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Can Donald Trump become President Again?

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when your own government which you appointed "tries to run you out" (which didn't happen) it usually means you're unfit for office, if even your own lackeys think you're mad.
Sounds like you missed my point or reinvented what you are responding to. I know it's an uncomfortable fact that your own presidents aren't protected by, or in this case, from the government. The implications on the safety of the citizens goes out the window.
 
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when your own government which you appointed "tries to run you out" (which didn't happen) it usually means you're unfit for office, if even your own lackeys think you're mad.
The President doesn’t appoint the Congress. That’s actually kind of the point - the legislature and the executive are two branches that are supposed to work as checks on each other. People don’t think about this very often, but the U.S. government is designed to be in a constant state of opposition against itself. The purpose behind setting it up as such is that only ideas that have broad support can actually be signed into law, law being the only relevant factor as far as citizens are concerned. It’s not a popularity contest or a Carebear convention, those people aren’t supposed to be “buddies”.
 
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The President doesn’t appoint the Congress. That’s actually kind of the point - the legislature and the executive are two branches that are supposed to work as checks on each other. People don’t think about this very often, but the U.S. government is designed to be in a constant state of opposition against itself. The purpose behind setting it up as such is that only ideas that have broad support can actually be signed into law, law being the only relevant factor as far as citizens are concerned. It’s not a popularity contest or a Carebear convention, those people aren’t supposed to be “buddies”.
Congress and Government are two different things, speak to that guy who clearly is incapable of distinguishing. And unfortunately politics ARE only a matter of popularity, which is sad and useless. If it were a matter of competence, perhaps things wouldn't be so bad.
Sounds like you missed my point or reinvented what you are responding to. I know it's an uncomfortable fact that your own presidents aren't protected by, or in this case, from the government. The implications on the safety of the citizens goes out the window.
No, you just don't know what you're talking about. ANY impeachement measure is a protective mechanism.
 

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Unbiased third parties don’t exist - the last thing I need is fact checkers fact checking fact checkers. I have a better idea - just show me the facts and I’ll form my own opinions.
I would say machines can exist to do this, but even then I would not put my whole heart into trusting them, or more so those who program and operate them. Its a checks and balances that would exist on a very fine line.
In regard to age, a second Trump x Biden election will make the chair of US president look like the chair of the papacy.

Honestly given the extreme batshittery that is going on in the RNC right now I would not be surprised if the party splits in half between the radicals who are borderline communist and those who are oldschool Republicans wanting to restore some kind of respect and credibility that they had before the GOP became a thing feared and hated on the world.

Anyway, I just waiting for someone to post: Can Jimmy Carter become President Again?
Hell even the corpse of Reagan would be a viable choice.
 

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[truth divining] I would say machines can exist to do this, but even then I would not put my whole heart into trusting them, or more so those who program and operate them. Its a checks and balances that would exist on a very fine line.
This side of strong AI that can change its own programming with 1984 ain't got shit on me levels of surveillance (sounds like a wonderful place to live) then not seeing it. No real way for humans to program it in the traditional sense, and that leaves us again strong AI or some kind or machine learning which is also fraught with difficulty.

We can barely get things to identify items or predict patterns and most of those are yes/no for a group or specific trait, and this is "working one of these makes me a lot of money" levels of computing power and programmers available. Making sense of a complicated blurry video feed, some of which may also be value judgements (see also jury nullification)... no chance in this lifetime.
 

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I would say machines can exist to do this, but even then I would not put my whole heart into trusting them, or more so those who program and operate them. Its a checks and balances that would exist on a very fine line.
This side of strong AI that can change its own programming with 1984 ain't got shit on me levels of surveillance (sounds like a wonderful place to live) then not seeing it. No real way for humans to program it in the traditional sense, and that leaves us again strong AI or some kind or machine learning which is also fraught with difficulty.

We can barely get things to identify items or predict patterns and most of those are yes/no for a group or specific trait, and this is "working one of these makes me a lot of money" levels of computing power and programmers available. Making sense of a complicated blurry video feed, some of which may also be value judgements (see also jury nullification)... no chance in this lifetime.
I remember one implementation of AI meant for scanning through CV’s for prospective job candidates. Upon seeing the results it was promptly decided that the AI was sexist and racist. :lol:
 

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I remember one implementation of AI meant for scanning through CV’s for prospective job candidates. Upon seeing the results it was promptly decided that the AI was sexist and racist. :lol:
I saw the same thing. Opinions seemed to vary. One was that it was fed examples from existing employees (mostly a tech company so play that as you will) and thus tried to match those. Another was that those running it were more about that equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity and there was a material difference.
I would note that come the day of the revolution. Lawyers, landlords, bankers... all safe from me. HR people on the other hand...
 

