pwn you, now go fail somewhere else instead you bigot.

That's a polarized example of the decentralizing nature, not a claim on what states should decide. You are using the word bigot so ironically. Self-righteousness is a poor substitute for literacy.

If you already live in an area that is now telling you what to do, you are being told what to do (either stop doing what you want or move, which you may also not be economically able to do)

So democracy doesn't work? What do you propose to change? @smf to decide everything for everyone?
 
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Self-righteousness is a poor substitute for literacy.
And yet, here you still are. The no 1 self righteous person on here.

That's a polarized example of the decentralizing nature, not a claim on what states should decide.
You support the states deciding though, which means you support people controlling what others do.

And no, democracy does not work, because on these states there is no support for banning abortions. It's a minority that are doing it, but because of loons like you driving the culture wars, then there is no way that people will stop supporting their backward republican candidate.

Trump et al broke democracy irrevocably, it's going to take a long time & wiping him and his supporters off the face of the earth, before democracy works again.
 
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And yet, here you still are. The no 1 self righteous person on here.

Again, I said it's not a good substitute for literacy. Try again.

You support the states deciding though, which means you support people controlling what others do.

Maybe no more than you support a national platform deciding. My point is that it is more democratic and capable of reflecting 50 varieties of "consensus" on the issue. If people have no control over the state, they surely have no control over the fed--which is a bigger problem.

And no, democracy does not work, because on these states there is no support for banning abortions. It's a minority that are doing it, but because of loons like you driving the culture wars, then there is no way that people will stop supporting their backward republican candidate.

Trump et al broke democracy irrevocably, it's going to take a long time & wiping him and his supporters off the face of the earth, before democracy works again.

Ah. Democracy will work again if you silence the opposition. If you think Trump "broke democracy", you might have missed him getting elected in the first place. Cat is out of the bag and you are exposing yourself as a wannabe dictator.
 
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Again, I said it's not a good substitute for literacy. Try again.
Right, So Mr self-righteous, why are you still here?

Maybe no more than you support a national platform deciding. My point is that it is more democratic and capable of reflecting 50 varieties of "consensus" on the issue. If people have no control over the state, they surely have no control over the fed--which is a bigger problem.

Nobody should have control over reproductive rights of others.

You don't have control over the constitution rights either, if it's so important to you that people should be able to live in a way that they choose then constitution should be ripped up and given to the state too.

Ah. Democracy will work again if you silence the opposition. If you think Trump "broke democracy", you might have missed him getting elected in the first place. Cat is out of the bag and you are exposing yourself as a wannabe dictator.
No I have no problem with opposition, silencing the opposition is one of Trumps ploys.

I have a problem with criminals who confuse weak minded people like you. Democracy isn't about conning the most people.
 
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Right, So Mr self-righteous, why are you still here?

I'm showing you the ways of your illiteracy...

Nobody should have control over reproductive rights of others.

That maybe true, but your country does so by defining what those rights are and are not.

You don't have control over the constitution rights either, if it's so important to you that people should be able to live in a way that they choose then constitution should be ripped up and given to the state too.

People like me? I have no control over your constitution or its interpreters. Up until now, we were talking about democracy. I don't care what you do with your constitution. Nice strawman.

No I have no problem with opposition, silencing the opposition is one of Trumps ploys.

That's a weak follow up from you saying, " it's going to take a long time & wiping him and his supporters off the face of the earth, before democracy works again". Looks like you are bit of sociopath, unaware of how feeble that deflection was. You want to silence Trump because he's evil and you are good. I get it.

Democracy isn't about conning the most people.

Here's the issue. That has been the absolute state of America long before Trump. America has been a cult before you were born, but you seem to think that "democracy worked" before Trump was elected; that "he" and people who would vote for him are the problem that caused it to fail.
 
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I'm showing you the ways of your illiteracy...
Illiterate posts are showing me what?

That has been the absolute state of America long before Trump. America has been a cult before you were born, but you seem to think that "democracy worked" before Trump was elected; that "he" and people who would vote for him are the problem that caused it to fail.
So you're saying Trump is nothing new & all the people who voted for him are idiots, as they said he was something new.

If you were literate, you'd have read about the rise of populism....
 

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You've completely departed from the argument and are trying to sell the typical Trump is the big bad strawman.
I'm not selling anything, it's proven that Trump broke democracy and the minds of his supporters. They are basically good for nothing now, essentially on par with meth addicts.

You demonstrate this with all your posts.

Don't blame me because I won't enable you in your addiction.
 
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I'm not selling anything, it's proven that Trump broke democracy and the minds of his supporters. They are basically good for nothing now, essentially on par with meth addicts.

You demonstrate this with all your posts.

Don't blame me because I won't enable you in your addiction.

You are selling a strawman. The argument had nothing to do with Trump. You are acting as a pervert that seems to think everything that ever happens is linked to him. All you are capable of producing is what you've got going on inside you. You are obsessed with Trump because you don't seem to realize that you elected him. So don't call me a Trump supporter just because you are losing an argument.

Meanwhile, decentralizing of government is good imo. It's closer to being democratic.
 
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You are acting as a pervert that seems to think everything that ever happens is linked to him.
No, I have attributed one thing to him. You are just trying to strawman your way out of it, because reality makes you cry.

Meanwhile, decentralizing of government is good imo. It's closer to being democratic.
It's closer to tribalism. Which you approve of, as you are a tribalist.
 
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