[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[silien3]

Heres an example of one of the sources used:
"A portion of Germain's calculations are sourced from a 2019 Government Accountability Report that details expenses incurred by federal agencies between Feb. 3 and March 5, 2017.

Using the same data for a February 2019 report, the Washington Post estimated Trump's trips to Mar-a-Lago alone cost the U.S. taxpayer approximately $64 million during his first two years in office."
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/696512.pdf

his figures are not supposed to be confidential
good it doesn't matter even if I wanted it
I will be blocked by the language and would not understand everything the fact remains that even the democrats do this kind of thing its what I think so obviously personal opinion

 

[smf]

I agree with everything you said except for what I quoted. The rules you speak of do not restrict ANY rights or liberties, and are by no means whatsoever forced. People are still 100% free to make their own decisions. No freedoms are being stripped and nothing is being forced. Everyone is completely free to drive as fast as they want and on whatever side of the road they want to drive on. No one is being forced to do ANYthing.

You are forced to keep your speed below the limit. At least if you keep doing it and you'll end up in jail. How is that not stripping your freedom?

You also have to wear a seat belt.

Some states force you to wear clothes in public. You do not have the freedom to walk without clothes.

You do not have freedom and liberty to murder people either.

The point I'm making is that some freedoms are stripped for the good of the people. It's a compromise.

The idiots who are voting for Biden that think some washed up old time politician is going to fix their problems are delusional. He can't cure the COVID-19, he's not going to help the environment.

Well it looks like he's going to have four years to prove you wrong.

Trump is a disaster, some say the biggest disaster. It's sad that some people do listen to him and have let him steal america. He had less votes than Hilary & a small inauguration crowd

 

[Lacius]

I wasn't lying, I've just never seen you do it. All of those articles are Pro-left. Do you have any links you've posted that shine a positive light on Trump or Conservatives?

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The idiots who are voting for Biden that think some washed up old time politician is going to fix their problems are delusional. He can't cure the COVID-19, he's not going to help the environment. All he's going to do is tax people and the money will vanish just like it normally does in Washington. I agree things are going to change a bit, but for the worst not the better. If you want examples of Liberal leadership and what happens under them just look at LA, Chicago, Detroit or New York City.

Fact check: Unless Republicans get in the way, Biden can actually do the following:

1. Mitigate COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths
2. Pass the Green New Deal to help the environment

For a good apples to apples comparison of what can be accomplished under a Democratic president, I refer you to Obama's presidency.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

You are forced to keep your speed below the limit. At least if you keep doing it and you'll end up in jail. How is that not stripping your freedom?

You also have to wear a seat belt.

The point I'm making is that some freedoms are stripped for the good of the people.

Some states force you to wear clothes in public. You do not have the freedom to walk without clothes.

You do not have freedom and liberty to murder people either.

Except you're wrong. You are not forced to keep your speed below the limit. I can go get in my car and drive as fast as I want. You do not have to wear a seat belt. I can go get into my car right now and drive dow nthe road without my seat belt on. I am free to make that choice. If I lived in a state with some type of public clothing laws, I would still be 100% free to walk outside completely naked if that's what I wanted to do. I can also freely murder anyone I would wish to murder.

I've said this a number of times. Freedom does not equate freedom of consequence for acting on said freedoms. Laws are so that there are punishments for breaking them. They are not for taking freedoms away. In every instance you mentioned, you, myself, and everyone else are STILL free to make the choices. There is ZERO forcing of anything or freedoms being stripped.

 

[Lacius]

Except you're wrong. You are not forced to keep your speed below the limit. I can go get in my car and drive as fast as I want. You do not have to wear a seat belt. I can go get into my car right now and drive dow nthe road without my seat belt on. I am free to make that choice. If I lived in a state with some type of public clothing laws, I would still be 100% free to walk outside completely naked if that's what I wanted to do. I can also freely murder anyone I would wish to murder.

I've said this a number of times. Freedom does not equate freedom of consequence for acting on said freedoms. Laws are so that there are punishments for breaking them. They are not for taking freedoms away. In every instance you mentioned, you, myself, and everyone else are STILL free to make the choices. There is ZERO forcing of anything or freedoms being stripped.

