Some Democrats calling for Biden to stand down in 2024

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With polls showing a strong lead for Trump in several swing states, some within the democratic party are now calling for Biden to stand down in 2024 and allow other contenders to make their case for president

Andrew Yang who attempted to cinch the 2020 nomination says Biden risks going down in history as the person who allowed a second Trump presidency

Polling for alternative nominees is not widely done, but polls show Kamala and Sanders trailing behind Trump as well - with closer races between potential candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren

"Unnamed democrat" led Trump by 8 points in polling, underscoring Biden's potential electability issues

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/biden-trump-poll-democrats-swing-states

 

[lolcatzuru]

this will never happen, joe is the single greatest president, scratch that, human to ever live, which is why he won more votes then anyone on this side of the planet, not only should he not drop out, but, we should all aspire to be more like him.

 

[sarkwalvein]

He should first be able to stand up...

I mean, without tripping over whatever is laying around.

 

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this will never happen, joe is the single greatest president, scratch that, human to ever live, which is why he won more votes then anyone on this side of the planet, not only should he not drop out, but, we should all aspire to be more like him.

The population of the USA is always growing, it's very common in a 4 or 8 year span to beat the record for most votes - because more people are available to vote

 

[Xzi]

Polling for alternative nominees is not widely done, but polls show Kamala and Sanders trailing behind Trump as well - with closer races between potential candidates such as Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren

"Unnamed democrat" led Trump by 8 points in polling, underscoring Biden's potential electability issues

This just further reinforces that polling at this stage is unreliable. Sanders is the progressive dream candidate and Biden the moderate dream candidate, so unless "unnamed Democrat" can simultaneously be more progressive than Bernie and more conservative than Biden, all it indicates is that people aren't particularly happy with any of their choices. That's been the case for the last two elections as well. People don't coalesce into two distinct camps until about three months from the election.

 

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This just further reinforces that polling at this stage is unreliable. Sanders is the progressive dream candidate and Biden the moderate dream candidate, so unless "unnamed Democrat" can simultaneously be more progressive than Bernie and more conservative than Biden, all it indicates is that people aren't particularly happy with any of their choices. That's been the case for the last two elections as well. People don't coalesce into two distinct camps until about three months from the election.

People want a moderate democrat, but they don't want Biden because of the state of the economy over the past 3 years - also concerns about his age

Buttigieg is another establishment Democrat and he was polling more favorably (which makes sense, no baggage, much younger, good public speaker)

Unfortunately Bernie is too far to the left for a lot of people to stomach

 

[TraderPatTX]

Maybe the Democrats should have a primary and let the voters decide? Oh wait, they are not allowing that to happen. So much for democracy. Another bullshit lie from the left.

 

[Xzi]

People want a moderate democrat, but they don't want Biden because of the state of the economy over the past 3 years

I agree corporate greed is out of control post-COVID, but we've seen a large resurgence of unions during the Biden administration, and the government has been in support of that to some extent. If people really believe Republicans won't side 100% with corporations and against unionization, they're deluding themselves.

also concerns about his age

Non-issue when running against a guy that looks twice his age without makeup or the ridiculous wig. Trump's diet and lack of an exercise routine also aren't doing anything to help his mental acuity.

Unfortunately Bernie is too far to the left for a lot of people to stomach

I don't think so, he would've beat Trump in 2016. The establishment doesn't want to give him the nomination because he'd inevitably piss off their corporate sponsors too much.

Buttigieg is another establishment Democrat and he was polling more favorably (which makes sense, no baggage, much younger, good public speaker)

I think he topped out at like 5% support in the primary. If you want me to give an alternative, it'd probably have to be Gavin Newsom. Straight-up just looks presidential, and is sharp enough to easily shut down anybody in the Republican field in debates. I doubt he'll cross Joe by trying to primary him, though.

 

[AkikoKumagara]

I can't imagine a scenario where I'd vote for Trump over any Democrat, even if they're very much just a standard-ass safe moderate. Obviously I'd prefer a progressive, but if they're running against someone who had a tantrum and took undeniable steps to overthrow our democratic process, I don't mind voting for whoever the frontrunner on the other side of that is.

They'd have to be a straight up fascist posing as/running as a Democratic candidate and somehow weasel their way to the front of the party to change my mind, and I don't think that's something that has any realistic chance of happening.

Also, Bernie definitely isn't too far left for most people, some of them just get scared off by the term "socialist".

 

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I agree corporate greed is out of control post-COVID, but we've seen a large resurgence of unions during the Biden administration, and the government has been in support of that to some extent. If people really believe Republicans won't side 100% with corporations and against unionization, they're deluding themselves.


Non-issue when running against a guy that looks twice his age without makeup or the ridiculous wig. Trump's diet and lack of an exercise routine also aren't doing anything to help his mental acuity.


I don't think so, he would've beat Trump in 2016. The establishment doesn't want to give him the nomination because he'd inevitably piss off their corporate sponsors too much.


I think he topped out at like 5% support in the primary. If you want me to give an alternative, it'd probably have to be Gavin Newsom. Straight-up just looks presidential, and is sharp enough to easily shut down anybody in the Republican field in debates. I doubt he'll cross Joe by trying to primary him, though.

