PS4 controller to include LCD touch-screen, bio-metric sensors?

[Taleweaver]

I don't get the bad rap sony gets here. Shouldn't you at least wait for an official announcement?

As it stands, all sony is doing is testing to see how things will work out. And if you ask me, it'd be pretty retarded as a company NOT to do that. There's a wide demand for touch screens, both on nintendo's end as tablets and every freakin' phone. Sticking to tried-and-proven concepts like the analog stick is like sticking to 2D-graphics because 3D looks like shit*.


Also: you can bet your ass they at least did a serious marketing and feasibility check on how realistic it would be to use the vita as a controller.




*this is a reference to the early 3D cards, obviously.

 

[PolloDiablo]

oh Sony.... it's sooo easy to make fun of you lately

 

[Foxi4]

My sources say that whenever Sony does what Nintendo did, they do it better. //trololo

That, and if it so happens that this rumour turns out to be true, copying accusations are not very well-founded considering the fact that R&D takes a good few years. If they release something similar, it means that they just happened to be working on it at the same time Nintendo did, which is not as much a stretch as you may think it is, seeing that tablets have been popular for quite some time now.

 

[Rizsparky]

I don't understand what people want... Sony is trying to innovate their controller. Ya know the one that's been the exact same design for the last 3 design iterations?

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

My sources say that whenever Sony does what Nintendo did, they do it better. //trololo

That, and if it so happens that this rumour turns out to be true, copying accusations are not very well-founded considering the fact that R&D takes a good few years. If they release something similar, it means that they just happened to be working on it at the same time Nintendo did, which is not as much a stretch as you may think it is, seeing that tablets have been popular for quite some time now.

Sony would never copy any other successful product.... LOL

 

[Arm73]

My sources say that whenever Sony does what Nintendo did, they do it better. //trololo

That, and if it so happens that this rumour turns out to be true, copying accusations are not very well-founded considering the fact that R&D takes a good few years. If they release something similar, it means that they just happened to be working on it at the same time Nintendo did, which is not as much a stretch as you may think it is, seeing that tablets have been popular for quite some time now.

Yeah...sure....
So it happens to be that Sony was working on the PSX controller at the same time but Nintendo beat it to it.....
And then Sony was thinking and researching analog controls but the N64 controller came out before they released the dual shock...and then added rumble too ! ( hey but it was built in ! definitely better then the N64 add on ! ).
And then , it so happens that they were working on some kind of motion controller, but what do you know, Nintendo beat it again by 4 years or so !

Now you tell me that they legitimately will come up with their ( arguably improved ) version of the Wii U pad after 2 years and that it'll be just a coincidence ? They were working on it all along ?
Get off your horses dude.

 

[Qtis]

ITT: People who think that when something is released and someone else releases something similar, it's automatically a copy. If that is your justification here, you could just as well say that the WiiU controller was a rip-off of the iPad. The logic here isn't sound. Just like the PSMove is pretty much a new controller vs the Wii mote. The basic idea is already so much different that the only similar thing there is theidea that it's a motion controller (which Sony already had demo'd before the launch of the Wii IIRC with the EyeToy (Foxi4 probably remembers better, since I remember reading it from a post by him)). If a company doesn't tell something is in development, it doesn't mean they haven't done any R&D on it.

As for a new controller, why not? I'd like to see new innovation everywhere. As consoles and their hardware become cheaper and outdated faster than before, there should be something to make up for that fact. I already like the idea of being able to play a game on the PS3 and then continue the same save on the PSVita. Can't say that can be done with other consoles so far.

 

[Taleweaver]

My sources say that whenever Sony does what Nintendo did, they do it better. //trololo

That, and if it so happens that this rumour turns out to be true, copying accusations are not very well-founded considering the fact that R&D takes a good few years. If they release something similar, it means that they just happened to be working on it at the same time Nintendo did, which is not as much a stretch as you may think it is, seeing that tablets have been popular for quite some time now.

From the article in the OP:

This information is backed up by other sources who told Eurogamer that Sony has been testing a PS4 controller with a touch-screen and biometrics functionality for as long as six months.

You were saying...?

(note to those who don't already know: nintendo first revealed their controller (and the retarded name) at E3 1,5 years ago).


EDIT: got to mention something else: I've read some stuff where some top Nintendo guys (Reggi, I think...not sure) said that they started toying with the idea of a television-controller as early as 2008, so before the whole tablet-hype thing. However, we've only just got their word for it, so it's well possible they've went with that decision because of the iPad's success.

 

[FireGrey]

Why are people actually treating this as if it is real?

