[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[x65943]

Independent voters are handing their vote to Trump or Biden whether they like it or not, and it goes to whichever of the two they dislike the most. NONE of the independents stand any chance of winning whatsoever. So if you don't want Trump to win you should be voting for Biden and vice versa. Voting independent is a complete waste of a vote. May as well not vote at all because it has the same effect. I'd be interested to know where the 32 (thus far) votes on this poll would go if there were only the two options.

Nah it's not true, you also have to take into account the electoral college and the fact that Trump will win my state no matter what I do.

Throwing my vote onto either pile is like trying to drain the ocean one spoonful at a time.

So in light of the fact my state's votes go to Trump no matter what - I think I am making more difference trying to get my preferred 3rd party candidate to 5% so he can get federal election budget backing next cycle.

 

[Hanafuda]

Hell, I would've even voted Romney myself in 2016 if it was Hillary against him.

I would've voted for Cthulhu given those choices, but I appreciate the candor, Xzi.

 

[ieatpixels]

That's interesting to see it's actually close.
To me it seems Trump has a better grip over what he's doing, and the Biden campaign focuses a lot on identity politics which I've never been a fan of.

 

[Rj.MoG]

That's interesting to see it's actually close.
To me it seems Trump has a better grip over what he's doing, and the Biden campaign focuses a lot on identity politics which I've never been a fan of.

A better grip on the 12 boxes of sudafed he keeps in his desk

because he's a functional addict

 

[KingVamp]

To be fair, rank choice voting is becoming more popular. Maybe some people are voting their 1st picks.

 

[Xzi]

Could you enlighten me on the negatives of Hillary?

In the hypothetical case of Romney vs Hillary, it's not so much that I hold any grudges against her in particular, but more that they're both corporate-funded, center-right politicians. So it comes down to a couple factors that give Romney the slight edge: I hate the idea of political family dynasties, and I view him as more "decent" in the sense that Hillary's campaign was vicious to both Obama and Sanders in the primaries. She also comes off as less genuine and more power-hungry in front of the camera.

Pretty much the same reasons I would've voted McCain over Hillary in 2008, but assuming he still would've picked Palin for VP, that would've edged me back into Clinton's camp.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Could you enlighten me on the negatives of Hillary?

She's a murderer who stole multiple documents from top-secret government computers. She's also a communist.

 

[Xzi]

She's a murderer who stole multiple documents from top-secret government computers. She's also a communist.

Yes yes, your uncle works at Nintendo and your dad rides unicorns through the valley of elves. Back to your land of make-believe now, the adults are having a discussion.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Yes yes, your uncle works at Nintendo and your dad rides unicorns through the valley of elves. Back to your land of make-believe now, the adults are having a discussion.

Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

[Xzi]

Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

Well that much is true, the person overseeing the federal prison he was staying at (Bill Barr) allowed him to be murdered at the behest of his master (Donald Trump) so that he couldn't testify against the current president and multiple other obscenely wealthy/powerful individuals.

Still wildly off-topic though.

 

[Retinal_FAILURE]

What about Kanye West? Mr. West, Mr. West all by himself, he's so impressed.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

What about Kanye West? Mr. West, Mr. West all by himself, he's so impressed.

I'm surprised the libtards haven't been flocking to him. I mean, they think black people matter more than anyone else.

 

[Lacius]

So it comes down to a couple factors that give Romney the slight edge: I hate the idea of political family dynasties, and I view him as more "decent" in the sense that Hillary's campaign was vicious to both Obama and Sanders in the primaries. She also comes off as less genuine and more power-hungry in front of the camera.

Pretty much the same reasons I would've voted McCain over Hillary in 2008, but assuming he still would've picked Palin for VP, that would've edged me back into Clinton's camp.

I guess the Supreme Court is irrelevant now.

 

[Xzi]

I guess the Supreme Court is irrelevant now.

Not irrelevant, but between Romney and Hillary, I'd expect either of them to pick from basically the same pool of centrists/constitutional traditionalists. Obviously a very different situation when you've got someone like Trump teetering on the edge of far-right authoritarianism and just straight-up fascism.

