Trump admin looks to fix homeless issues in California

morvoran Sep 11, 2019.

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    True, I forgot about all his bit parts and cameos, but that's because they were entirely forgettable. He was basically an extra, so it's not like that qualifies as "making it" in the movie industry.

    Also you assigned that quote to the wrong person.
     
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    Yeah, the ripe old bastard had that gun up to my head and forced me to drink it every time. Then he had the nerve to die and leave me homeless and without my source of jesus juice. Oh, boy, too bad I was never taught personal responsibility!!!! I would never had gone through life the way I did and end up explaining myself to a troll on this site!!!! Whoa is me! Now I blame all libtards for my issues and can only get satisfaction from always proving my point.

    Seriously, though, my dad was a great man who just happened to clock out on this life too early (and just happened to have the best drugs for pain relief). I don't blame anybody but myself for my problems. That is one of the steps to recovery. I got myself into the mess and got myself out (with help from people that really cared, of course). It's just too bad that not everybody ever realizes this truth, and that it takes personal responsibility and self determination to change your life for the better. This topic is not about me, so I'm not going to discuss this further.


    That's why they need to get a job. Maybe, if the illegal alien situation was fixed, it would be easier to get a job. Look at the raid on the chicken plants in Mississippi. After that happened, they had a job fair and were flooded with applicants looking for work that the illegals took. I thought they only took the jobs americans didn't want???

    I guess we can take a page from your book and just lock them up into insane asylums again. Electro shock therapy, anyone? Maybe a nice lobotomy? You want to have the freedom to go to the store whenever you want? Too bad.

    Do they also dream of living in their own feces, or do they already do that? How many times have they had the bubonic plague or hepatitis? It's not as glamorous as it looks.

    Homeless don't pay premiums/deductibles. How do you expect them to start paying those with zero income?
    Maybe, you should actually look at numbers someone else runs on his so-called "plan' instead of only looking at Bernie's numbers. He's not a big shot economics expert, is he? Don't just get your information from the person making up the numbers as he goes.
    Look at Splenda, scientists say it causes cancer, but on their site, it says it's 100% safe. I guess you'll keep using Splenda then, huh?

    The important thing to note is that he won't ever give you free healthcare. He got a taste of the good life and wants more of that democrat power that comes with making false promises you people always believe.

    Yeah, like people that didn't look like you getting freedom to live life how they wanted.

    Yeah, like you would say, some were fortunate to be aborted by their leftist parents and didn't have the chance to make their mom suffer and make her life so horrible by having to take care of a special needs person. That way, she could go have a great life without such a burden. Those folks I worked with seemed to enjoy life more than some able bodied people I have known.
     
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    You're such a broken record, rofl. Maybe start prosecuting the CEOs that are hiring illegals, and it'll stop being a problem. Oh but that's right, if we do that, we'd have to prosecute the current president too.

    When you start misrepresenting everything I say, that's when I know you've run out of arguments.

    Only the severely mentally ill would do this, so perhaps it's projection on your part.

    I don't expect them to, that's why I didn't mention the homeless in that quote. The majority of the funding would come from the upper class and corporations. Even accounting for the homeless, 3-4% is still what would be added to the tax burden for the working and middle class.

    Do I have to remind you again that Trump also promised universal healthcare? There's no cheaper option, as Medicare is by far the most efficient system we have in this country.

    Why would I bother looking at the numbers from people who take money from insurance lobbyists? The healthcare insurance industry is a scam and always has been.

    "Go, you're free to starve to death on the streets! Praise Reaganomics!"

    So you're suggesting that most homeless are children of right-wingers who couldn't afford to care for them? While I find the idea amusing, Sarah Palin's family has had as many abortions as they've had haircuts. Republicans are entirely hypocritical when it comes to abortion, along with so many other issues.
     
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    Have you ever been to an interview? The CEO isn't there to see if you're a good fit for the company. It's usually a manager and HR. Even at mass hiring events, the CEO isn't there, so I'm not sure where you get that CEO's are hiring these illegals. Oh, wait, I think I do know where. Could it be from Fredo Cuomo or Don Lemon?

