California Court SHUTS DOWN Transgender Pronoun Law

[Psionic Roshambo]

As long as the person makes an honest mistake about calling someone a mam or sir, and they are not that gender. I don't see the problem, now if someone is deliberately calling them a different sex to be mean. Then yeah your fine to be a bit pissed off... Honestly I don't care what someone identifies as. The only times it bothers me a bit is when it comes to like sports. That South Park episode did it best where they had Macho Man Randy Savage identifying as a woman and just beating the hell out of the women. The episode was hilarious but it did raise some interesting questions.

 

[Drak0rex]

The generalisation in your post is simply amazing.

Not all trans people have gender dysphoria.

Not all trans people have GRS (oh and most of us know what toilets to use thank you very)

Not all trans people look for attention

And most of us don't want special treatment. We just want to be treated the same as CIS people.

That's fair. I realize that most people just want to be left alone and not draw attention. I'm talking about the vocal minority that are pushing their agenda on society in an effort to change standards and normalize bizarre behavior, claiming that anyone who speaks up against it must be a horrible person. I'm talking about drag queen story hour. I'm talking about diversity for the sake of diversity. I'm talking about taking established characters from our popular culture and making them gay for no reason and then proclaiming that it's so stunning and brave. I'm talking about people making up 90 different "genders" and then getting mad when you call them the wrong pronoun. There are more important things to worry about in the world.

 

[RocaBOT]

You realise that the "vocal minority" you speak of does not exist, it's an invention of peeps that would like to keep us from being equal to other people. Much like all "vocal minorities" that the far right and the like invents, and often times even impersonate themselves, to throw dismay on movements they consider a "deadly threat" (like sure, I'm really eager to kill all of humanity by being equal to the rest of people, that's definitely my number 1 priority. Yep. Definitely not a joke, definitely not irony at all here )

 

[Drak0rex]

Why is there an entire month dedicated to gay pride? Who decided this needs to be a thing? What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

 

[deinonychus71]

You realise that the "vocal minority" you speak of does not exist, it's an invention of peeps that would like to keep us from being equal to other people. Much like all "vocal minorities" that the far right and the like invents, and often times even impersonate themselves, to throw dismay on movements they consider a "deadly threat" (like sure, I'm really eager to kill all of humanity by being equal to the rest of people, that's definitely my number 1 priority. Yep. Definitely not a joke, definitely not irony at all here )

I doubt the case of Oberlin College was a conspiracy from the far right. It had nothing to do with fighting for more equality, more about promoting tribalism in our society. And on twitter it was defended as such. They're trans, I'm trans, so they're necessarily right, and if you're against it you're necessarily ~phobe.

The LGBTQ community (and by extension trans community) suffers from lobbyism just like every community. We're a lot more effective at defending equality for everyone when we learn to say no to excessive behaviors.

 

[AmandaRose]

Why is there an entire month dedicated to gay pride? Who decided this needs to be a thing? What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

It being a month long was not decided by the LGBT community it was done by politicians.

US president Bill Clinton officially declared June “Gay and Lesbian Pride Month” in June 1999 before fellow Democrat Barack Obama extended its title to the more inclusive “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month” a decade later.


And as for you asking why we have pride. Google stonewall Riots.

 

[Xzi]

What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

Well, for one thing, the whole concept of "traditional family values" is bullshit. Every family has a differing set of morals and values, as does every individual within a family. Only when it's forced upon people by the state do they become somewhat monolithic, aka only fascism promotes such a thing.

Secondly, procreation of the species doesn't need to be promoted, it very frequently happens even by accident. LGBTQ+ people have existed throughout all of history, so it's not as if they've managed to stop the population from growing, or that that was ever their goal in life.

 

[The Catboy]

Why is there an entire month dedicated to gay pride? Who decided this needs to be a thing? What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

It’s funny how “traditional family values” seems to only be disrespecting the identity of trans people and being against gay people living their lives. Why can’t it be able accepting people and encouraging them to live their lives to the fullest? Why is it only exclusive to being a bigot?

