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[McHaggis]

Imagine there were no patent laws in real life. You think there would be any advanced medications for sale? Nope, no company would invest R & D money, when any old company would be able to steal their IP.

What a ridiculously flawed comparison.

 

[justinkb]

Very nice example that you mentioned here - the patent law has greatly hindered pharmaceutical progress in the past and is partly responsible for millions of people dying in third world countries.

that is a very naive view, furthered by idealistic hippies generally.

pharmaceutical companies are businesses like any other: if there is no money to be made, the work will not be done, unless it funded otherwise.

 

[wiewcw]

@up
....mods... could you also consider close this thread?

 

[snikerz]

pharmaceutical companies are businesses like any other

That's pretty much the problem here, you correctly identified the problem.

 

[mr. fancypants]

@up
....mods... could you also consider close this thread?

why its just gettin funnier

 

[justinkb]

What a http://www.fiercepharmamanufacturing.com/story/when-it-comes-viagra-counterfeiters-just-can-get-enough/2013-08-07']ridiculously flawed[/URL] comparison.

I followed your (then broken) link. I don't see how it shows my comparison to be flawed, on the contrary in fact: it strengthens my point.

 

[mr. fancypants]

excuse me but going from gateway to moblie phones is ok but going from gateway to pharmaceutical companies is that not a bit too far-fetched

 

[justinkb]

excuse me but going from gateway to moblie phones is ok but going from gateway to pharmaceutical companies is that not a bit too far-fetched

analogy hurts your brain? ;-p

 

[McHaggis]

I followed your (then broken) link. I don't see how it shows my comparison to be flawed, on the contrary in fact: it strengthens my point.

Wait. You said:

Imagine there were no patent laws in real life. You think there would be any advanced medications for sale? Nope, no company would invest R & D money, when any old company would be able to steal their IP.

This is clearly an implication that Gateway are not worth "putting money into" if people are cloning their products. You're using the pharmaceutical industry as an analogous comparison, saying they would be equally as boned as Gateway if people were able to copy their products willy-nilly. I posted a link showing that the pharmaceutical industry is just as susceptible to copycats and clones and they survive just fine. In fact, Pfizer, the company who makes Viagra, is currently enjoying their highest share price in over 10 years. But of course, I'm sure that somehow strengthens your argument.

Oh, I get it. You're one of those people on the Internet who can't ever be wrong.

 

[hiron]

The fact that you can't disconnect the practical consequences of all this (in the context of flashcard clones) from the morality of piracy shows me you have a simple mind.

Attacking me wont make you more right. The fact that you cant see the analogy between these 2 just means you have double standards.

As mentioned above, patent isnt so black and white as you pretend to be. It has halted many developments as well. Energy source to replace oil? Shell buys the company and the technology is never to be seen again.

Look dude im not arguing whether patent is good or bad for mankind or solve the world problems blabla. Im just saying dont use patent as an argument to protect a company who makes products that lets you pirate games ok? Like I said....IRONY and HYPOCRISY.....

 

[mr. fancypants]

analogy hurts your brain? ;-p

why would that hurt? just trying to stop te derailing of this tread, but if you want to be something not-so-nice go on and irritate us more!

Oh, I get it. You're one of those people on the Internet who can't ever be wrong.

look i am not the only one who is irritated

 

[kyogre123]

As I said, R4i hasn't proven that they are capable to give support to their own 3DS clone cartS, that's why I found stupid the argument of the DS flashcart support.

 

[justinkb]

Wait. You said:

This is clearly an implication that Gateway are not worth "putting money into" if people are cloning their products. You're using the pharmaceutical industry as an analogous comparison, saying they would be equally as boned as Gateway if people were able to copy their products willy-nilly. I posted a link showing that the pharmaceutical industry is just as susceptible to copycats and clones and they survive just fine. In fact, Pfizer, the company who makes Viagra, is currently enjoying their highest share price in over 10 years. But of course, I'm sure that somehow strengthens your argument.

They survive because those who break the patent law are jailed, fined AND must REPAY the pharmaceutical companies. Your own link has all this information. Did you even read it yourself?