    I'm just trying to answer in leftist speak to show you how it feels. You did seem to not like the idea of people, yes, they are people, being released from those torture asylums regardless of their condition.

    I don't know your friends, but that is not a friendly thing to say about them. Shame on you.

    Yes, please remind me when he did that. You're playing a game of semantics (or at least who you get your talking points from is). He said "healthcare for all" but it would not be a single payer system. Not what you're thinking. His plan was/is affordable healthcare for all.

    yeah, ok, next you're going to tell me Santa is real and a Democrat is going to beat Trump. Let's get serious here.

    well, silly, look at numbers from people who don't take money from lobbyist, then. I never told you to do that.

    Amen, brother!!! Preach!!!

    Yeah, next you're going to tell me you reclaim Marianne Williamson. I never claimed Palin was a good person who stands by her morals, or that whole family.

    Just as Bernie being rich but for socialism, against climate change but takes planes everywhere and rides in gas guzzlers, owns a comb but doesn't use it, etc, he is fake just like the Palin's.

    Yeah, the right wingers walked outside and just plopped those poor babies on the street to fend for themselves.

    Uh, anybody whom reaches the age of 18 is free to do as they please. Of course, runaways can start living on the street at any age. If they move out on their own and can't take care of themselves, they end up on the streets. Not everybody wants to live with their mom in their 30's/40's.
     
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    Well I'm sorry, but it seems disqualifying. If you can't accept that your father monstrously abused you by giving you his MORPHINE for Christ's sake, you aren't really qualified to offer anyone instructions about responsibility.
     
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    Middle management are not the ones making the decision to be apathetic about verifying employees' citizenship. That comes from the top down.

    I don't like the idea of forcing mentally ill people on to the streets with no support. Which is why I said we needed to reform our mental healthcare infrastructure, not give up on it. How many mass shootings has the right-wing attributed to mental health problems since Reagan demolished our mental health infrastructure?

    During the campaign, and also two years ago in an interview with the Washington Post.



    https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20110920.013390/full/

    https://www.modernhealthcare.com/ar...costs-better-than-private-insurers-study-says

    https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/blog/private-insurance-vs-medicare-truth-numbers

    I'm sure if you could find any source suggesting there's a cheaper alternative to Medicare, you would've posted it. Let's get serious indeed.

    That says it all right there. You're a neocon who doesn't actually want to address the issue of homelessness, because it might hurt profits for the millionaires/billionaires slightly. The trickle-down experiment has been a failure time and again.

    No Republican stands by their supposed morals, so she's the perfect representative of the party.
     
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    You got that first part right about you being sorry. He didn't "give" it to me. It's not like I was 3 years old, and he put it in my juice box. Just because your dad may have touched your naughty bits and hurt you, you don't need to go around accusing other fathers as being monsters.
     
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    No, just tired of proving you wrong. :P I didn't take Trump seriously when he said that I'd get tired of winning so much. Boy, was he right.

    Medicare is more efficient than private insurance, not the most efficient system. It is only efficient to the patient, but behind the scene is still just a big mess. Not having insurance is the most efficient as you don't deal with insurance agencies, the government, billing, etc.

    CEO's are not part of the hiring process. They can't always be aware of whom their underlings are hiring or if they are following the rules of business. If it can be proven that the CEO's were complicit with the fact that their company was hiring illegals, then yes, they should be prosecuted.

    Were they forced out onto the streets with no support? Can you provide evidence of this?

    I would think right-wingers would say all mass shooters have mental illness because what type of person would get to the point of going out to shoot several people? They were obviously not stable to begin with.

    As soon as you start the video, it says "insurance for everybody". Did you not read what I typed? I would guess "NO". Let me know the time stamp in that video where Trump says "universal healthcare" because all I heard was "Insurance for everybody".

    Your "neo-Bull:shit:" terms that you "neo-leftists" come up with are just nonsense as well as some of the stuff you say. Why would rich people want their cities covered with homeless, trash, and fecal matter? Why would business owners want to hurt the consumer base by keeping them homeless and increase their own taxes? Middle class and poor people consume more where the homeless consume little to none. Why not help them become consumers? The less homeless we have, the better the economy will become, and hopefully, lower taxes due to lower need for welfare programs. If we went with an entirely charity based system, things would be a lot better.

