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[RedBlueGreen]

Yeah, because buying reduced items is the solution to racial inequality. How insulting and disgusting.

Not just reduced items, but also a bunch of crap nobody would normally buy. Honestly crap like this is disgusting. I'm getting sick of businesses attaching themselves to whatever the latest social issue is. Eventually it's going to be such a specific issue it sounds like a joke.

Sorry Humble, I don't think you care about Black people. You care about the PR you get from claiming to care about Black people and Black lives.

 

[Xzi]

Even if there was a certain amount of imbalance in terms of accusations and convictions there would have to be an incredible amount of bodies lying around somewhere because white people committed the murder and nobody daring to accuse them. 14% of the population committing half the murder CANNOT be explained by different levels of prosecution.

We were discussing all instances of violence/violent crime, not just murder. The only people who have historically been able to leave bodies lying around without consequences are police, who are mostly (but not entirely) white.

Really everything I've said in this thread is better summed up in Dave Chappelle's "8:46" special anyway. It's a must-watch for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, with the caveat that it's mostly serious stuff with a few jokes sprinkled throughout.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The only people who have historically been able to leave bodies lying around without consequences are police, who are mostly (but not entirely) white.

America is still 60+% European American, so this is not surprising.

We were discussing all instances of violence/violent crime, not just murder.

In both cases African Americans are highly overrepresented. Are you seriously denying their overrepresentation in general (in terms of violent crimes)? The statistics are out there, yearly updated, I can even look them up from within China. The statistics correspond with phenomena like the "knock-out game" and easier availability of videos showing African-Americans attacking people. The latter is not prove, but merely further minor evidence that supports overwhelming case for an overrepresentation in violent crimes. Yet this point is almost never brought up (excluding Sam Harris). This is a different form of privilege.

Look, I think we both want the situation for African Americans to improve. Taking away responsibility actually does the opposite. Why can´t you see that? The vast majority of media, African Americans, politicians and European Americans like you actually take away their agency. As if African Americans were a force of nature that cannot be questioned. Their culture has to change if they want to improve their standing in society. Promote education (an eduated African American is not "acting white"!!!), demote thuggery in movies, music and language and make sure African American boys grow up with a father at home. Boys will test the limits at a certain age.

 

[Xzi]

In both cases African Americans are highly overrepresented. Are you seriously denying their overrepresentation in general (in terms of violent crimes)?

That's precisely the problem, they're over-represented because law enforcement continues to target them at a higher rate. Most bar fights for example result in no charges to anybody, UNLESS there's a black person involved. As I already stated previously, multiple studies show that white people commit crimes at roughly the same rate as every other race/ethnicity. Either the cops need to start cracking down on white people more, or more preferably, they just need to ease the fuck up when it comes to their preconceived biases about black people. Local police departments also need to start looking more like the communities that they patrol, or even better, start recruiting exclusively from the communities that they patrol.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

That's precisely the problem, they're over-represented because law enforcement continues to target them at a higher rate.

Then why does the majority-white law enforcement target Asian Americans at a lower rate?

Either the cops need to start cracking down on white people more, or more preferably, they just need to ease the fuck up when it comes to their preconceived biases about black people.

This sentence shows that you start with your world-view and create the world (in your head) according to what it should be. I prefer starting with reality and then see how we can improve things.

Does law enforcement also need to ease the fuck up when it comes to looting? Because the videos show mostly African Americans looting stores. Or is that also a misconception on my part?

Local police departments also need to start looking more like the communities that they patrol, or even better, start recruiting exclusively from the communities that they patrol.

I´d love to see those all-white police departments in all-white neighborhoods. I`m sure they will not be called racist.
And while we are at it, let everyone demand to be treated by doctors and nurses of their racial prefence.

 

[Xzi]

Then why does the majority-white law enforcement target Asian Americans at a lower rate?

Generally they aren't seen as much of a threat by law enforcement due in part to stereotypes and in part due to their (mostly) leaner/smaller body types.

This sentence shows that you start with your world-view and create the world (in your head) according to what it should be. I prefer starting with reality and then see how we can improve things.

The reality is that law enforcement is biased, they've resisted reforms for decades, and they roll their eyes at sensitivity training.

Does law enforcement also need to ease the fuck up when it comes to looting? Because the videos show mostly African Americans looting stores. Or is that also a misconception on my part?

As I posted on page one, asset forfeiture made up 55% of all theft in the US in 2019. So yes, they do need to ease up on the looting, their own looting.

When it comes to riots and looting among the citizenry, it depends on what the make-up of the community being looted looks like. If the community is 75% black, you'll likely see 75% of the looters being black. The opposite is also true of white communities. Recent rioting/looting was mostly inspired by police brutality, but it's important to not forget that unemployment is also currently at a historic high. The government gave people $1200 to survive four months of quarantine, which is not nearly enough. People are starting to starve and get desperate for those reasons.

