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After seeing a Reddit post of a girl asking how to do thin eyebrows and heavy eye shadows... I couldn't help but think about something I'm curious about: old people have lost the surprise factor we had back in the 80s/90s.

This idea came because that girl asking for help with makeup posted very typical mid 90s pics of women's fashion. Then I thought, that back then everything was evolving rapidly.
From general culture, ideas, TV, videogames, movies, technology, internet, fashion, etc.

Nowadays I feel that "SoCieTy" is stuck with old ideas (2010 to now hasn't changed in my opinion) compared to the 90s, I feel like it's a regression in every way.
Now, something kinda contradictory; nowadays people can't focus in anything, nothing lasts, and at the same time, it was the same "quickly evolving" process in the 90s. But back then at least we had the faculty to get surprised.
It's hard to explain that feeling. It was similar to being naive but not in the literal meaning.

Am I the only one feeling like this? I'd like to read the opinion from old people (90s kids and prior) before this turns into a "bOoMeRs vs mIllEniAls aNd GeNz" or whatever that stupid shit means.

Another idea, and I'm being very serious; I can't remember having the need to label entire "generations" back then. As far as I remember getting labeled were as "Rockers vs Poppers", "Rich vs Poor", "Nintendo vs Sega/Playstation", "New vs Old", "Transparent Plastic vs Non Transparent Plastic", but I don't remember inventing stupid words to determine an entire ideology within a closed age range. Maybe I was too young to realize if we did had "labels" so please let me know.

Back then it was good manners to greet people as "Good Morning Sir/Ma'am" whilst nowadays It's an insult for "aSSuMiNg gEndEr". God damn.
 

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Well, you just described your surprise because of "pronouns".

It's not that world is not changing, it's not changing in the way you want and you are living your life avoiding those things, sticking to your old routines. And that's why you see that "nothing is changing" since those changes are not monothematical and widespread anymore. We have achieved already everything that was possible to achieve "easy way" (aka you don't need super duper fast chips to find it, and R&D cost + manpower increased significantly) + entertainment industry doesn't like now sudden changes because it's too risky to invest in anything, so they force masses to stick to their most profitable parts of industry with marketing.

Now we have tons of tools to use for our entertainment, there are many more diverse small hobbyist groups than in 70s-90s, but most people as always are sticking to only some little part of entertainment industry because of economical and societal reasons directed by that industry, and they are good at leveraging nostalgia.

Congratulations, you are being aware of converting to old geezer :D

Btw. "Baby boomers" and "Generation X" terms emerged before you were born.
 
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Certified 'old geezer' here (Gen X'er)!
I'm in definite agreement with you @JuanMena ...take all the innovations in music of the last quarter of the last century, the massive variety of genre's that were developed in those 25 years, and compare that to the first quarter of this century; there's nothing new, no distinctly new genre's, just slight variations on what we already had.
Similar story for the film industry - the studio system took risks and had a variety of budgets, whereas now almost all major Hollywood studio productions are +$100m formulaic copypasta blockbusters.
I can't even begin to unravel the downfall of the gaming industry, with development cycles that are longer than console generations.
The changes aren't all for the worse though. It's now much easier to be a musician, or a film maker, and find an audience without reliance on the corporations. The way information has become accessible via the internet over the last 30 years is a massive positive, allowing people to connect across the globe, and providing essential resources for education and carreer development.

...so, pop culture died and got replaced by memes... and the worst part is, nobody, including me, cares.
 

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Certified 'old geezer' here (Gen X'er)!
I'm in definite agreement with you @JuanMena ...take all the innovations in music of the last quarter of the last century, the massive variety of genre's that were developed in those 25 years, and compare that to the first quarter of this century; there's nothing new, no distinctly new genre's, just slight variations on what we already had.
Similar story for the film industry - the studio system took risks and had a variety of budgets, whereas now almost all major Hollywood studio productions are +$100m formulaic copypasta blockbusters.
I can't even begin to unravel the downfall of the gaming industry, with development cycles that are longer than console generations.
The changes aren't all for the worse though. It's now much easier to be a musician, or a film maker, and find an audience without reliance on the corporations. The way information has become accessible via the internet over the last 30 years is a massive positive, allowing people to connect across the globe, and providing essential resources for education and carreer development.

...so, pop culture died and got replaced by memes... and the worst part is, nobody, including me, cares.
Dubstep?
Not saying it's good, but it's certainly new.
 

