Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[lovewiibrew]

i don't know why everyone's so butthurt over the AP. Just use Dios Mios. Streaming Audio is being worked on.

 

[Felipe_9595]

Cause changing a conditional jump to a normal jump isn't done all the time in the hacking scene to make programs bypass registration checks, etc.

Therein lies the issue; programs like Devolution use very peculiar methods/code which, when executed, produce the aforementioned fragile DVV files which must remain in a specific location at all times. So far, I can think of two very hard-to-crack (if not impossible) things with strong encryption, the 3DS and Devolution.

Yeah, see, there's a major difference.

3DS - We cannot debug the firmware. We have no emulation/debugging environments capable of running the 3DS firmware to inspect.

Wii Software - We have dolphin, which not only has a built-in debugger (run it with the d argument), but runs in windows meaning you can attach third-party tools to it (though of course built-in functions are often best as you don't need to do address translation and shit). As far as not running everything in an emulator (in regards to homebrew which uses hardware outside of what Nintendo's SDK does), I've heard that Normatt has a version of desmume he modified to be able to test AKAIO in, so it's not outside the realm of plausibility at all.

That's the other thing, why do authors hold on to IP when they no longer benefit from it?

It's automatic.
http://www.copyright...ral.html#mywork
http://www.copyright...n.html#duration

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

Personal challenge, prove it can be done, etc.

Stop acting like people with scratched discs or broken drives are getting cheated.

This. If your disc is scratched to the point that it won't verify, then it's not going to fully work on an actual GC/Wii (breaking depending on where the scratch is and such).

I'm tired of that shitty logic. If this program didn't exist your scratched discs wouldn't be useful anyways.

And thats why you MAKE BACKUPS. THAT I CANNOT VERIFY WITHOUT THE DISC. Thats the ENTIRE point of the retardness of the ap.

But whatever, i will stick with Dios Mios.

 

[kaulsuraj]

no offense but i think the cracked version will get more downloads if it ever gets released

 

[Rydian]

And thats why you MAKE BACKUPS. THAT I CANNOT VERIFY WITHOUT THE DISC. Thats the ENTIRE point of the retardness of the ap.

But whatever, i will stick with Dios Mios.

If this program didn't exist that wouldn't be a problem anyways because you still wouldn't be able to play it through it.

A lot of people are acting like the existence of this program hurts them or somehow takes away abilities they previously had, which is total bullshit.

 

[DaggerV]

Good grief, this is still going? If you can't make use of it, you can't make use of it. I think I already used an analogy earlier in this thread so I'll leave this at that -.-

 

[g4jek8j54]

I don't think the AP protection will ever be cracked at this rate.

It already is. There's just no point in releasing it ATM - the person who cracked it will at least wait for Wiimote support before wasting all effort on a version which is worse than DM in terms of compatibility.

Um, if someone has already cracked it, and is waiting for other features like Wii Remote support to be added...then why mention that you have cracked it in the first place? Obviously, tueidj could simply change the anti-piracy and possibly make the crack obsolete.

Anyway, as others have stated, I doubt that this person will release it to the public anyway, and apparently, he may have already stated that he won't.

 

[kylster]

I can't help but laugh at how serious people are with this crack.... It really means nothing if you think about it, so tj doesnt want people to pirate right? well there is DM and in case of PC there are programs just like it on there as well for both windows/linux, who is really complaining? Some Indie game company (one who actually post games on steam) actually supports piracy cause it increases overall sales and they do not put any DRM in either; but getting to my point I find it interesting to know the app is cracked and as much as I would like to play with it (though I can't) I find DM just as useful if not my Wii can play the games burnt either way... Am I bragging? No but com'on people this is silly to be upset just post a video and let it be; no need to release anything and I may not know tj but I would laugh at the fact someone tried hard enough to even get the job done maybe even get them to join the team like 50Ny

Good work everyone

Oh yeah JoostinOnline is right you can go to amazon and find games for $2 but that's few some are $3 even $4+ the most expensive game on there is Tales of ...... the one where you play Lloyd that's like $49+:used. I just want FFCC no matter how bad the game sucked lols

 

[Ericss]

I know it's illegal, it's still pointless to make legit owners suffer for the actions of pirates.

You aren't suffering.

I'm not, but others are, especially those who have scratched discs, dead DVD-ROM drives. New GCN games are way overpriced.

1) They are like 2 bucks on amazon
2) That doesn't mean they are suffering. They are just where they were before.

1) Because everyone lives in a country where GC games cost $2 and it's possible to order games via Amazon.
2) Even though people with scratched discs aren't any worse than they were before Devo came out, they're still being needlessly punished by the AP, as they would be able to play their games via Devolution if it didn't exist.