 

[Plasmaster09]

None of that is required to be trans and your transphobia is wrong. Actual science disagrees and it has for decades now, so there’s no debate here, you are just wrong.
Here’s a post with just a fraction of the sources showing that you are wrong. Trans people deserve respect and science agrees. I am more than willing to bet that you can’t provide any recent peer-reviewed papers to counter these points.

ngl I really hate to say this, especially considering the spot-on counterargument, but this time I don't rly think they or their argument you're countering are worth responding to
even compared to the previous contenders for Highest Transphobia Concentration (measured in mR/mr, or micro-Rowlings per mega-rant), such raw unfiltered strawman wording as... every single word that guy's said in the past couple of pages ("hacking off their genitals because they don't know which bathroom to use"? REALLY?) is too extreme to be true
I know, I know, Poe's Law and all, but I'd rather not risk this already-frail thread getting derailed by an exaggerational troll
...never mind, I was a couple pages behind view-wise
it already has been
shit, what do we do now

 

[Plasmaster09]

That's fair. I realize that most people just want to be left alone and not draw attention. I'm talking about the vocal minority that are pushing their agenda on society in an effort to change standards and normalize bizarre behavior, claiming that anyone who speaks up against it must be a horrible person. I'm talking about drag queen story hour. I'm talking about diversity for the sake of diversity. I'm talking about taking established characters from our popular culture and making them gay for no reason and then proclaiming that it's so stunning and brave. I'm talking about people making up 90 different "genders" and then getting mad when you call them the wrong pronoun. There are more important things to worry about in the world.

actually, huh
you've got the horribly, horribly wrong idea about literally every facet of this, but I think you might be acting in good faith here

Why is there an entire month dedicated to gay pride? Who decided this needs to be a thing? What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

...and there goes that.
I'd genuinely try to rip through every single portion of these posts like I have before but at this point I'm tired of this bullshit because there isn't even an actual argument to counter
it's just
really godawful ad hominem attacks, more strawmen than the storage of a scarecrow salesman, the world's worst stock bigot phrases ("traditional family values", "promoting the procreation of the species"), it almost reads like you're pulling from a Mad Libs script designed to, fittingly enough, make "libs" mad by being as arrogant, ignorant and flagrantly discriminatory as possible to the LGBTQ+ community while constantly motte-and-bailey wheeling back and forth between flaunting your bigotry and denying it
I don't even know what to say

 

[The Catboy]

That's fair. I realize that most people just want to be left alone and not draw attention. I'm talking about the vocal minority that are pushing their agenda on society in an effort to change standards and normalize bizarre behavior, claiming that anyone who speaks up against it must be a horrible person. I'm talking about drag queen story hour. I'm talking about diversity for the sake of diversity. I'm talking about taking established characters from our popular culture and making them gay for no reason and then proclaiming that it's so stunning and brave. I'm talking about people making up 90 different "genders" and then getting mad when you call them the wrong pronoun. There are more important things to worry about in the world.

LGBT+ existing and wanting respect isn’t “bizarre behavior” and your comments have made you a horrible person. The whole argument of “vocal minorities” is just a sad attempt to paint anyone vocal about these issues as being a smaller group and dismissible loud people, it’s literally just a silencing tactic. And the whole “they changed these characters,” why does that only matter when they change them away from a cishet white guy? Actually, why doesn’t anyone get mad when they’ve changed in them in the past? There’s a version Spider-man called “Spiders-Man,” which is just a hive mind of spiders with the personality of Parker, why no outrage over that?

 

[Dakitten]

ngl I really hate to say this, especially considering the spot-on counterargument, but this time I don't rly think they or their argument you're countering are worth responding to
even compared to the previous contenders for Highest Transphobia Concentration (measured in mR/mr, or micro-Rowlings per mega-rant), such raw unfiltered strawman wording as... every single word that guy's said in the past couple of pages ("hacking off their genitals because they don't know which bathroom to use"? REALLY?) is too extreme to be true
I know, I know, Poe's Law and all, but I'd rather not risk this already-frail thread getting derailed by an exaggerational troll
...never mind, I was a couple pages behind view-wise
it already has been
shit, what do we do now

Orgy, no bigots allowed! Seriously though, I don't get how there is a discussion at all here. It would be one thing if folks were asking questions in good faith to further their own knowledge, but the level of discourse here is another sign that this place has a terrible infestation of right wing edge~

 

[KingVamp]

I didn't realize people suffering from gender dysphoria, hacking off their genitals because they don't know which bathroom to use, and then constantly seeking attention and special treatment for it was considered science

"If" true, this affects you how?