I´d love to see those all-white police departments in all-white neighborhoods.

That's already the case in a lot of all-white neighborhoods, gentrification has provided an "opportunity" to legally segregate the population in many areas.

And while we are at it, let everyone demand to be treated by doctors and nurses of their racial prefence.

Also already an option, everybody picks their own primary care physician. I prefer to pick mine based on qualifications rather than the fact that they share my race/ethnicity, but to each their own I guess.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Generally they aren't seen as much of a threat by law enforcement due in part to stereotypes and in part due to their (mostly) leaner/smaller body types.

But do they commit less crimes though? Are they less likely to resist arrest. I think both questions need to be answered with yes. If they can do it, so can African Americans.

The reality is that law enforcement is biased, they've resisted reforms for decades, and they roll their eyes at sensitivity training.

I´m glad I am not a police officer. I think people do not take sensitivitiy training seriously when their lives are on the line every day.

When it comes to riots and looting among the citizenry, it depends on what the make-up of the community being looted looks like. If the community is 75% black, you'll likely see 75% of the looters being black. The opposite is also true of white communities. Recent rioting/looting was mostly inspired by police brutality, but it's important to not forget that unemployment is also currently at a historic high. The government gave people $1200 to survive four months of quarantine, which is not nearly enough. People are starting to starve and get desperate for those reasons.

Fair points.

Also already an option, everybody picks their own primary care physician. I prefer to pick mine based on qualifications rather than the fact that they share my race/ethnicity, but to each their own I guess.

Are you implying that I have this opinion? My statement was sarcasm. But it will become reality if people demand things like "police needs to be XYZ".

 

[pustal]

Then why does the majority-white law enforcement target Asian Americans at a lower rate?

I posted a documentary on the matter on my comment above.

The whole thing about institutionalized racism is that it can pick a race, and there is a lot of history on this regard with the black community that explains it that doesn't exist with the Asian community. Watch the documentary for details.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Watch the documentary for details.

I can´t watch the documentary. Can you explain the gist of it?

 

[Xzi]

But do they commit less crimes though? Are they less likely to resist arrest. I think both questions need to be answered with yes. If they can do it, so can African Americans.

I mean, the same could be said about white people needing to take cues from Asian cultures...Japan has close to zero violent crime and/or gun deaths per year. Changing things for the better in America requires effort from all races and ethnic groups living here, but that doesn't change the fact that our criminal justice system has plenty of problems of its own that can only be resolved from inside of it.

I´m glad I am not a police officer. I think people do not take sensitivitiy training seriously when their lives are on the line every day.

That's a seriously problematic attitude given that police officers are also putting other peoples' lives on the line every day. If they want trust and respect from the community, it's time to set aside their pride/sense of entitlement and start taking that training to heart. Otherwise all they're doing is continuing to build more animus toward themselves.

 

[FGFlann]

I don't know if that's the path you want to go down. Japan owes its low crime rate to its cultural homogeneity. If 'white people' are to take cues from them, then it's time to eliminate the idea of multiculturalism and start getting everyone to conform to their acceptable social norms.

 

[Xzi]

I don't know if that's the path you want to go down. Japan owes its low crime rate to its cultural homogeneity. If 'white people' are to take cues from them, then it's time to eliminate the idea of multiculturalism and start getting everyone to conform to their acceptable social norms.

Actually, if you want to take things to that extreme, it would mean ridding this country of everybody except Native Americans. I know from a certain perspective it's easy to forget that white people were violent invaders to this land, but yeah.

Regardless, I said "take cues" from Asian cultures, not replicate everything about them.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I mean, the same could be said about white people needing to take cues from Asian cultures...

Exactly. We do. And I have criticized people of my own ethnicity constanly. I do not view it as betrayal. We can also learn a lot from Jews, for example.

I don't know if that's the path you want to go down. Japan owes its low crime rate to its cultural homogeneity. If 'white people' are to take cues from them, then it's time to eliminate the idea of multiculturalism and start getting everyone to conform to their acceptable social norms.

That´s impossible for the US. African Americans are just as entitled as Eurpean Americans to be in the US. Of course, a seperation would sadly be possible in theory, and in my view, BLM and others are actually boosting this idea. After all, there can be no white privilege in an all-black country. I have recently listened to a debate in which an African-American expressed the desire for separation and the white "ally" said "but that´s what the white supremacists want!" and then he said "so what?"

 

[FGFlann]

Actually, if you want to take things to that extreme, it would mean ridding this country of everybody except Native Americans. I know from a certain perspective it's easy to forget that white people were violent invaders to this land, but yeah.

Regardless, I said "take cues" from Asian cultures, not replicate everything about them.