    I agree trickle down economics is a failure when you consider places such as Kansas who tried that with that mentally challenged Governor Brownback who is a good example for you to use when discussing the issue with releasing the insane onto the streets. He pretty much destroyed that state which is why they went with a democrat governor.
    It would work if the state had competent republican leadership. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.
     
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    Oh okay, so Americans should just never get sick or be born with any medical conditions. Seems realistic. :rolleyes:

    Requiring two forms of ID to be considered for a job is standard practice. If your company doesn't do it, the CEO is definitely in the loop about that.

    Some had family/friends who could care for them, others did not. Reagan's funding cuts were indiscriminate. One-third of the homeless population are reported to have some form of mental illness, along with about half of all prisoners in the US.

    This is the same thing. If you had watched a little further in, he includes the caveat that even people who cannot pay will be covered.

    Rich people live in gated communities and own properties all over the world, and they hire people for mundane tasks like grocery shopping. Rarely are they confronted with the reality of life outside their affluent bubbles. Nowhere is this more apparent than places like Monaco.

    He followed the standard operating procedures of the Republican party to a T, the end result was bad because the policies are bad. Trump is following the exact same policy guidelines on a national level, which is why we're due for another economic recession soon.
     
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    I'll give you the link



    The quote is here

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021

    “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

    Insurance for everybody kinda sounds like insurance would be universal.

    I personally think he was lying, just so he could take down obamacare. They'd find some way to actually weasel out of what was promised. But I don't think that helps your argument.
     
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    Earth, bro-dude.
    I'm technically a Democrat, as in, I registered as a Democrat to curb Shitt Donkey (Shitt Romney), but since then, I have different values than my "registered" party.
     
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    If you fall and scrape your knee, would you prefer going through the process of medicare or just go to the store and buy some peroxide and bandages? I think going to the store would be more efficient.

    Yeah, because the CEO takes the time to verify every single employee's legality themselves to make sure that the hiring staff didn't let any illegals slip through. Give me a break.

    Well, should we just lock all the homeless up and give them shock therapy in your "passionate care facilities"? In your world, that must be better than having them sleep on the sidewalks where you have to look at them.

    so you think the rich never leave their one home to go their other homes? All rich people have personal airfields in their backyards, so they never travel outside their "safe spaces"? I guess there is never any worries about these poor people trying to climb their gates to steal from them, huh? Ask King Elijah of Baltimore about that one.

    . He may have followed the process, but a horrible leader does not give confidence to the citizens. If the business owners don't have faith in their leaders or feel like they're being taking advantage of in others ways, the owners will save the extra money rather than invest it. Why invest in your company if you're going to hurt yourself in the process?

    Have you two ever heard of medicaid? You know, the system of "government provided insurance" that helps lower income people, who can't afford insurance, pay their medical bills? I'm sure you're aware of medicare since the left wants to destroy it by letting everyone get in on that action.

    Plus "universal healthcare" is a phrase with multiple possible meanings.

    Do you think of it as a "single payer system" where the government gives free healthcare to all regardless of your financial situation? Then no, Trump is not proposing universal healthcare.

    Are you implying that it means affordable healthcare for most and government issued healthcare for those who can't afford insurance, such as medicare and medicaid, so in other words "insurance for everybody"?
    Well, I guess you got me there then......Wait a second, does that mean we already have universal healthcare now? Well, crap, I guess Obummer pulled the wool over the Republicans' eyes with his Affordable Care Act. He slipped it right by us. Damn!
     
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    I'm glad you mentioned medicaid.

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/trump-administrations-harmful-changes-to-medicaid

    Who wants to destroy it?

    I don't think you understand what the left wants to do to it, you don't want to admit what the right wants to do to it.
     
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    I said I'm sure you're aware of Medicare(not medicaid) because the left wants to destroy it. If you make everybody sign up for it, then it won't be as good as it is for the people already on it, thus destroying it.