What about those discs that are listed as compatible but don't get verified? Why should I have to repurchase games I already legally own?

That's the way things work. If you buy something, then break it, you can't use it anymore. It's your own fault that your discs are scratched (same applies to me).

Not really. When you buy a game, you're paying the license to play it, so you have the right to keep playing the game even after its original disc is too scratched to be read.

And thats why you MAKE BACKUPS. THAT I CANNOT VERIFY WITHOUT THE DISC. Thats the ENTIRE point of the retardness of the ap.

But whatever, i will stick with Dios Mios.

If this program didn't exist that wouldn't be a problem anyways because you still wouldn't be able to play it through it.

The point is that the AP limits the usefulness of the app, as there are legit users who won't be able to use it despite not being pirates. Heck, it might even force people who would never have illegally downloaded GC games otherwise to download them, as there are those who previously created rips of their games that aren't 100% clean and thus can't be used with Devolution but due to their original discs being too scratched produce more dumps now, they will have to get clean rips from a different source.

 

[wiismodrome]

The claims about the AP having already been cracked are humorous on a few levels. But until some hard evidence is provided, they will not hold much weight. Where is the proof?

 

[DEFIANT]

^Above THIS^ Especially point 2.

 

[wiismodrome]

If this program didn't exist that wouldn't be a problem anyways because you still wouldn't be able to play it through it.

A lot of people are acting like the existence of this program hurts them or somehow takes away abilities they previously had, which is total bullshit.

Don't know who would make such a claim....

However, it is frustrating to see programs that are released which promise to fulfill certain desirable goals only to find they are difficult to use or unusable due to AP.

 

[Maverick Lunar X]

That's the other thing, why do authors hold on to IP when they no longer benefit from it? Take for instance games no longer in print, used sales don't generate any revenue towards the company, no profit is lost, and the only one who gets money are the second-hand shops. It's a dead console and money is neither is nor lost.

This mentality is what drove the price of my sizeable video game collection down so far. The collectors' market is a freaking joke now, because why bother hunting down that rare game when you can just download it and play it on your computer, or better yet on your hacked system? Second hand is not a term only used to describe Gamestop.

 

[McHaggis]

Wait... is having a scratched disc even a problem? I would have thought Devolution could verify the games by checking the BCA strip, which I would also guess is much less prone to read errors caused by scratching. Also, even if scratched discs are a problem, it's sometimes possible to repair the scratches. Gamestation in the UK does it for a couple of quid, but you could also try yourself.

No offence, but the way you guys are arguing the whole scratched disc thing makes you sound like desperate pirates who never owned the discs before.

On the flip side of the coin, to those of you saying that GC games cost $2 on Amazon ‒ do you think you could get me an original Skies of Arcadia? I'd gladly pay you twice the price, a whole $4. In fact, get me 3 and I'll pay you $12.

 

[Ericss]

Wait... is having a scratched disc even a problem? I would have thought Devolution could verify the games by checking the BCA strip, which I would also guess is much less prone to read errors caused by scratching. Also, even if scratched discs are a problem, it's sometimes possible to repair the scratches. Gamestation in the UK does it for a couple of quid, but you could also try yourself.

It's not just verifying; Devolution only accepts clean rips, and it's often hard to impossible to produce those using scratched discs.

 

[McHaggis]

Wait... is having a scratched disc even a problem? I would have thought Devolution could verify the games by checking the BCA strip, which I would also guess is much less prone to read errors caused by scratching. Also, even if scratched discs are a problem, it's sometimes possible to repair the scratches. Gamestation in the UK does it for a couple of quid, but you could also try yourself.

It's not just verifying; Devolution only accepts clean rips, and it's often hard to impossible to produce those using scratched discs.

Sure, but clean rips might be "obtainable". Does it matter how you got the rip if you have the original sitting in your games cupboard?

 

[wiismodrome]

In many countries it is legal to make backups (or rips) from one's own media, but illegal to download the game elsewhere.

 

[GameGeek]

^ This. The ultimate irony is that Devolution's AP actually forces some people to pirate.

And even if downloading games you own was legal everywhere, it should be really hard to find clean rips on the Internet, considering that all GC games were dumped years before Devolution existed, so there wasn't much of a demand for clean dumps.

Edit: Typo

 

[SifJar]

In many countries it is legal to make backups (or rips) from one's own media, but illegal to download the game elsewhere.

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

 

[Ericss]

In many countries it is legal to make backups (or rips) from one's own media, but illegal to download the game elsewhere.

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's legit users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

 

[GameGeek]

^ Bingo.