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The late, great Douglas Adams once said:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to [new things]:

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.


Apply this list to [any new development] to work out how old you are.”

So if you find yourself bemoaning the "good old days", don't worry, it's just a normal, natural part of becoming decrepit.
 

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Dubstep?
Not saying it's good, but it's certainly new.
According to Wikipedia...
Dubstep is a genre of electronic dance music that originated in South London in the early 2000s. The style emerged as a UK garage offshoot[1] that blended 2-step rhythms and sparse dub production, as well as incorporating elements of broken beat, grime, and drum and bass.[2] In the United Kingdom, the origins of the genre can be traced back to the growth of the Jamaican sound system party scene in the early 1980s.
...so, it's a genre that emerged at the end of the last century as an offshoot (ie variation) of existing genres. EDM has been pretty stagnant since the turn of the century.
 

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Certified 'old geezer' here (Gen X'er)!
I'm in definite agreement with you @JuanMena ...take all the innovations in music of the last quarter of the last century, the massive variety of genre's that were developed in those 25 years, and compare that to the first quarter of this century; there's nothing new, no distinctly new genre's, just slight variations on what we already had.
Similar story for the film industry - the studio system took risks and had a variety of budgets, whereas now almost all major Hollywood studio productions are +$100m formulaic copypasta blockbusters.
I can't even begin to unravel the downfall of the gaming industry, with development cycles that are longer than console generations.
The changes aren't all for the worse though. It's now much easier to be a musician, or a film maker, and find an audience without reliance on the corporations. The way information has become accessible via the internet over the last 30 years is a massive positive, allowing people to connect across the globe, and providing essential resources for education and carreer development.

...so, pop culture died and got replaced by memes... and the worst part is, nobody, including me, cares.

I believe you're looking in all the wrong places for music and movies.
 

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I believe you're looking in all the wrong places for music and movies.
I agree. I was born in 1983, and keep an open mind to how society has evolved, and I feel like movies peaked in the 90's through the 2000's, because they were all about having fun and taking risks; Which is a bit more rare nowadays. Now they continuously pump out crap, they know it will be crap, and they still publish the crap, and then act surprised when the crap flops... (Looking at you, cash-grab direct-to-video sequels.)
 

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I believe you're looking in all the wrong places for music and movies.
Enlighten me as to any truly new genre of music that has developed since the turn of the century - pretty sure, at best, it will just be a sub-genre of something from the last century.
As for movies... note that I specifically referenced the Hollywood studio system... my personal taste in movies is mainly foreign language and independent cinema as well as classic cinema from the previous century.
 

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Btw. "Baby boomers" and "Generation X" terms emerged before you were born.
Interesting. Those denominations were never a thing over here (Mexico) so I'm guessing the current "labeling" people's been using is a result of them being on the Internet too much.


Well, you just described your surprise because of "pronouns".
It's not the same. I'm not "surprised" and it's not the same kind of surprise.

It's not that world is not changing, it's not changing in the way you want and you are living your life avoiding those things, sticking to your old routines. And that's why you see that "nothing is changing" since those changes are not monothematical and widespread anymore. We have achieved already everything that was possible to achieve "easy way" (aka you don't need super duper fast chips to find it, and R&D cost + manpower increased significantly) + entertainment industry doesn't like now sudden changes because it's too risky to invest in anything, so they force masses to stick to their most profitable parts of industry with marketing.

Now we have tons of tools to use for our entertainment, there are many more diverse small hobbyist groups than in 70s-90s, but most people as always are sticking to only some little part of entertainment industry because of economical and societal reasons directed by that industry, and they are good at leveraging nostalgia.
I disagree. I honestly don't give an f about "it's not changing the way you want" because I don't have the power to change things by myself.
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Certified 'old geezer' here (Gen X'er)!
I'm in definite agreement with you @JuanMena ...take all the innovations in music of the last quarter of the last century, the massive variety of genre's that were developed in those 25 years, and compare that to the first quarter of this century; there's nothing new, no distinctly new genre's, just slight variations on what we already had.
Similar story for the film industry - the studio system took risks and had a variety of budgets, whereas now almost all major Hollywood studio productions are +$100m formulaic copypasta blockbusters.
I can't even begin to unravel the downfall of the gaming industry, with development cycles that are longer than console generations.
The changes aren't all for the worse though. It's now much easier to be a musician, or a film maker, and find an audience without reliance on the corporations. The way information has become accessible via the internet over the last 30 years is a massive positive, allowing people to connect across the globe, and providing essential resources for education and carreer development.