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Yes, and he will likely win not only the Republican nomination but the Presidency itself in 2024. Against Biden, he polls strongly.

Joe Biden remains the only viable alternative on the Democratic side - no, Hillary isn't coming back - and his Presidency is being decided by this proxy war with Russia. The longer the war drags on, the stronger the chances of Trump winning.
 

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I saw the same thing. Opinions seemed to vary. One was that it was fed examples from existing employees (mostly a tech company so play that as you will) and thus tried to match those. Another was that those running it were more about that equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity and there was a material difference.
I would note that come the day of the revolution. Lawyers, landlords, bankers... all safe from me. HR people on the other hand...
Ah, the human refuse department! Yes, I’m familiar. Chopping block, second only to OSHA pencil pushers.
 

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Unpopular Opinion: I am absolutely in favour of DT taking HC to court. 1000 pages of senate enquiry against him, plus being exposed to some of the most lethal lawyers in the world. That's gonna be fun, and hopefully sink his presidential chances.
 

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Yes, and he will likely win not only the Republican nomination but the Presidency itself in 2024. Against Biden, he polls strongly.

Joe Biden remains the only viable alternative on the Democratic side - no, Hillary isn't coming back - and his Presidency is being decided by this proxy war with Russia. The longer the war drags on, the stronger the chances of Trump winning.
He polled strongly against Biden the first time too.
 

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Unpopular Opinion: I am absolutely in favour of DT taking HC to court. 1000 pages of senate enquiry against him, plus being exposed to some of the most lethal lawyers in the world. That's gonna be fun, and hopefully sink his presidential chances.
Why would he take Clinton personally to court for a weird civil suit when the Durham probe (which the public is consistently distracted away from) is starting to uncover possibly criminal liability on the part of the Clinton campaign? Things are only going to get more and more interesting on that front.
 
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Why would he take Clinton personally to court for a weird civil suit when the Durham probe (which the public is consistently distracted away from) is starting to uncover possibly criminal liability on the part of the Clinton campaign? Things are only going to get more and more interesting on that front.

Probably to get the media to cover it.
 

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This side of strong AI that can change its own programming with 1984 ain't got shit on me levels of surveillance (sounds like a wonderful place to live) then not seeing it. No real way for humans to program it in the traditional sense, and that leaves us again strong AI or some kind or machine learning which is also fraught with difficulty.

We can barely get things to identify items or predict patterns and most of those are yes/no for a group or specific trait, and this is "working one of these makes me a lot of money" levels of computing power and programmers available. Making sense of a complicated blurry video feed, some of which may also be value judgements (see also jury nullification)... no chance in this lifetime.
I mean less of a sense of AI and more of a process that is fed accurate source information to determine truthful examinations. Think something like Politifact being fed to a scantron machine. Not a perfect and sound solution but a seemingly viable baseline. Actual AI determination of politics would probably result in the AI declaring WW3 and just systematically removing world leaders just to install itself as de-facto leader of the human race.

I may exaggerate but honestly I would not be surprised if the outcome of an AI learning politics would just want to do away with the whole thing.
 

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Why would he take Clinton personally to court for a weird civil suit when the Durham probe (which the public is consistently distracted away from) is starting to uncover possibly criminal liability on the part of the Clinton campaign? Things are only going to get more and more interesting on that front.
The Durham proble is a fluke that only tinfoil hats believe in.
 

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The Durham proble is a fluke that only tinfoil hats believe in.
You do realise that one of the sources from the dossier was already indicted in February, and there’s evidence to suggest that computers in the White House were compromised, right? Surveillance of Trump was questionable before he assumed office, but it appears that it didn’t end after he became President, which borders on treason. You have a private company spying on a sitting President here, funded in part by the Clinton campaign and, by proxy, the DNC. It’s a bigger deal than you think.
 

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You do realise that one of the sources from the dossier was already indicted in February, and there’s evidence to suggest that computers in the White House were compromised, right? Surveillance of Trump was questionable before he assumed office, but it appears that it didn’t end after he became President, which borders on treason. You have a private company spying on a sitting President here, funded in part by the Clinton campaign and, by proxy, the DNC. It’s a bigger deal than you think.
Didn't you say that somehow the length of the FBI in charging trump meant he committed nothing? This has been going on for longer.
 

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