Average Joes unfortunately don't care much for unions, not in my state anyway. People have been convinced that they aren't helpful/just collect dues and don't do anything

Of course you can say age is a non issue, but voters overwhelmingly say Biden is too old - you can find that data easily. For whatever reason people aren't concerned about Trump's age despite the fact they are nearly the same age

Facts don't matter in these contests as much as people's feelings do

You can say Bernie would win, but the polls I saw he fares worse against Trump than even Biden does and is shown losing by big margins. I like Bernie too, but you can't let your own idea of Bernie cloud reality

Speaking of Newsom, he also did pretty well in head to head polling against Trump and I agree he would be a good candidate. I think this election we need a democratic primary to pick an electable candidate

 

[AkikoKumagara]

you can't let your own idea of Bernie cloud reality

That's unfortunately what a lot of moderates do, too, though. Likely why he wasn't polling great.

 

[SylverReZ]

Biden is way too old to be a president. He's starting to develop dementia, to the point that there are videos that show him looking confused, not knowing where to exactly go.

 

[Xzi]

Average Joes unfortunately don't care much for unions, not in my state anyway. People have been convinced that they aren't helpful/just collect dues and don't do anything

That's not the case in blue and purple states. Red states need to be able to figure out that there's a reason they've been impoverished for so long.

Of course you can say age is a non issue, but voters overwhelmingly say Biden is too old - you can find that data easily. For whatever reason people aren't concerned about Trump's age despite the fact they are nearly the same age

If old age was a genuine issue then neither Biden nor Trump ever would've been elected in the first place. The US traditionally loves old candidates for president.

Facts don't matter in these contests as much as people's feelings do

Correct, and the vast majority of people are numb to politics at the moment. Nobody wants election season to last two years, IE perpetually.

You can say Bernie would win, but the polls I saw he fares worse against Trump than even Biden does and is shown losing by big margins.

And polls in 2016, closer to the election, showed him winning against Trump by 4-5 points. He got applause multiple times on Fox News. M4A was a big no-no for corporate Dems, and so they all coalesced around Hillary even though no woman could've won that election, let alone one with that much baggage.

Speaking of Newsom, he also did pretty well in head to head polling against Trump and I agree he would be a good candidate. I think this election we need a democratic primary to pick an electable candidate

Problem is that all the moderate Democrats rallied around Biden last election cycle, and they aren't gonna turn against him now, especially not those with positions in his administration. The incumbent generally has a pretty sizable advantage in elections, too. If polling is just as bad next summer, then perhaps the DNC will panic. I wouldn't count on it, though.

 

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That's not the case in blue and purple states. Red states need to be able to figure out that there's a reason they've been impoverished for so long.


If old age was a genuine issue then neither Biden nor Trump ever would've been elected in the first place. The US traditionally loves old candidates for president.


Correct, and the vast majority of people are numb to politics at the moment. Nobody wants election season to last two years, IE perpetually.


And polls in 2016, closer to the election, showed him winning against Trump by 4-5 points. He got applause multiple times on Fox News. M4A was a big no-no for corporate Dems, and so they all coalesced around Hillary even though no woman could've won that election, let alone one with that much baggage.


Problem is that all the moderate Democrats rallied around Biden last election cycle, and they aren't gonna turn against him now, especially not those with positions in his administration. The incumbent generally has a pretty sizable advantage in elections, too. If polling is just as bad next summer, then perhaps the DNC will panic. I wouldn't count on it, though.

You can say old age isn't an issue, but voters consistently say it's a reason they don't want Biden to run. You can't just pretend that issue isn't there because you don't want to look at it

The polling in 2016 was notably bad, and everyone accepts that

We'll see how polls continue to develop, if it becomes obvious Biden would lose by massive margins by early next year they'll have to figure something out

 

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Isn't Andrew Yang basically a libertarian who ran as a democrat? I wouldn't take him seriously.

 

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Isn't Andrew Yang basically a libertarian who ran as a democrat? I wouldn't take him seriously.

I don't take people seriously who think giving everyone basic government salary is a libertarian

do you know what libertarianism is??? small govt and minimal taxes doesn't mesh well with "give everyone thousands of dollars every month as basic income"

libertarians often don't even support libraries for heaven's sake

 

[AkikoKumagara]

The UBI proposition was the only thing about Yang I really liked

 

[Darth Meteos]

as he bloody should

 

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I don't take people seriously who think giving everyone basic government salary is a libertarian

do you know what libertarianism is??? small govt and minimal taxes doesn't mesh well with "give everyone thousands of dollars every month as basic income"

libertarians often don't even support libraries for heaven's sake

I see I am mistaken. He apparently left the democrat party to become a "centrist"

My original point still stands that he probably isn't one to take seriously in regards to the claim that democrats are calling for him to step down given that he no longer identifies as one.

 

[Xzi]

You can say old age isn't an issue, but voters consistently say it's a reason they don't want Biden to run. You can't just pretend that issue isn't there because you don't want to look at it

There are a lot of good reasons to not want Biden or Trump to run. I don't think that translates in how the vote pans out regardless.

The polling in 2016 was notably bad, and everyone accepts that

Hasn't gotten any better, either. Landlines are still far too over-represented.

We'll see how polls continue to develop, if it becomes obvious Biden would lose by massive margins by early next year they'll have to figure something out

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of other candidates I'd prefer to BIden as well, I just think you're getting too far ahead of yourself.