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    hoo boy
     
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    Look at the join date of this account (Sep 10, 2020), and look at their post history which out of 41 messages, only 1 is non-political.

    I have no reason to believe this is a genuine person looking for conversation but rather a political tool of some sort looking to stir up controversy. I make no claims as to what entity this person would potentially be working for or whether or not I side with what has been said by anyone in this thread, but this is not the kind of user that belongs here.

    Typical that we would get bots and trolls around election season.
     
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    Did he abolish a line of thought or just say that federal funding can't be spent on it? Fairly toothless really (the next guy could undo it really) but the sentiment is appreciated.

    As for the matter at hand. I have read about it in various guises over the years (it seems to be one of the originators of the "power + prejudice = racism" which you might have then heard phrased as "black people can't be racist". Complete and utter nonsense if you ask me. Can local or institutional power be aggravating factors in things? Absolutely but they are not the sole ones.

    That is my usual video of choice as it mirrors my thoughts there.

    As far as the US being a racist country. Not seeing it in decades at this point. It has a problem with poverty which in may disproportionately affect those of varying melanin levels (give or take oriental types) but that is a different matter. Or if you prefer if you got in a magic ship, found every KKK member and those that thought like one, executed them on the spot then a) the funeral industry would likely get a few thousand extra bodies but likely less than this virus lark has seen and b) would not have solved the issue.

    The idea of dragging people out to tell them that despite what they thought they are actually racist just sits so badly with me that it is hard to understate.

    On the political parties front then vis a vis slavery, jim crow and whatever else it has been so long that it is more or less pointless. Or if you prefer would those of the era recognise today's takes (even their own) as good? If so you don't really get to look that far back and line it up with today's efforts, and that works in both directions (the same thing that allows you to note that you were not alive to own any and thus carry no blame/guilt also cuts the other way). If you are interested in the history (getting right into the weeds at times, though never anything other than eye opening if you have only suffered the surface level teaching and sanitised nonsense) then I reckon Thomas Sowell does an absolutely fantastic line in it if you have a few hours spare (I can listen to him at double speed but have spent a while doing most things at such a speed, he is clear enough though).


    I knew quite a bit of it already (moral philosophy of the time is something I have a passing interest in, or at least crops up in things I do but we will skip the photos of my book collection right now) but was still eye opening in so many ways. Did not feel like a long time listening to it at all. Can only imagine what it would be like if you had only turned up to history lessons in school and passed the exams. Would have liked to have heard more about China's takes on the matter, and the New Zealand stuff skimmed over is fascinating if you ever go looking at depth in it, but OK.
     
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    No defense seen in this thread for Democrats wanting to defund the police in this thread. You're voting for that there's no way around it. You probably don't care but it would turn this country into a complete cesspool.

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    Well unless you're voting independent this means you're not voting. Last I checked there's really only two choices each election that can actual win the race. You've spewed so much irrational hate for Trump that I assumed you were a Biden supporter. But it just backs up my claim that no one really loves Biden, they just hate Trump and Biden is just there. If he wins he won't be running the country anyway. He sometimes can barely make a complete sentence.
     
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    I disagree with Defunding the Police.......but seriously - The Police, depending on the Area or Department, are Issued a Baton, a Stun-Gun/Taser, and a Service Weapon (Pistol and/or Shotgun). Yet what do they always go for????? Yes, their Service Weapon. No Non-Leathal Force used, always Deadly Force. So then why the hell are they Issued a Taser and Baton??????????
     
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    No argument, there are some idiot cops and they should be punished to the full extent of the law if they use excessive force. It doesn't mean though that it's Trump fault or that all cops are racist or that we should defund the police. But yet this narrative definitely exists. It should make any rational American question the logic behind those that are trying to make this happen.
     
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    Not to mention, Police do have Rubber Bullets or Bean Bag Rounds. Yet they never use that except for Crowd Control.

    Off-Topic - Speaking of Bean Bag Rounds - I love how only Law Enforcement and Military can have Non Lethal Rounds like that. If you use those type of Rounds on someone Breaking and Entering your Home, they can actually take YOU to Court for Injuries and Damages???????? How is that right?????
     
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    Socialists believe in a twisted and perversion of the real definition of racism. I'm glad you agree that anyone can be racist.

    I'm not going to say racism isn't an issue, but you'd think in a country that is full of evil white people that control everything you wouldn't see dark skinned business owners, dark skinned politicians or a damned black president. You'd figure the party of critical thinking would you know, like, critically think?

