Even though we are unable to play Wii U backups... Is there anyone working on Wii U Disc backups, or do we need to know how the Wii U reads the disc, first?

 

Wii U backups are going to be real interesting to store and backup. considering they can be upto ~25GB in size. not sure if Nintendo will allow 50GB dual layer games yet. they should considering how they had single layer games until Smash Bros Brawl on the Wii. Someone's got to be working on it but in reality, playing and storing said backups will be a problem. until that is solved. it really will not matter much if people figure out how to dump games as most likely, only "scene" groups will have the hardware/and or software to dump games. and not many will sit down and download 25GB "backups" from "the scene" considering how large they are. and how many parts they would be in. that does not inlude how much space people would need to store games on a hard drive. 25GB/game fills drives up real fast.

 

even though the games can be up to 25GB doesn't mean they will be anywhere near that size apart from a few games, just look at the PS3 dumps to get an idea. even though they are on blu-ray discs that can hold up to 50GB, most games are between 10-20GB some of the well known games coming in under 8GB. no matter what the size is there will be people willing to sit and download the backup regardless of the size of the disc image. cos the disc can hold 25GB's of data does not mean that every game will be 25GB in size, i wouldn't be surprised if some of those wii U games are even under the size of a 4.5 GB dvd............................sudeki300

 

I think that within the year there will be dumps of the discs. as for the 25GB im glad im getting a blu ray burner soon. I can store all the rars on blu-ray so i can keep my server drives from filling with iso's

 

If you go onto the e-shop you can see the size of the games on there. I think the largest is 8~9GB.
Even on the PS3, I don't think there are too many games that are actually 25GB+, but it's nice to have the option for developers.

 

Agreed, and if they do surpass 10 GB it usually is because of HD Video content.

 

Games typically use real time cut scenes instead of FMV's, and disc space has nothing to do with being able to do 1080p.

 

In a sense yes, but there's ways to decompress those assets on the fly and other techniques . I'm not arguing that it's not the way forward for games, just that the resolution it's displayed at is independent to the amount of data in the game. I do agree that having more disc space can help allow the developers to construct a higher detailed world.

One example is Assassins Creed III. Ps3 and 360 versions is just over 11Gb, while the Wii U version which doesn't offer any graphical/audio improvement over the 360 version comes in at 18Gb.

 

What do you mean by assets will have to created in the size of 1920x1080? Not to offend but that comment alone sounds like you don't really understand game development / 3D modeling environments.

FMV's and audio take up the most space and then textures. Textures will be in lots of varying resolutions. Character and environment models are not pre rendered and will be rendered in code at the output resolution of the scene that's been created in said code. Having lots of high resolution textures (and multiples of those textures in different resolutions for different draw distances) will use up lots of space which is needed for rich environments and highly detailed world's, yes, but there not needed to render a scene in 1080 resolution which is the point I was trying to make. To make it clear, a lot of storage is NOT needed for 1080p resolution, a lot of space IS needed for high details.

In your previous post you mentioned that less space makes it difficult for games to run at 1080p, its really the opposite. With more assists and bigger textures it gets harder to hit 1080p at a desirable frame rate. Most higher detailed games on the PS3 and 360 generally render the scene at a lower resolution and upscale to 1080p as the hardware can't handle it, with the amount of RAM being a big limiting factor as the assets have to be able to fit inside the RAM along with the running code and variables. Having less assets and smaller textures can help in rendering at a true 1080p resoltion as there's less work being done by the hardware, with the trade offs to that being obvious.

Hopefully that clears what I meant and helps inform, it really is getting off topic though

 

Note in addition to that that most are ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of even AAA titles for 360 or PS3 also display in not 1080P, but not even 720P, more often being sub-HD resolutions. I believe for example that it has taken until Halo 4 for that franchise to even hit 720P. The main part of this last generation these supposed "HD" consoles have in fact been running at ~2004 PC resolutions.