Is there any point to splitting hairs like this? It's a purely semantic argument (i.e. what does "forced" mean?).

 

[smf]

You are not forced to keep your speed below the limit. I can go get in my car and drive as fast as I want. You do not have to wear a seat belt. I can go get into my car right now and drive dow nthe road without my seat belt on. I am free to make that choice. If I lived in a state with some type of public clothing laws, I would still be 100% free to walk outside completely naked if that's what I wanted to do. I can also freely murder anyone I would wish to murder.

I've said this a number of times. Freedom does not equate freedom of consequence for acting on said freedoms. Laws are so that there are punishments for breaking them. They are not for taking freedoms away. In every instance you mentioned, you, myself, and everyone else are STILL free to make the choices. There is ZERO forcing of anything or freedoms being stripped.

Well obviously I wasn't saying that you couldn't physically do those things. If it were possible to stop people breaking laws then there would be no crime.

Freedom means you can do something without constraint, a law that says you can't do something is a constraint

 

[Xzi]

PA and GA flipped to blue, it's all over but the crying (and a number of Trump supporters have obviously gotten a head start at that). I was pleasantly surprised at how smoothly the election ran overall...I expected a lot more trouble with armed nazi LARPers at polling stations. Not loving how slow certain states are with their counts, but what ya gonna do.

 

[0x3000027E]

Pass the Green New Deal to help the environment

The US has considerable investments in the alternative/clean energy market, both public *and private*. We have achieved unprecedented levels of innovation and progress with our current research efforts, well-guided by some great scientific minds.

The great hurdle to making alternative/clean energy economical/practical is in energy storage, which is a very difficult engineering problem, not to be solved by any government policy.

 

[DeMoN]

Just remember it's still not over. There's a lot of fuckery that Trump can try to pull such as overriding a state's popular vote with the Legislature's vote (which will be Republican-favored). This will likely go to the Supreme Court, which is also heavily Republican. It'll be the 2000 election all over again.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

Well obviously I wasn't saying that you couldn't physically do those things. If it were possible to stop people breaking laws then there would be no crime.

Freedom means you can do something without constraint, a law that says you can't do something is a constraint

I'm not sure how much more clear I need to be on this. A law does not prevent you, me, or anyone else from freely doing what they wish. Fact. There is not even a debate to be had on this. End of story. Freedom does NOT equal freedom of consequence.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

https://twitter.com/PhocaeanD/status/1324531466404044801?s=20

 

[Joom]

Mmmm, Stephen Colbert, you wonderful man.

Just remember it's still not over. There's a lot of fuckery that Trump can try to pull such as overriding a state's popular vote with the Legislature's vote (which will be Republican-favored). This will likely go to the Supreme Court, which is also heavily Republican. It'll be the 2000 election all over again.

The gap is so wide now that no court could consciously uphold the suit. It's looking like Biden is gonna win at 302, provided Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Georgia all close at blue (and it's looking more than likely that that's going to happen). Every judge so far, even Republican, has thrown out his state-level lawsuits. Trump's getting absolutely murdered, and only those with the cope blinders on think otherwise.

https://twitter.com/PhocaeanD/status/1324531466404044801?s=20

*yawn* You ain't got anything new yet? Every time someone does this, it gets debunked, so whatever. Go back to your cry corner on /pol/ with the rest of the MAGA dupes.

 

[chrisrlink]

in other news https://www.wavy.com/news/national/...lot-to-attack-pennsylvania-convention-center/ now what did you say about trump supporters being fine people?


and https://www.wavy.com/news/elections...nor-has-dems-seeking-ouster-of-kck-candidate/ (how can this guy even get elected with prior convictions of domestic abuse/revenge porn? it boggles my mind)

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i predict ten or 20 people will be arrested for trying to threaten or assassinate biden and harris and I'm sure the death penilty will be handed down in each case (sure hope it does) but i'm sure he'll be protected 24/7 by Secret service members like trump was befor he was elected

 

[Joom]

now what did you say about trump supporters being fine people?