I don't think you're less of a human being because of the weird shit you do behind closed doors, I just have no desire to be aware of it.

The fact that this is even an issue just goes to show how far humanity has fallen.

Is this not thinking of people as lesser?

Secondly, procreation of the species doesn't need to be promoted, it very frequently happens even by accident.

Birthdays? Baby showers? Anyway, there's nothing stopping people from promoting it, they just don't have to be jerks to LGBT people, which stuff like "straight pride" usually is.

 

[Xzi]

Birthdays? Baby showers?

Happen after the act of procreation has already occurred, and are not compelling reasons on their own to have a child. Our primate brains and hormones do more than enough to promote procreation by themselves, no other fanfare is really necessary.

Anyway, there's nothing stopping people from promoting it

I guess not? I'm just having a hard time imagining how one can go about doing that without coming off like a total creep lmao. "Hey, you two make a cute couple. You should be fuckin' without birth control."

 

[KingVamp]

I guess not? I'm just having a hard time imagining how one can go about doing that without coming off like a total creep lmao. "Hey, you two make a cute couple. You should be fuckin' without birth control."

I think we call that shipping.

 

[Vergeeley]

...I literally already gave my own point, etc.
Please backread before you reply.
Also... what? The purpose... of gender... what???
I genuinely can't even tell what you're trying to say there. Gender is a concept, not a tool to be utilized- you must have it confused with something, but I can't figure out what.

Don't play dumb with me, please. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
If you say gender is a concept. The concept of what exactly? "I have a dick but I feel like a girl"? The whole "I feel like a girl" is a bunch of stereotypes people take for themselves.
I didn't see your point at all. As I said, you took their view and said "yeah that's bullshit bc u stupid"
And as I said, I literally don't care. Don't get mad at people for dumb reasons and don't make life for neutral people harder.
Because following this concept, I should be treated as a girl or "feel like a girl" since I'm not really masculine (Not a bad thing tho. if you think about it skirts are cool owo)

 

[Osakasan]

Why is there an entire month dedicated to gay pride? Who decided this needs to be a thing? What's so bad about promoting traditional family values and the procreation of the species ?

Because traditional family values hasn't been banned for religious reasons, cishetero men and women hasn't been killed for commiting the mere sin of existing, heterosexual lovers has never had the need to hide their relationship trying to pass as "just good friends", heterosexual people has never been forced to marry someone of a sex they don't feel attracted to only to keep appearances.

There's a reason why gay pride is a thing: Every day, people die somewhere in he world just because they are gay.

And i'm going to add something: It's perfectly fine to promote traditional family values and procreation, but NOT at the expense of someone else's happiness.

It doesn't need promoting tho, it's everywhere and nobody bats an eye. Tell me, what happens when a gay couple is introduced in a movie or a show? What happens when a character or ambiguous or unconfirmed sexuality turns out to be gay? How does people react, hmmmm?

Think about what i just told you and ask yoursel again why the gay pride, an event created to give gay people a sliver of exposure, to give them the chance to express themselves, is needed.

 

[HK-51]

I hate this phenomena. Its really creepy when you see a dude at the register and then they have the voice of a woman. Its like a bug in oblivion where NPCs have the wrong dialog.

 

[RocaBOT]

If you're bothered by people being who they want to be, maybe you're the bug in the game

 

[Foxi4]

Welp, that’s that. If anybody else gets any bright ideas, a quick reminder that usage of slurs or threatening language leads directly to a holiday off the site. To everybody else, don’t respond to trolls (so that I don’t have to work as hard to clean threads after the fact).

Continue.