Bad Xzi, it was your proposal that 'white people' take these cues. So if they want to take the cues they need to do what actually creates the low crime rate. Don't forget to punish yourself for your white supremacist views later on.

 

[Xzi]

Bad Xzi, it was your proposal that 'white people' take these cues. So if they want to take the cues they need to do what actually creates the low crime rate.

Right, and you're way off base if you think the only thing which keeps crime rates low in Asian countries is cultural homogeneity. Everything from the absence of a gun fetish and the way their law enforcement is structured, to the fact that they actually take pride in their country and have much stricter laws against littering, is superior to the way the US does things.

Certain white people in this country love to play the victim while still retaining positions of power and the ability to change things. Nowhere is this more evident than in law enforcement. To quote the White Stripes, "white Americans, what, nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out, you're an immigrant too. Who's using who, what should we do? Well you can't be a pimp and a prostitute too."

 

[FGFlann]

Right, and you're way off base if you think the only thing which keeps crime rates low in Asian countries is cultural homogeneity. Everything from the absence of a gun fetish and the way their law enforcement is structured, to the fact that they actually take pride in their country and have much stricter laws against littering, is superior to the way the US does things.

Certain white people in this country love to play the victim while still retaining positions of power and the ability to change things. Nowhere is this more evident than in law enforcement. To quote the White Stripes, "white Americans, what, nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out, you're an immigrant too. Who's using who, what should we do? Well you can't be a pimp and a prostitute too."

You're plain wrong. Cultural makeup is everything in a society. Attitudes toward guns are also cultural. What would you say to a society that has high gun ownership but has a low rate of gun crime, like Switzerland? Guns don't make people violent. Japan functions as it does because it unites the majority of people under a set of unifying principles and ideals, a functional monoculture where that majority understands and agrees on what is right, wrong and what is expected of the individual. The western world is losing that as it continues to draw lines based on arbitrary affiliations and encourages the growth of sub-cultures that are functionally incompatible with each other, resistant to order and breeders of disharmony, to the point where short-sighted activists will defend criminal behaviour along racial lines and demonize those who are charged with keeping the peace and enforcing the law, with no sense for the consideration of nuance.

 

[Xzi]

Cultural makeup is everything in a society. Attitudes toward guns are also cultural. What would you say to a society that has high gun ownership but has a low rate of gun crime, like Switzerland? Guns don't make people violent.

In other words, you're suggesting that white people in America are far more violent than their Scandinavian counterparts, and that will always be the case? I choose not to believe that, people and cultures CAN change for the better, but it's never easy or convenient. Especially when you've got a large, vocal group of white Americans who believe that granting equal rights and freedoms to minorities somehow takes away from their own rights and freedoms.

 

[pustal]

I can´t watch the documentary. Can you explain the gist of it?

The documentary is about how the 13rd Amendment detail that all men are free and can't be property except in case of commiting a crime is explored by corporations to get free labour or simply to make money from overincarceration.


The first part is about the setting, how from the end of slavery it came to prosecution, "The Birth of A Nation" and all that.

By the end of slavery the South started to exploring this. The economy had been previously based on free labour and it wasn't prepared to deal with the shift so suddenly, so it used prision workers. At the same time it started going about arresting people for as simple things as wandering around.

Then going over the dehumanization of black people, lynching and all that, to segregation and the civil rights movement and all the issues around that time.

The core of the documentary however starts with Nixon's policies and how he created ALEC. ALEC created a powerful lobby influence between coorporations and government (both federal and state) and is responsible for most laws regarding mass incarceration. At first it had companies like Coca-Cola and alike that ended up distancing due to the nasty things they were involved but among the few groups that stayed, there are the ones that own private prisions, benefit from prison labour, provide prisons food, etc.

ALEC basically redacts their own laws and give them to politicians to sign them. Some of the most damaging ones were signed by Clinton, but they been screwing things up since Nixon to the present day. Since black people were already a dehumanized community by many, it target it since early to increase prisioners.

It also rode on Nixon's war on drugs designed to hit particularly black people and hippies. It associated the black community with heroin and hippies with pot and cracked on that night after night.

ALEC is responsible for police overfunding and police having to deal with tasks that should be relayed on other professionals, voter suppression, prosecution overpowering (like creating minimal mandatory penalties, taking that power away from judges), increase in penality severities, etc.

 

[MadonnaProject]

Not just reduced items, but also a bunch of crap nobody would normally buy. Honestly crap like this is disgusting. I'm getting sick of businesses attaching themselves to whatever the latest social issue is. Eventually it's going to be such a specific issue it sounds like a joke.

Sorry Humble, I don't think you care about Black people. You care about the PR you get from claiming to care about Black people and Black lives.

Thank you.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

itch.io had alot of crap games , thats why it was 5 bucks.

Not to mention a lot of the games in the itch.io bundle were free to begin with.