 

[PityOnU]

Looking for intelligent political discussion on an internet forum is like diving down a toilet bowl and expecting to come up with a Mars bar, but this is my $0.02 on this election here in the USA:

The education and healthcare system in the United States have become incredibly expensive, unfair, and broken to the point where they have become a massive financial liability for the majority of the population. You can combine this with skyrocketing housing prices in most major metropolitan areas (the places with the most jobs) and constant exposure to increasingly personalized echo chambers created on the majority of social media platforms out there today (to promote user engagement and ad revenue).

What you end up with is an extremely polarized population that is generally pissed off with the world (hard to be satisfyingly angry with massive faceless corporate entities), feels as though they have been generally wronged, and sees very little hope in their future prospects matching what previous generations had taught them to expect w.r.t. financial stability.

At this point, the most stereotypical examples of the liberal/conservative parties look like:

Conservative - "Other groups of people have gotten better treatment than me by exploiting the system or having things handed to them! I have suffered, so they should suffer, too! We need someone who will hurt them so that we can level the playing field!"

Liberal - "Some groups of people have gotten better treatment than others because the majority mindset is bias against them! We should blame the majority for oppressing the others and punish ourselves so we know what it is like to suffer, levelling the playing field!"

And because most people are pissed off and scared, this is how it goes.

Everyone seems to be missing the point that our goal should be that no one should suffer. Have you experienced shittyness in your life? Feel wronged? Like the world is leaving you behind? Like you are powerless and have no say? Fix it! But not by dragging others down - but by lifting us all up. That's how you actually become the greatest country in the world.

 

[IncredulousP]

Looking for intelligent political discussion on an internet forum is like diving down a toilet bowl and expecting to come up with a Mars bar, but this is my $0.02 on this election here in the USA:

The education and healthcare system in the United States have become incredibly expensive, unfair, and broken to the point where they have become a massive financial liability for the majority of the population. You can combine this with skyrocketing housing prices in most major metropolitan areas (the places with the most jobs) and constant exposure to increasingly personalized echo chambers created on the majority of social media platforms out there today (to promote user engagement and ad revenue).

What you end up with is an extremely polarized population that is generally pissed off with the world (hard to be satisfyingly angry with massive faceless corporate entities), feels as though they have been generally wronged, and sees very little hope in their future prospects matching what previous generations had taught them to expect w.r.t. financial stability.

At this point, the most stereotypical examples of the liberal/conservative parties look like:

Conservative - "Other groups of people have gotten better treatment than me by exploiting the system or having things handed to them! I have suffered, so they should suffer, too! We need someone who will hurt them so that we can level the playing field!"

Liberal - "Some groups of people have gotten better treatment than others because the majority mindset is bias against them! We should blame the majority for oppressing the others and punish ourselves so we know what it is like to suffer, levelling the playing field!"

And because most people are pissed off and scared, this is how it goes.

Everyone seems to be missing the point that our goal should be that no one should suffer. Have you experienced shittyness in your life? Feel wronged? Like the world is leaving you behind? Like you are powerless and have no say? Fix it! But not by dragging others down - but by lifting us all up. That's how you actually become the greatest country in the world.

You left out that most of the broken parts of the system were from decades of Republican policies tearing the infrastructure down bit by bit while boosting the wealth inequality. But sure, enlightened centrism seems like a comfy way of escaping having to pick a side.

our goal should be that no one should suffer. Have you experienced shittyness in your life? Feel wronged? Like the world is leaving you behind? Like you are powerless and have no say? Fix it! But not by dragging others down - but by lifting us all up. That's how you actually become the greatest country in the world.

This is the liberal platform. You're only as happy as your neighbors. We're all in this together. We should lift everyone up, not drag classes down for our own benefit.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

 

[Seliph]

She's also a communist.

No.

 

[Hanafuda]

 

[Lacius]

Not irrelevant, but between Romney and Hillary, I'd expect either of them to pick from basically the same pool of centrists/constitutional traditionalists.

I don't agree they would have picked from "basically the same pool." Hillary and Obama, yeah, but not Hillary and Romney.