Trump admin looks to fix homeless issues in California

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  1. morvoran
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    You sourced it from my post. I just translated it for you. I speak Democrat because I used to be one and know the lingo.
     
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    Had edited my post. The problem with the statement it makes and you makes is what you are saying that they wasted it(meaning it didnt go anywhere) and pocketed the rest. If this statement was true, then the post could not make the statement that the problem was exacerbated by cuts because if they pocketed it, then there was no money given at all in the first place... It's one or the other, not both.
     
  3. Xzi

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    This is literally just more of the same thing that every city and state has already been doing, regardless of which party is in charge of the local government(s). We need a permanent, nationwide solution to the problem, but Trump has already blown the money necessary to fund something like that on tax cuts for the rich, so it's not gonna happen as long as he's still in office.

    State sovereignty is not a matter of partisan politics, it's constitutionally protected. I realize Republicans only heed the constitution when it's convenient though, so you do you.
     
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    If you keep good records that prove you wrote the song before that other person published it and claimed the song as his own while making money off of it, you can sue the bastard for past/present/future royalties and make the homeless problem worse by litigating his ass to the poor house. Just saying.

    They wasted it by using it for ways that didn't fix the problems, rather made them worse. Instead of building housing for the homeless, they gave them tents and free needles. Then they wasted some of the money on paying people to pick up the used needles and power wash the fecal matter off the sidewalks.

    Try looking into New York City's homeless problem during Rudy Giuliani's term as mayor. He found a solution that worked. Bloomberg was able to keep the homeless down because of Giuliani's methods, mostly. I'm not sure if he kept them, or the problem just escalated slowly during his term. The homeless problem began to skyrocket during De Blasio's term and keeps getting worse, but at least they don't have a plastic straw problem.

    OMG, I'm starting to think you're just trolling me, too, like that other guy from Canada about the UBI. An Obama judge can stop a federal mandate at the state level if they put an injunction on it as they have most of Trump's executive orders. Maybe debating people on a gaming related website was a bad idea.....:hateit:

    Edit: sorry folks, I got a little too excited there. I didn't mean to say it's a bad idea to debate on a gaming related website. I should have said that it's a bad idea to debate a leftist anywhere as there are quite a few people with the intelligence higher than a leftist on here.
     
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    Earth, bro-dude.
    It's tough to prove, but I took it as a lesson learned. Lucky for me, it was before I had the ability to critically think and devise strategies that work efficiently.
     
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    It still doesn't answer my statement. What you're saying that it was worse when they gave them money. The article says it got worse after the cuts. If what you are saying was right, cuts would make it better. which is contradictory to the article. Unless you want to say the entire article is not credible and posting it here serves 0 purpose.
     
  7. morvoran
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    did you happen to post the song on a website, email, or personal message? If you have any proof whatsoever and the other person profited on it, you could go see a copyright lawyer who will do the rest of the work and send you the check. Make that guy homeless and then you can try your secret technique to prove it will work. Kill two birds with one stone. Just saying.

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    *sigh* if the state just bought them tents before and now they have less money, this means the homeless have less tents and have to resort to cardboard boxes. This is not an upgrade, trust me. They still have to spend money on washing away the fecal matter and picking up needles for the tax paying citizens.
     
  8. Xzi

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    Utah has a solution that works, as do several other states/cities. That solution is giving small homes/studio apartments to the homeless, rent-free. Once they're no longer homeless, finding solutions to the other problems each individual is struggling with becomes a lot easier. This solution is also cheaper in the long run, but convincing Republicans to look past their short-term greed is extremely difficult. And, as I said, that money is already gone. The Trump administration has run up a $1 trillion+ budget deficit.

    Right...they can stop it because of constitutionally-protected state sovereignty. It'd be one thing if the Trump administration was willing to build/refurbish these facilities with no strings attached, but attempting to have the federal government micromanage what are normally state-run facilities is a big no-no.
     
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    Earth, bro-dude.
    Youtube and Myspace--the cess pool for non-creative thieves to copy+pasta and pretend-a-lots'a.

    Even worse, obviously some songs will get copyright strikes and removed, sometimes comments get purged after time, and sometimes, accounts get deleted.
    Couple that with false strikes and other bullshit and a good screencapper/copy+pasta chef won't care about a trace because they used to the system to justify it. Then, they can sell the lyrics to someone else as a ghostwriter themselves or obfuscate the trail so far, it is't worth pursuing.

    I can tell you, there were a decent number of one-hit wonder "musicians" that will never be able to replicate "their" feel, because it wasn't theirs to begin with.

    I used to email my lyrics after I got enough likes for a song to see if that was something I should even care about.
    Although, I think I had, maybe, over ten email addresses? To this day, I have two "usable" Youtube accounts specifically for "purposes", but I know some that had lyrics are tied to Youtube and I'll never remember the address (you know how it goes when you buy a new Android....well, I do because I buy a lot of phones--it's a long story.)

    I actually had both sides--thieves and people who wanted to work with me, but ultimately, I need creative freedom or to work with someone on my level.....it's tough and complicated.

    Lessons learned.
     
  10. morvoran
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    Oh, so you know Trump's ideas for California will work. I don't see where we disagree here, then.