    I agree the Jim Crowe laws were a long time ago, but you have to understand that the Civil War we fought against the Democrats to free the slaves and the global slavery trade was even before that were also a long time ago. Actually they happened much longer than the Jim Crowe laws, but you don't see that stopping the Left from bringing it up. If they are going to bring up something from that was happening before 1865 A.D. I find it just fine for me to bring up something from that was enforced until 1965 A.D..

    Learning History is a great way to know what works and what doesn't work. Censoring history, deleting it or rewriting it does no body any good. If you can watch a R rated movie you can handle the raw deal when it comes to what took place. I know you may not agree with History and how things played out, but you're doomed to repeat the same mistakes if you don't learn about what has been tried and what has failed. Prime examples are socialism, the results of the Liberal policies in big Democrat run cities and slavery, which actually still exists today.

    I'm honored that you took the time to look up my post history, but I'm not some political tool. I'm a real person that simply wanted to join the Political discussion. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but controversy is one of the main bits of these sorts of discussions, so I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing? It would also be damned cool if I got paid $50.00 for each of my insightful posts, but I'm at a net loss and I'm not employed to post and have to pay my own Internet hosting. Regardless, I am a video gaming, emulator and modding fan and frankly will post what I want, when I want and how I want. I don't need your permission to do so.

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    In some States you'd get in less legal trouble if you actually just killed the intruder, but you're correct. In dumb Liberal run places you can actually get sued or arrested if someone breaks into your home when you aren't even home and then hurts themselves why they are stealing your property. It makes no sense, but the Left doesn't operate on logic half of the time so .....
     
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    now one issue
    why is it that they come here illegally in the first place?
    before we answer it, we need to take a step and ask what would it mean to be in the states illegally.
    See the issue is that assuming that the ones coming illegally are as the president has stated "rapists, looters, shooters"
    wouldn't that immediately put them on the map? The opposite of what they want since, I'd imagine getting deported is not a goal, and eventually someone is going to pop the question if they are legally here while checking the background of the person if they were to be arrested.
    So. I'd imagine they do the quite opposite, it defies logic. In other words, I highly doubt they come here with malicious intent.
    Okay, so we now have that answer about what would it mean. Now we ask why again.
    Now if we go to your conclusion that they are hogging free benefits. that wouldn't make sense either social security cards ids, and birth certificate are commonly used in conjunction with each other. So it's not exactly easy to fake a person. And even if they some how manage identify theft. They wouldn't be able to update said information as quickly on, you would be caught.
    So okay, if it's not benefits then since obtaining them would be insanely hard without proper papers, what reason?
    Well, let's take into consideration what is happening down there.
    Gang violence and lots of it.
    Okay that would be a good reason to come to the states, to flee that chaos. But again why illegally...
    To this I'll finally answer it.
    Because most conservative administrations have made it harder to come here as a legal citizen.
    And it don't mean "okay we ramped the test"
    I mean the path to citizenship is harder than it should be, and we already know that the amount of time it can take is farrrrr too long to other countries.Speaking of waiting times and other issues.
    Okay then, then why not asylum...
    Oh wait. right, President was making it harder to get Asylum
    Then they just turn back to their nightmare right?
    If you said no, I think you just understood their logic.
    They don't come here illegally because they want to, they do it because out of a lack of choice. either suffer and or die by gangs. Or try to reach the states, by whatever means necessary.
     
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    You would allow others to dictate the terms and tempo of a debate with them?
     
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    Though, by nature most people who enter our country illegally know damn well they are breaking the law and only request asylum as a last ditch effort if they get caught. If they wanted to claim asylum they can go to a border crossing and do so. Of course not all illegal aliens are rapists or whatever Trump said, but a lot of them are criminals and with no way to check what they're up to they are free to commit as many crimes as they can until they are caught. There's a legal way to enter the USA and that's how you should enter. Illegal immigration also isn't something I created this thread to discuss and I believe there's rules about staying on topic?

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    That's neither here nor there. If people are crying "that's old it happened 55 years ago so it doesn't count", but then bring up something that happened 155 years ago then why would I take them seriously? It's the same thing as spending years complaining about old white rich men while they want to implement a system of government created by an old rich white men by voting for an old rich white man. I'm not going to take the word of someone that openly supports such apparent double standards with much validity.
     
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    Let's just have open borders and let drugs flow through the country like never before. That's what Dems want.
     
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    Which states are these? (I assume by your phrase that "you can actually get sued if someone breaks into your home" that you mean they can be successful and win said lawsuit, because no matter what state you live in, you can sue over anything, whether or not you'll win is another question entirely).
     