Don't generalize! There's only *some* bad apples! We're not *all* terrible, degenerate, racist cult members! ;O;

 

[chrisrlink]

wtf the page disappeared? it was on 4 mins ago

 

[silien3]

Fact check: Unless Republicans get in the way, Biden can actually do the following:

1. Mitigate COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths
2. Pass the Green New Deal to help the environment

For a good apples to apples comparison of what can be accomplished under a Democratic president, I refer you to Obama's presidency.

1. I don't really see that he can cope with a virus which even in countries led by democrats following the directives of the oms or other expert does not succeed so I can hardly see an old man doing anything more

2. before making any agreement fire the business that pollutes and that we do nothing to stop and that earns millions in money see billions and stop those who have jet deprived and Yachts who use them all the time for no reason or for small trip and stop throwing waste on the ground also stop mass hunting and deforestation
but all that will not be seen in this agreement, it will affect too many companies and people
then see further with agreements and not find the excuse of the electric car pollutes in addition to killing children and people from poor countries who will recover the necessary to manufacture this electric battery (yes pollutes less than those with gasoline and everything
but first make the other point that I have mentioned before
and find better like the car has sea salt water for example
because apart from making people pay and killing them I do not see that there is ecological) and the cow who emits gauze and pollutes (the story of the cow is the worst that I have heard we wonder if its true ecological)

So nothing will be done except to sign an agreement which in poor countries there will be deaths.There are many points that could be improved or even modified in this agreement.
finally who will live will see as they say

warning I do not say biden will do nothing or other I only raise the points and the disagreement that I have on the assertion that they will do something more

I hope to succeed in making me understand sorry for my English I use google translator

 

[Joom]

wtf the page disappeared? it was on 4 mins ago

It's still there. Don't worry, though. These attempts at terrorism are happening everywhere, so we won't be starved of this lunacy.

 

[Lacius]

The US has considerable investments in the alternative/clean energy market, both public *and private*. We have achieved unprecedented levels of innovation and progress with our current research efforts, well-guided by some great scientific minds.

The great hurdle to making alternative/clean energy economical/practical is in energy storage, which is a very difficult engineering problem, not to be solved by any government policy.

The United States government isn't doing enough to tackle climate change, pure and simple. This is a problem that is getting worse in the US, not better.

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1. I don't really see that he can cope with a virus which even in countries led by democrats following the directives of the oms or other expert does not succeed so I can hardly see an old man doing anything more

2. before making any agreement fire the business that pollutes and that we do nothing to stop and that earns millions in money see billions and stop those who have jet deprived and Yachts who use them all the time for no reason or for small trip and stop throwing waste on the ground also stop mass hunting and deforestation
but all that will not be seen in this agreement, it will affect too many companies and people
then see further with agreements and not find the excuse of the electric car pollutes in addition to killing children and people from poor countries who will recover the necessary to manufacture this electric battery (yes pollutes less than those with gasoline and everything
but first make the other point that I have mentioned before
and find better like the car has sea salt water for example
because apart from making people pay and killing them I do not see that there is ecological) and the cow who emits gauze and pollutes (the story of the cow is the worst that I have heard we wonder if its true ecological)

So nothing will be done except to sign an agreement which in poor countries there will be deaths.There are many points that could be improved or even modified in this agreement.
finally who will live will see as they say

warning I do not say biden will do nothing or other I only raise the points and the disagreement that I have on the assertion that they will do something more

I hope to succeed in making me understand sorry for my English I use google translator

I understand English is your second language, but I listed what Biden can do, not what he will do.

 

[0x3000027E]

I'm not sure how much more clear I need to be on this. A law does not prevent you, me, or anyone else from freely doing what they wish. Fact. There is not even a debate to be had on this. End of story. Freedom does NOT equal freedom of consequence.

One of the problems here is the use of the word "freedom", which is far too general a concept for meaningful discussion. "Liberty" is the preferred term, since it is a concept of freedom that involves both the individual and the rule of law.

Ah, Semantics! (yes I am aware), but a necessary distinction, I'm sure you would agree!

 

[silien3]

The United States government isn't doing enough to tackle climate change, pure and simple. This is a problem that is getting worse in the US, not better.

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I understand English is your second language, but I listed what Biden can do, not what he will do.

as much for me as they say in his cases