    Wrong, they can put an injunction on them until a formal inquiry can be done to see it it is Constitutional. Just like the new asylum rules where the supreme court recently overruled the lower federal judge's injunctions. Trump doesn't get the benefit of innocent until proven guilty because the Democrats believe it's guilty until proven innocent. The Democrats don't care about the poor or anybody else, just that they can hinder trump.

    Wow, talk about tl:dr...:rofl2:

    Just write a song about that experience or about a guy on a gaming related website that fought against hate everyday for nothing, but he still won in the end when his fearless leader was elected for a second (and maybe third?) term. Then you can get rich with that one hit and help the homeless walk across America (hopefully not through my town). I only ask that you give me 30% royalties from iTunes sales and tour merch for the idea. You're welcome.
     
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    you were going on about them funding drugs... if you don't think funding drugs makes a problem worse and reversing the funds makes it better, then there is no argument about drugs...

    The problem with this is you're saying I should just trust you, and not trust the article. I've seen my fair share of homeless, hell i've been close to other homeless injecting needles. I'm aware of the problems and the efforts of people trying to fix the problem. This is why i have a bipartisan POV on the effort. I have friends that are conservative who directly discuss this same problem with me a while back, as well as more liberal friends who discuss this. I don't consider both sides completely right and the only reason why I have a hard time putting trust in you is more or less is because you're trying to push the idea(to me at least) that everything the left has been doing is wrong, goes post another article talking a tiny bit more about Trump's plan(which is fine), but then tell me that part of the article is wrong because of how you perceive to translate it, without a source backing up your translation of it, just by redirecting me back to the source and saying that that's what the left says and here's the real translation of it. If that's the real translation of it, then there should exist a conservative post of the same issue that backs up that idea.

    I'll throw in a hypothetical future. If Trump plans goes through and there are still people picking up needles and doing drugs, should I say that the Right is also doing everything wrong? Because that's how it sounds like you're telling me about the Left.
     
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  12. Xzi

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    That isn't the plan. Their plan is building more temporary shelters, not individual housing/apartments. A temporary solution to a permanent problem, and not even an original one at that.

    Like I said, Republicans only heed the constitution when it's convenient for them. I don't think they'd win this one, but if they somehow did, it would set a really bad precedent for the future of states' rights.
     
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    the state doesn't give them free needles filled with drugs. Hell, if they did I'd be on skid row myself right now instead of chatting on here.

    . So the homeless should stay in shelters forever instead of moving on after they get help? Hmm, that doesn't make sense.

    well, Rachel Maddow was wrong to tell you that (or was it Lawrence O'Donnell this time? He seems trustworthy with his Russian collusion breaking news).

    I don't think a state would mind to get help with their homeless problem except in the cases where the governor is a never-Trumper. Hmm, who is the governor of California and what are his views on the president????? Exactly!!!
     
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    Earth, bro-dude.
    You're telling me, but, it is what it is.

    I was actually going to "detail" the whole thing in a children's book, but I keep losing people. I mean, I ask people close to me and I know I should just outsource the work, but I hate being that guy who has the friend who bashes you, "...and you just sit here with all your money, while I starve and suffer everyday; wahhhh.", when in reality, "...motherfucker, I gave you the opportunity and you chose to not work with me, so shit soup."
     
  15. Xzi

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    Precisely, it doesn't make sense to build more temporary shelters when it just encourages moving from one shelter to the next. The assistance needs to be long-term.

    No state minds federal assistance, but every state will resist attempts to interfere with their ability to self-govern. The idea that narcoleptic Ben Carson could do a better job of managing temporary shelters than the state government is laughable.
     
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    I'm thinking of writing a kids book called "the littlest troll who trusted the left". It's a sad book where the troll, who believed in its leftist leaders, loses in the end and ends up homeless on the streets of calitrollia shooting up smack and pooping on the streets while his king Newslum sits in a castle surrounded by a big fence to keep the other small trolls out. Based on a true story. Don't steal my idea, I'm making a screenshot proving when I came up with it.
     
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    I just watched a documentary of homeless people in california and damn it even makes my third world country look like first world when compared.
     
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    Earth, bro-dude.
    Make it a comic strip fort Brietbart.
    You're welcome for the idea as long as you give me 15% of what you get from whoever pays you.
     
  19. morvoran
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    I was going to donate them to the homeless in California, so they can have a roof over their head until Trump fixes the issues. Not much money involved in that, but all for a good cause.

    the FAA buildings are very "huuuuge" and permanent. I can't say what happens next as it's all in the brainstorming phase now. Give it time, hope in Trump, and the world will be a better place. Maybe, if people supported the president rather than fighting him, things would get done quicker.

    . First, I have no comment on Ben Carson or his sleepiness.

    Second, if a state can't solve a problem, the feds step in to assist. Next, you'll tell people that Trump shouldn't help states hit by natural disasters because "they should be allowed to self govern, DERP!!!" :rofl2:

    Why don't the homeless just govern themselves? Make the tent cities into separate townships, and they can solve their own problems. Come on, guy. It's like you're not even trying.
     
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    Could you imagine if you guys had these debates without revealing what political alignment you were with, and without throwing insults to the other side. Just people discussing issues, it would be glorious.
     
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