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    And what if they did ask and got rejected? As I already stated, the president made it harder for no good reason.
    Are you going to tell me that they should just walk away and go back?
    Is that correct?
    Problem with processes is that they can flawed, and or skewed to effect certain types of people. (as I already stated, systematic racism does exist)
    For example of a process that is flawed (not racist, but just flawed), I'm currently in a situation where I am struggling to get a bank account. I need to prove that where I live, is well, where I live.
    Would be simple other wise right?
    Well, if you were to get a real id. in one state. but never open a bank account, until you move to another state, without being on a new lease.
    Even if you have all the proof needed such as a birth certificate and social security number and even that real id.
    You can't open a bank account since you can't prove you live there.
    So what are my means to get fix this?
    Well, to get an id where I live, I need to use a lease or bank statement.
    And to get a bank account, I need an... updated id...
    The problem relies on the other problem, chicken egg issue. In most situations this wouldn't be a issue, and it's a good process to prevent fraud.
    However, hopefully you just realized that processes can have unforeseen consequences.
    However now imagine a man who's never met you, making the process to get into another country all the harder for no good reason, even if your asking for asylum and not citizenship.
    poor People don't break laws because they want to. (most people crossing are likely on the poverty line or near it)
    poor People break laws because they aren't given a choice, or their hand has been forced.
     
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    It all depends on their Lawyer, apparently. Question I would ask is - What "Right" did he have to Break In?????????
     
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    Asylum was created to help out people in certain dire situations, not because they're poor and live in a crappy place. I'm sorry they are poor and don't have the opportunities we share, but they are other people from other countries. Their situation was caused by their leadership. I'm in the USA are I'm not responsible for what happens in other countries. That's globalist thinking. If simply living in a shitty place was grounds for asylum then we'd have half of Chicago's citizens qualify. The reason Trump tightened the requirements is because just like I outlined people were abusing it. The people sneaking into the USA never intended to claim asylum, it's only used as a way to deal with being caught. If they planned on doing it the right way they'd do it the right way.

    Again, I really don't want to have this thread filled with illegal alien posts. It's supposed to be regarding Critical Race Theory and being turned down for immigration isn't based on your skin color. An illegal alien could be from anywhere and have any skin color. As for your ID issue, if you're ever stuck where you're in dire need of a ID you'll find if you don't have the proper main documentation there alternative and legal means to obtain them. Of course, these methods aren't advertised, but if you show up to get an ID and refuse to take "NO" as an answer are are polite about it you'll probably be given more options then they claim to offer. I've been there, done that.

    Though, this Critical Race Theory isn't targeted at illegal immigrants. I know it blames white people for the situation poor migrants find themselves in, but that's the thing. It's not my fault that some "people of color" have it bad. I could see teaching people that slavery is bad, and we did and still do that, but to claim that white people are inherently racist and we need to pay reparations for something that had nothing to do with us is pretty messed up. I'm glad Trump identified this racist theory and got rid of it in government operations. We don't need more things dividing us. Obama flared the rare wars and the fires haven't' settled down since. This would have just been more fuel to the fire.

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    I'm not sure nor am I even able to recall the names of liability laws that protect people who get hurt on your property. The laws basically guarantee you're responsible for them regardless of why they're on your property even if you're not home. I know you can try to sue someone for anything your heart desires, but these sorts of laws specifically allows you to be sued and because of the laws you'll usually lose. I'm sorry, but I haven't read up on the subject for many years so that's the best you'll get from me. If you're really interested feel free to ask around. I'm sure there are others that have heard about the subject.
     
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    Holy, mother of crap.
    See this is you being Xenophobic. This is the nonsense I don't get.
    The double standard.
    I just stated that the president was making it harder. And I pointed out that there was gang violence. and those that were fleeing were getting away from that.
    And I also pointed they likely asked for asylum, and got denied. Hell, I could even argue your being classist with your response, but beyond the point.
    I would consider gang violence as a dire situation, especially if idk, it means life or death. But instead it just means they are poor to you?
    I'm pretty sure that this speaks a whole lot more on you than anything else.
     
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    No offense, but if you can't really back up your claims with facts and figures, you really shouldn't be parading them around as facts, or at least make it clear that you believe such laws are that way in some states, though you recognize you can't readily backup those claims.
     
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    People aren't discussing race, but rather skin colors. This is why I find race discussions pointless as folks use these vague terms and it gets nowhere.
     
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