    Making people go out and get work to stay on medicaid is not harming it. It harms the slackers who only want free stuff and a nanny state to take care of them while not contributing to society (other than sucking off it's teat).

    The left has no sense or knowledge of basic human psychology. If you give somebody free stuff without terms, they won't appreciate it as much as if they earn it themselves. Oh, but the right is so evil and full of hate by trying to get people to learn personal responsibility and take care of themselves by cutting off access to the government's teats and pushing the slackers out from under Momma Welfare's wings. People that need the help are not benefiting from the abuses on these systems by the folks capable of taking care of themselves but refuse to.

    This all leads back to the homeless situation. The ones that can and want to work need to be offered work and reasonable housing, or in other words, a hand up (not a hand out). The ones that don't need to have consequences for their inaction. If they are mentally ill, they need to get help. The left thinks that babying people regardless of their abilities and coddling them forever will fix society's issues. Instead of helping, that only enables them to stay in their situation.
    Oh, these people want to live on the street? Let's give them tents. Oh, they want to use drugs? Poor babies, lets give them free needles, so they don't get sick. Oh, they poop on the sidewalk? We'll just pay somebody to wash it away. Oh, citizens are starting to get bubonic plague and leprosy? Oh, well, we don't know what to do. Maybe, we can bring in more illegal aliens to spread the diseases further. Because we care.
     
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    You are directly contradicting.

    “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

    If you're not working (for whatever reason) then you can't pay for it.

    YOU want to destroy medicaid, by removing people from it. That doesn't make it stronger, it just makes it cheaper.

    The irony is that the more people on medicaid, the stronger their negotiating power is and the cheaper it becomes. Your health insurance would be much cheaper if you paid the government for it, it would even cover those disabled slackers that you hate.
     
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    Did you and @Xzi go to the same public schools? Since you both think the same way and couldn't choose a username that consisted of more than 3 random letters, I am assuming you did. :rolleyes:

    "If you can't pay for it" means the people falling on hard times, low skilled workers making minimum wage, or unable to work. This doesn't mean the 40 year old laying on his mom's couch watching YouTube, while his mommy goes to work at Walmart, can abuse the system if he is able to work. His mom can drive him to Walmart to work the same shift as her.

    I'm not even going to respond to that nonsense about more people makes something better mess as it was nonsense.
     
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    More flawed logic.

    i.e. The people they are taking medicaid away from to lower taxes for rich people.

    Yes, ignore the evidence.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articl...0615/6-reasons-healthcare-so-expensive-us.asp

    It's funny that the cost of your insurance is so much higher than every other country because you are so scared of paying for someone elses healthcare.
     
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    Sure, if you look at just the total homeless population in each state, sure California has the most, but California also has the biggest population of the all the states. If you look at rates of homelessness, California isn't the top and the rate is fairly stagnant. NY is the top state when it comes to rates of homelessness and is growing, but of course Trump doesn't want to make his home state look bad. So I have to agree with Xzi that California is just Trump's political target just like it has always been.
    I couldn't find anyone who actually put together a homlessness to population ratio table so I made one with sources that you can check: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KAno5UBN766lGwvVQ9fOHd916VA0EsYf4s-ixJ9veAw/edit?usp=sharing

    Side note, but I always find it really strange when people complain about how high California's taxes are. They aren't that different than most the rest of the western states even with Oregon not having sales tax and Washington not having income tax.
     
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    No, it's because of our flawed system that allows hospitals, pharmaceuticals, insurance companies, and medical supply manufacturers to set their own prices. Thankfully, Trump is also working on that and has signed an executive order to stop price gouging on meds, surgeries, etc through secret pricing

    You ever heard of the "law of diminishing returns"? It applies to your "theory".

    No, I have proved that hypothesis correct through strenuous scientific testing over the past few weeks.

    Be careful, @Xzi wants to lock people like you back up into institutions.
    This is pure speculation without an iota of truth. Preventing abuses on our welfare programs will help the people they were only intended for, instead of the leeches feeding off the system. Turn off CNN, because Brian Stelter is not telling you the truth.
     
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