Who won the first presidential debate?

Nightwish · Sep 30, 2020

Putin and Xi won, they'll get to keep the US distracted and divided over who has less to offer to american workers. All Joe had to do to take him to the cleaners was present his plan, but the can't run the risk of upsetting anyone!
Still, who's in front isn't going to change with that shitshow, and if voters are finally tired of the great economy, the great order of armed and uncontrolled militia, and degrading of the greatest military money can buy, a one man Twitter performance isn't going to change that.

notimp · Sep 30, 2020

crimpshrine said:
I don't see anyone in media talking about Joe cheating today other than people on twitter. He is on video hiding his wire at least 2 times during the debate last night. One under his lapel and another in his left cuff.

The theories are getting dumber and dumber.

First, anyone in that kind of debate is at least double mic'ed.

Second, candidates are prepped for months in staged debates, under pressure, going through different scenarios 'learning their lines'. Which btw. are all written for them. (scenarios, stingers, ...)

Do you think Biden comes up with "will you shut up man" in the moment, then would not be shocked by a slip of his tongue, because - and I quote all the stations afterwards "there are children listening as well". All of that is production. He did it three times in escalating fashion (not always saying shut up), while masking/muffling any anger in 'bored' body language.

Third, do you have any idea, how an interaction looks if someone is fed their pointers?

Fourth same rumor was spread with clinton in 2016:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/29/biden-earpiece-debate-rumor/

The “secret earpiece” claim above was just a prelude to the onslaught of disinformation that would get churned out after the first 2016 presidential debate. One such rumor was centered on an odd wrinkle on Clinton’s suit. While propagandists claimed that this was evidence that Clinton was again using a secret earpiece, the wrinkle was actually caused by the wire from the lapel microphone that both Clinton and Trump were wearing during the debate.

Cant you think of anything new?

Hanafuda · Sep 30, 2020

notimp said:
The theories are getting dumber and dumber.

First, anyone in that kind of debate is at least double mic'ed.

Seconds, Candidates are prepped for months in staged debates, under pressure, going through different scenarios 'learning their lines'.

Third, do you have any idea, how an interaction looks id someone is fed their pointers?

Fourth same rumor was spread with clinton in 2016:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/29/biden-earpiece-debate-rumor/

Cant you think of anything new?

FWIW the same "wire" claims were made about George Bush for a debate in 2004. Salon went so far as hiring a "NASA Photo Analyst" to bolster the claim.

https://www.salon.com/2004/10/30/bulge_5/

Why a specialist in space photography would also be an expert for this topic, I guess nobody bothered to wonder. Anyway, I'm inclined this once to agree with you @notimp.

Besides, Chris Wallace was doing a much better job of contexting and cueing up Biden's utterances than wearing a wire or earpiece would've accomplished.

notimp · Sep 30, 2020

Its easier to prep someone for four months in staged debating and improv, than to make someone getting pointers, trying to recollect lines look natural on camera. Thats just a given.

Both of them are 'charismatics' not much in the brain, naturals at connecting with people, you pick them for the purpose, that they can communicate at least partly on message, in front of large audiences.

Coincidently, those are also good leader personalities. Sometimes.

IncredulousP · Sep 30, 2020

Nightwish said:
Putin and Xi won, they'll get to keep the US distracted and divided over who has less to offer to american workers. All Joe had to do to take him to the cleaners was present his plan, but the can't run the risk of upsetting anyone!
Still, who's in front isn't going to change with that shitshow, and if voters are finally tired of the great economy, the great order of armed and uncontrolled militia, and degrading of the greatest military money can buy, a one man Twitter performance isn't going to change that.

Sanders should have been the primary candidate.

crimpshrine · Sep 30, 2020

notimp said:
The theories are getting dumber and dumber.

First, anyone in that kind of debate is at least double mic'ed.

Seconds, Candidates are prepped for months in staged debates, under pressure, going through different scenarios 'learning their lines'. Which btw. are all written for them. (scenarios, stingers, ...)

Do you think Biden comes up with "will you shut up man" in the moment, then would not be shocked by a slip of his tongue, because - and I quote all the stations "there are children listening as well". All of that is production. He did it three times in escalating fashion (not always saying shut up), while masking/muffling any anger in 'bored' body language.

Third, do you have any idea, how an interaction looks id someone is fed their pointers?

Fourth same rumor was spread with clinton in 2016:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/29/biden-earpiece-debate-rumor/

Cant you think of anything new?