 

[Foxi4]

Yeah...sure....
So it happens to be that Sony was working on the PSX controller at the same time but Nintendo beat it to it.....
And then Sony was thinking and researching analog controls but the N64 controller came out before they released the dual shock...and then added rumble too ! ( hey but it was built in ! definitely better then the N64 add on ! ).
And then , it so happens that they were working on some kind of motion controller, but what do you know, Nintendo beat it again by 4 years or so !

Now you tell me that they legitimately will come up with their ( arguably improved ) version of the Wii U pad after 2 years and that it'll be just a coincidence ? They were working on it all along ?
Get off your horses dude.

Sony was working on PSMove long before Nintendo even got the idea of motion controls, they even showcased it in PS2 times. At the time it was called a wand, I believe. Google it.

Seeing that my phone went ape and doubleposted, I might as well elaborate.

First and foremost, this is a rumour - take it with a pinch of salt. Secondly, using technological advancements which happen to work well is not something I'm againts. Should we argue that Nintendo copied someone when they started using optical drives? Should we accuse them of copying when they added a second analog stick to the Gamecube controller? Should every single cellular phone manufacturer pay royalties to Nokia, or whoever else came up with the idea? Should we call out Nintendo on copying the design of the 360 controller? No, because certain concepts should become mainstream, that's how progress works. Touchscreens are one such concept.

The "copying" argument is pretty irrelevant and tiring, the truth is that it all goes down to who can use a given technology better. We've been through this with Samsung and Apple - there's a difference between blatantly stealing technology and using similar concepts.

 

[hhs]

the wii u is about 300$, which for a next gen console, is hardly a terrible thing.

it's not a next gen console though. wiiU hardware is half a decade outdated. For 400 dollars you could make a basic computer that would outperform it massively. It's basically the system that should have come out when the wii did.

 

[Canonbeat234]

Off-topic: It's really going to be a sad day when controllers will soon be your wireless remote contro-oh wait. Ahem! We had seen SEGA made those 'Innovation' ideas that didn't sell often nor realized as origins of their product till their demise in the console industry. When SEGA copies someone, they get a MUCH worse stigma then either Microsoft or Sony. The reason being is because 1) they usually copy off of something and it doesn't work out in the end. 2) their presentation to the product is ALWAYS used as a Sonic game!! Ok, back on topic.

On-topic: Sony for many times were known to either create an innovative device i.e. (eye-toy for PS2, PSP GO) or copy something without originality. Their innovation gimmicks never made more sells then a copycat version of the same thing but with a 'Sony' logo on it. Sony did this why too many times but since they have other media products that will still sale (music, laptops, LCD-TV's, smartphones, and etc.) they can get away from making a mistake and not lose any profit that will put them down under (Forcing then to quit making consoles). So Sony can be reckless without feeling the need to spare cash flow for making a quick buck.

 

[Arras]

it's not a next gen console though. wiiU hardware is half a decade outdated. For 400 dollars you could make a basic computer that would outperform it massively. It's basically the system that should have come out when the wii did.

If that thing would've come out when the Wii did it would've been much bigger, much more power hungry, probably much more prone to failure (RROD, YLOD) and about as expensive, if not more so, than the PS3 at launch, judging from the performance. Also, computers always outperform consoles. Besides, for 400 bucks you might be able to build a PC with roughly the same specs, but you'd probably still not get much of a performance boost because of optimization and stuff a PC needs to run that a console does not. I think there was also some stuff about shorter pipelines that made a difference.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

it's not a next gen console though. wiiU hardware is half a decade outdated. For 400 dollars you could make a basic computer that would outperform it massively. It's basically the system that should have come out when the wii did.

Yeah but that PC would never play Nintendo Wii-U games, and comparing the two experiences is completely trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

[Eerpow]

it's not a next gen console though. wiiU hardware is half a decade outdated. For 400 dollars you could make a basic computer that would outperform it massively. It's basically the system that should have come out when the wii did.

Can't be more misinformed than that, the Wii U features hardware that without a doubt greatly outperforms current gen hardware in every way. The hardware is built on modern architecture, tri core processor, high bandwidth 2GB ram, GPU with Direct X11 capabilities (consoles use DX9 equivalents) and GPGPU functionality. The CPU has a slow clock which makes porting games from 6year old systems a PITA but the GPGPU makes up for that decision once games get developed and optimized from scratch, low clock is mostly due to system size and overheating. Plus it's how modern computers work too so hey, next gen is GPU heavy.
In any case we don't know the exact specifics but the hardware is 2 years old tops.