...so, pop culture died and got replaced by memes... and the worst part is, nobody, including me, cares.
Regarding your first idea of music not changing, I think it's kinda the same. For instance, lots of 90s pop songs were remakes from the 70s, and a lot of 90s music used 70s disco as their base.
Nowadays though, music is indeed monotonous, and lyrics couldn't be any more stupider. So yeah, there's a decadence in that sense because people nowadays don't know better.

About movies, it's the same too. How many movies had the same fucking actor in them? Willis? Stallone? Schwarzenegger? Brad Pitt? Denzel?
I could go with a lot of other names. In my opinion, movies were only good in the 60s and prior.
I do appreciate a good 90s and 00s movie, but they've been stuck since then.
I do believe nowadays is much worse because shitty writing, shitty acting and shitty stories.

About games, I honestly don't feel qualified as all I've played for the past 20 years is Wii and prior.
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Ahh, the 90's... Bangs, Glamour Shots... Brown lipstick...
Such good times.
People really dared a lot back then. And people were a lot more private. We all kept to ourselves and I remember being more friendly towards each other. Nowadays I feel people has to pick sides and be intolerant against other sides. Problem is, people relies a lot on radicalism.
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The late, great Douglas Adams once said:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to [new things]:

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.


Apply this list to [any new development] to work out how old you are.”

So if you find yourself bemoaning the "good old days", don't worry, it's just a normal, natural part of becoming decrepit.

Veho: "I was cool before but now I'm not. And the same will happen to you!"
 
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I'd like to read the opinion from old people (90s kids and prior)...

Wait, people who grew up in the 90's are old? When did that happen?

there's nothing new, no distinctly new genre's, just slight variations on what we already had.

I've been listening to bluegrass metal recently... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Well, you just described your surprise because of "pronouns".

It's not that world is not changing, it's not changing in the way you want and you are living your life avoiding those things, sticking to your old routines. And that's why you see that "nothing is changing" since those changes are not monothematical and widespread anymore. We have achieved already everything that was possible to achieve "easy way" (aka you don't need super duper fast chips to find it, and R&D cost + manpower increased significantly) + entertainment industry doesn't like now sudden changes because it's too risky to invest in anything, so they force masses to stick to their most profitable parts of industry with marketing.

Now we have tons of tools to use for our entertainment, there are many more diverse small hobbyist groups than in 70s-90s, but most people as always are sticking to only some little part of entertainment industry because of economical and societal reasons directed by that industry, and they are good at leveraging nostalgia.

Congratulations, you are being aware of converting to old geezer :D

Btw. "Baby boomers" and "Generation X" terms emerged before you were born.

I think this sums it up nicely, even if worded in a somewhat aggressive/accusatory manner.

I think the prevalence of always-available, high-speed internet access, combined with default-on, individually personalized recommendation engines (both of which started to become a reality at the end of the 2000's, beginning of the 2010's) have contributed greatly to the fragmentation of pop culture and perhaps the feeling of sameness that OP is referring to. I think that, within the infinite number of communities and niches that are now able to exist and thrive in parallel thanks to the internet and social media, things have still continued moving and evolving at their ordinary pace (maybe/probably even faster), but the number of new ideas and communities that each of us are exposed to as a function of time has perhaps decreased. Further, discovering and existing with new cliques or interests actually requires active effort now instead of just naturally ebbing and flowing like the cultural zeitgeists of the last century. This is (was?) referred to as the "discoverability problem" for anything related to search and recommendation engines.

With all that being said, I will definitely say that gaming, specifically, really hasn't seen a lot of innovation in the past decade or so (at least, relative to the 1980's-2000's). But I would say this is a unique case and is more related to hitting up against the limitations of the medium (2D displays) than anything else.
 

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The late, great Douglas Adams once said:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to [new things]:

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.


Apply this list to [any new development] to work out how old you are.”

So if you find yourself bemoaning the "good old days", don't worry, it's just a normal, natural part of becoming decrepit.

Gotta love Douglas Adams, every time I read his work it sends me reeling off of my couch or bed. Take your pick! Dude, I bet they buried him with a towel...
 

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