The patent law exists, and companies take advantage of it, which was my entire point to begin with! DUH.

 

[justinkb]

Attacking me wont make you more right. The fact that you cant see the analogy between these 2 just means you have double standards.

As mentioned above, patent isnt so black and white as you pretend to be. It has halted many developments as well. Energy source to replace oil? Shell buys the company and the technology is never to be seen again.

Look dude im not arguing whether patent is good or bad for mankind or solve the world problems blabla. Im just saying dont use patent as an argument to protect a company who makes products that lets you pirate games ok? Like I said....IRONY and HYPOCRISY.....

Again, from a purely practical point of view, I'm contrasting the situation of flashcards producers, which - due to their dubious legality - don't enjoy legal protection for their products (nor should they for the most part) with that in regular business, to illustrate the fallacy of the economics-impaired people who claim that having competitors (in the form of clones) is "good for the consumer". These people likely had some economics 101 course drill this concept into their brain, but several assumptions in the model don't apply here. That you drag hypocrisy into it again; I cannot fathom why, it's not even the issue being discussed - please read what is being said... /headdesk

 

[McHaggis]

They survive because those who break the patent law are jailed, fined AND must REPAY the pharmaceutical companies. Your own link has all this information. Did you even read it yourself?

Of course I did, but you obviously didn't. Either that or you just took a small amount from the entire context that looked like an argument in your favour and hoped nobody would notice. Some of the distributors of the counterfeit product were caught and are facing jail time, but the (Chinese) manufacturers are still happily duping away and many are still selling through online distributors.

 

[justinkb]

Of course I did, but you obviously didn't. Either that or you just took a small amount from the entire context that looked like an argument in your favour and hoped nobody would notice. Some of the distributors of the counterfeit product were caught and are facing jail time, but the (Chinese) manufacturers are still happily duping away and many are still selling through online distributors.

So because some criminals break the law and get away with it, that law has no function and everything would be as it is now if the law didn't exist. This must be the worst argument I ever heard (you don't win any prize, sadly), my friend.

 

[McHaggis]

So because some criminals break the law and get away with it, that law has no function and everything would be as it is now if the law didn't exist. This must be the worst argument I ever heard (you don't win any prize, sadly), my friend.

Now you're just starting to look a little pathetic because you're arguing with a point I was never trying to make. But, as I said, you're one of those people. Good luck with that.

 

[justinkb]

Now you're just starting to look a little pathetic because you're arguing with a point I was never trying to make. But, as I said, you're one of those people. Good luck with that.

I envisioned a scenario where patent law doesn't exist in the context of pharma.

You post a link to a pharmaceutical company doing well, despite some unavoidable counterfeiting, as if that meant the patent law might as well not exist.

I'm arguing exactly the point...

 

[McHaggis]

I envisioned a scenario where patent law doesn't exist in the context of pharma.

You post a link to a pharmaceutical company doing well, despite some unavoidable counterfeiting, as if that meant the patent law might as well not exist.

I'm arguing exactly the point...

Except my point wasn't that patent law might as well not exist. Of course, patent laws will deter some. Might point was that your comparison of 3DS flashcard copycats to the pharmaceutical industry was invalid because they are also subject to copycats and counterfeiters. And with that, I bid you a fond GTFO as I can see this would go on forever, otherwise.

 

[justinkb]

Except my point wasn't that patent law might as well not exist. Of course, patent laws will deter some. Might point was that your comparison of 3DS flashcard copycats to the pharmaceutical industry was invalid because they are also subject to copycats and counterfeiters. And with that, I bid you a fond GTFO as I can see this would go on forever, otherwise.

Note this part of your link:

When patent protection rolled off in Europe in June, 20 generic companies were ready to flood the market.

This pretty much destroys your entire argument. If patent law didn't exist, those companies would have flooded the market with viagra _TWENTY YEARS AGO_. The Viagra patent is quite old, that is why this is happening with it now.

I won't care if people start cloning Gateway in 2030, when all development of it has ceased long ago.