UK police warns those who post "hate crime" and threatens users with "criminal offences"

[MadMageKefka]

Nice strawman.

I'm not asking for people to censor everything. Just punishing those who would attempt to cause hate.

Why stop there? Once they can censor that, whats to stop them from censoring anything else? You know the saying "give them an inch and they'll take a mile."

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Yes, but it's not a very good deterrent for some people, either.

So what? To build a cohesive society you can't have everyone hating each other. It doesnt matter if those who do it don't care. By not caring they'll pay the price in jail and their chances at a life will be gone.

 

[WeedZ]

It's always interesting to see this "freedom matters" post. In the end, I would remove my freedom to hate any day of the week if it means that I don't cause unnecessary hatred.

I'm baffled. You can't remove hate. That's a ridiculous thing to even suggest. Just like you can't remove ignorance. Just be a good person, not that hard. What you're suggesting is removing the freedom of others. Something people value and take seriously. Something thousands of people died for. That makes you the bad guy.

 

[CallmeBerto]

Nice strawman.

I'm not asking for people to censor everything. Just punishing those who would attempt to cause hate.

I would have to ask what do you mean by "attempt to cause hate"

Do you mean something like "all Faqs should be killed who is with me?" along with meet up dates? - If so then I would have to agree.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Why stop there? Once they can censor that, whats to stop them from censoring anything else? You know the saying "give them an inch and they'll take a mile."

That's an issue with corruption. Not the idea I am proposing.

 

[the_randomizer]

Nice strawman.

I'm not asking for people to censor everything. Just punishing those who would attempt to cause hate.

Why not those dumbass celebrities who make violent threats against leaders in power? Like Madonna or the like? Why aren't they getting punished for threatening to blow up the White House?

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

I would have to ask what do you mean by "attempt to cause hate"

Do you mean something like "all Faqs should be killed who is with me?" along with meet up dates? - If so then I would have to agree.

Yup.

 

[MadMageKefka]

That's an issue with corruption. Not the idea I am proposing.

Well.... its also a problem with the idea youre proposing. You need to look at the big picture. Actions have consequences.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Why not those dumbass celebrities who make violent threats against leaders in power? Like Madonna or the like? Why are they getting punished for threatening to blow up the White House?

That's because of your failing democratic system.

 

[MadMageKefka]

That's because of your failing democratic system.

Celebrities saying stupid shit has NOTHING to do with our form of government, lmao. What are you even talking about at this point?

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Well.... its also a problem with the idea youre proposing. You need to look at the big picture. Actions have consequences.

Exactly. And pen on paper is an action is it not? Simply put, there should be fail safes to stop complete censorship from ever happening.
I'd rather a society that is cohesive rather than fragmented by belief.

 

[the_randomizer]

That's because of your failing democratic system.

Yeah, I totally have a choice of where I was born and raised in, you think the UK government is any better off, what with that May wanting to control the internet? Pot calling kettle black much? No government is perfect, no country has a good justice system either, so there's that.

Let me just get the money I don't have and move over to the EU.

 

[Pacheko17]

@WeedZ
25.5 per 100,000 is not 2400%.
You're simply wrong. Very wrong.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Yeah, I totally have a choice of where I was born and raised in, you think the UK government is any better off, what with that May wanting to control the internet?

I thought that was just an example.

Anyway, if you're being serious, they're probably not being punished because they're rich.

 

[MadMageKefka]

Exactly. And pen on paper is an action is it not? Simply put, there should be fail safes to stop complete censorship from ever happening.
I'd rather a society that is cohesive rather than fragmented by belief.

Yea, just look how well those fail-safes worked in the past....
2nd amendment, anyone?

 

[WeedZ]

25.5 per 100,000 is not 2400%.
You're simply wrong. Very wrong.

First, you have to take the latest which is 34."4" I believe. Then take sweden. 1.4 per 100,000. Then

100%/x%=1.4/34
(100/x)*x=(1.4/34)*x
100=0.041176470588235*x (0.041176470588235)
100/0.041176470588235=x
2428.5714285714=x

x=2428.5714285714

About 2400

 

[the_randomizer]

I thought that was just an example.

Anyway, if you're being serious, they're probably not being punished because they're rich.

And most celebrities are dumbasses anyway, threatening to leave the country just because their precious candidate didn't win. Boo hoo.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Do the math! - Atari

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Yea, just look how well those fail-safes worked in the past....
1st amendment, anyone?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

You do know there are other political systems other than America's, right?
Simply put, stopping hate speech requires a government that sticks to only stopping that one thing and not trying to over reach.

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And most celebrities are dumbasses anyway, threatening to leave the country just because their precious candidate didn't win. Boo hoo.

Not disagreeing

 

[the_randomizer]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

You do know there are other political systems other than America's, right?
Simply put, stopping hate speech requires a government that sticks to only stopping that one thing and not trying to over reach.

And why should the government be responsible for what people are responsible for? Citizens should be responsible for what citizens do, government shouldn't be in control, they can't be trusted in any way, shape or form.