I know what I saw, him pushing a wire back in under his lapel. As for the cuff one, I see people saying it might be a rosary bracelet.

Seeing that wire coupled with the claim that Bidens handlers abruptly reversed having them checked for electronic ear pieces before the debate seems like someone trying to avoid something.

Why would his camp agree to the verifying before hand and then reverse course before the debate?

Is this not true?

“Joe Biden’s handlers several days ago agreed to a pre-debate inspection for electronic earpieces but today abruptly reversed themselves and declined,” Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said in a statement Tuesday.

I have watched Biden speak the last 3 weeks when he is available and whatever they did to him last night, he seemed much more responsive than in the last 3 weeks (to be fair that bar is REALLY low at this point)

Not really a debate, a fight that Trump dominated him in and even had Wallace picking Biden back up in the ring over in my opinion.

GhostLatte · Sep 30, 2020

rick191 said:
Trump wiped the floor with him and it wasn't even close.

Sleepy Joe couldn't even say the words "law and order".

He also couldn’t denounce white supremacy.

Hanafuda · Sep 30, 2020

GhostLatte said:
He also couldn’t denounce white supremacy.

He already is on record condemning white supremacists/nationalists/neo-Nazis. It's part of the quote the liberals always delete when they repeat the "fine people" lie.

GhostLatte · Sep 30, 2020

Hanafuda said:
He already is on record condemning white supremacists/nationalists/neo-Nazis. It's part of the quote the liberals always delete when they repeat the "fine people" lie.

Why couldn’t he say it last night then?

SG854 · Sep 30, 2020

GhostLatte said:
Why couldn’t he say it last night then?

Check mate

seany1990 · Sep 30, 2020

So to conservatives just shouting over people whilst saying absolutely nothing constitutes a win does it. I wonder where this low-iq demographic stereotype comes from

djnate27 · Sep 30, 2020

George Washington

rsx · Sep 30, 2020

Didn't watch it but I'll tell you how it ends: Neither of them won, we're the ones who lost and pay for everything.

crimpshrine · Sep 30, 2020

What I find odd is that trump had already denounced white supremacy. Multiple times publicly.

Didn't he also designate the KKK as a terrorist organization?

Here he is pretty darn specific.

Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

leon315 · Sep 30, 2020

It's not a debate who's the better choice, You americans are just choosing who's of those 2 is the Lesser Evil to be you next president.

crimpshrine · Sep 30, 2020

https://streamable.com/sr9o2s

20+ times on video where he has condemned racism/hate/white supremacy. Some of you are just wacky.

Foxi4 · Sep 30, 2020

"Please denounce white supremacy and violence" is just a distraction, nobody actually cares about that. Trump has a Jewish son-in-law, this is a complete non-story. The problem with theorising whether or not Trump supports a "white ethnostate" is the fact that it requires being completely myopic in regards to the composition of his family. If he really was a klansman in disguise, his entire family would be the first to get tossed over the wall - he's openly an Israel sympathiser, the favourite country of all nazis in the world. Some people really have vivid imaginations.

morvoran · Sep 30, 2020

leon315 said:
It's not a debate who's the better choice, You americans are just choosing who's of those 2 is the Lesser Evil to be you next president.

This was true for previous elections prior to 2016. In 2016 and now, it's a choice of saving our country and voting Trump or letting the communists/socialists take over and destroy it and voting for Biden's handlers.

Also, I see that the leftists here finally stopped crying into their pillows after that terrible performance by their "candidate" and decided to join the conversation.

sarkwalvein · Sep 30, 2020

Winning is a weird concept for a debate, specially when Americans are really a mystery on why they choose one or other side.

That said, the debate was shameful, pure vicarious embarassment.
It looked like a scene you could expect from brats, a tantrum.
Like a bratty child in kindergarten that doesn't want to listen what the teacher is telling him and keeps screaming and talking over.
And in the other side it looked like an inept kindergarten teacher that couldn't control the tantrum of the children.
This shouldn't have a place in a presidential debate, not even in a banana republic

dawnbringer · Sep 30, 2020

Not American wth is trump's problem. If you take was he says literally he is flawless.... always making stuff better etc etc but anyone else says the opposite.

He is hungry for power he wont accept the result if he thinks something was manipulated

If he is so sure about himself why not propose fair elections. ITs like having to choose between a cash minded hoarder or a shaky non assertive man. I think this is something worldwide, choosing the better of 2 evils

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