If developers "games need to be developed from scratch to show off the systems capabilities" and Iwata's "The Wii U's potential graphical output will easily be doubled when developers get more comfortable with the system" comments are to be believed then the Wii U is indeed a step up from what we had. It's confirmed that the Wii U is sold at a loss so they jammed it as much as they could for the price point.
Iwata has numerous times said that he doesn't want another Wii, he thinks they failed with it in many aspects such as online and in the graphics department, he believes the Wii U will not suffer in this area against the other future consoles, it's designed to compete against next gen, not the current one.

Wait until a game actually gets developed on the system, as of now we only have Nintendo Land and NSMBU and those aren't games aren't exactly designed to show what the system can do. Early ports are early ports and the same thing happens every console launch so don't judge the system based on that.

The other systems will likely have more powerful hardware but not in a way that makes multiplats hard to do, remember hardware comes at a cost.

 

[Arm73]

ITT: People who think that when something is released and someone else releases something similar, it's automatically a copy. If that is your justification here, you could just as well say that the WiiU controller was a rip-off of the iPad. The logic here isn't sound. Just like the PSMove is pretty much a new controller vs the Wii mote. The basic idea is already so much different that the only similar thing there is theidea that it's a motion controller (which Sony already had demo'd before the launch of the Wii IIRC with the EyeToy (Foxi4 probably remembers better, since I remember reading it from a post by him)). If a company doesn't tell something is in development, it doesn't mean they haven't done any R&D on it.

As for a new controller, why not? I'd like to see new innovation everywhere. As consoles and their hardware become cheaper and outdated faster than before, there should be something to make up for that fact. I already like the idea of being able to play a game on the PS3 and then continue the same save on the PSVita. Can't say that can be done with other consoles so far.

Sony was working on PSMove long before Nintendo even got the idea of motion controls, they even showcased it in PS2 times. At the time it was called a wand, I believe. Google it.

Look, you can say what you want, but it's so frigging easy for a industry giant like Sony to create all kind of prototypes and weird controllers.
Those are all concepts , it doesn't mean that they will be releases ( look at the PS3 banana controller ) !
It's only after another leading industry company takes the risk, by introducing something new to the masses that could potentially be a big flop and lead to bankruptcy, and once it's PROVEN to work and being successful, that Sony steps in and creates it's own version.

It's not a bad thing, like you say ideas are out there in a variety of gadgets, and every one can put them together and release something interesting.

Look at the new GCW Zero, it's a clear rip off of established handheld design, but you don't see me or anybody pointing fingers.
The company behind it is just honest and tries to give customers what they want.

It's Sony attitude ( and its fanboys ) and the whole " we invented it " attitude that pisses me off !
Yeah sure, they did the wand thing and eye toy back in the day, but they only released the Move after the huge success of the Wii, don't try to deny that.

The history repeats itself, Nintendo leads the market in innovation, others follow the lead.
Simple as that.

 

[Valwin]

My sources say that whenever Sony does what Nintendo did, they do it better. //trololo

That, and if it so happens that this rumour turns out to be true, copying accusations are not very well-founded considering the fact that R&D takes a good few years. If they release something similar, it means that they just happened to be working on it at the same time Nintendo did, which is not as much a stretch as you may think it is, seeing that tablets have been popular for quite some time now.

thank god for excuses

 

[PyroSpark]

I don't understand what people want... Sony is trying to innovate their controller. Ya know the one that's been the exact same design for the last 3 design iterations?

Yes. That is what I want. A normal fucking controller.

 

[ComeTurismO]

Sony is being just TOO extra, IMO. Just leave it to its normal controller, don't copy Nintendo, kinda.

 

[Canonbeat234]

it's not a next gen console though. wiiU hardware is half a decade outdated. For 400 dollars you could make a basic computer that would outperform it massively. It's basically the system that should have come out when the wii did.

The thing is that Sony usually sells something that's marketed toward a certain group of gamers. Remember when the original PS3 was $600-$750 dollars?! That value was worth it due to the open source (operating windows outside of its main menu), backwards compatability (can play PSone and PS2 games!), and graphics. The main marketing strategy for Sony was for the PS3 to standout from the Wii and Xbox360 which it did. When Sony started to get paranoid about pirates dl'ing purchase games on the console due to the open source feature, they went a little overboard, the ban hammer came without any warning which made for a messy cover-up for them to restore order back to their community without using the ban hammer once more. Sony revised and again their beloved PS3 to be cost-effective as well as console-based instead of computer-based. This didn't stop them for being really crazy about the pirating, one thing Sony forgot about their own marketing was for the PS3 to standout but they in the end, made it be like the Xbox360 just with the blue-ray feature.

Hopefully Sony learns from that mistake and make the PS4 become more interactive and still as powerful as the PS3. To me it's too early for Sony to release that next-gen console.