Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[the_randomizer]

In many countries it is legal to make backups (or rips) from one's own media, but illegal to download the game elsewhere.

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

That's logic I fully support.

 

[snikerz]

Um, if someone has already cracked it, and is waiting for other features like Wii Remote support to be added...then why mention that you have cracked it in the first place? Obviously, tueidj could simply change the anti-piracy and possibly make the crack obsolete.

I don't think he'll change the algorithm that generates DVV files without any public release of a DVV generator.

 

[the_randomizer]

I hope what that guy claims about the decrypted AP is true, and it's just a matter of waiting.

 

[SifJar]

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

Yes, I saw the point the post was making. My point stands; who cares? It'll still only work for people who legally own the disc (needed for verification purposes), so it's not forcing, or even allowing, people to "pirate" the game unless they already own it anyway, in which case, meh.

 

[wiismodrome]

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

Very interesting... above there are rather negative posts about the illegality of copyright infringement... yet apparently it is morally permissible to download illegal games if one personally has no problem with it? Where does the moral relativism end???

 

[SifJar]

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

Very interesting... above there are rather negative posts about the illegality of copyright infringement... yet apparently it is morally permissible to download illegal games if one personally has no problem with it? Where does the moral relativism end???

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. What I am saying is, if you own a game (which you must do, to use it with Devolution, for verification purposes), I personally couldn't care less whether the law does or does not allow you to download an ISO of that game; you own it, you can download it. Forget "illegal" and "legal"; the world would be a much better place (IMO) if people thought in terms of "right" and "wrong" instead. No idea if that answers your post, because I have no idea what you were saying.

 

[Ericss]

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

Yes, I saw the point the post was making. My point stands; who cares?

I would think tueidj should care about the fact that Devo's AP is flawed enough to force some users to pirate games, since that's the kind of thing it was implemented to prevent.

 

[WiiUBricker]

In many countries it is legal to make backups (or rips) from one's own media, but illegal to download the game elsewhere.

Meh, who cares? Just because it's illegal doesn't (in this case) mean it's wrong. Morally acceptable in my opinion to download an ISO of a game you legally own.

But which makes you still a pirate

 

[wiismodrome]

In many nations, downloading software that you own is very much an illegal and criminally punishable offence. The fact that a person owns a copy is legally irrelevant. If a person were to download an ISO in order to use Devolution with their scratched disc, they would be doing something illegal. So, why is it that something which is clearly illegal is morally permissible to certain people? Would the courts or the IP lawyers consider it morally permissible?

Or is this an example of moral relativism where one's subjective sense of right and wrong is all that matters? And if so, then what justifies the morality of AP in the first place? Because if morality is relative, and many people consider piracy to be morally permissible, then piracy cannot be objectively immoral, by the same line of reasoning used to justify the morality of using an illegally downloaded copy.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

Yes, I saw the point the post was making. My point stands; who cares?

I would think tueidj should care about the fact that Devo's AP is flawed enough to force some users to pirate games, since that's the kind of thing it was implemented to prevent.

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

 

[WiiUBricker]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

Exactly. If somebody points a gun at you and threatens you to shoot if you don't do 100 push ups, it's not forcing because your choices are your own. Nobody is forced in live to do anything.

 

[wiismodrome]

Further, in many nations (e.g. Germany, U.S.A., and soon Canada) is also illegal to break digital locks. This means that it is illegal to rip a copy protected game, whether you own it or not; personal use does not apply. Gamecube games are copy protected, and where such laws exist, it follows that it is illegal to use backup loaders for Gamecube games, because digital locks must be broken in order to rip the games to the hard drive. In other words, anyone using Devolution must engage in illegal activity in order to rip game ISOs to their hard drive. There's no legal way to use Devolution, except perhaps for copyright owners.

My general point is that people seem to draw an arbitrary line in the sand.... "oh... what I'm doing is illegal, but I'm personally okay with it.... but what you're doing... that's piracy... and you're a bad person for doing it". Smacks of moral relativism....

 

[retKHAAAN]

Definition of PUNISH



transitive verb

1
a : to impose a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation
b : to inflict a penalty for the commission of (an offense) in retribution or retaliation


No one has been "punished" here, despite all the butthertedness claiming otherwise. Claiming that tueidj has somehow wronged anyone or prevented anyone from doing anything is like complaining that there's no sugar in Diet Pepsi... If you want sugar, drink regular Pepsi.

Debating the legality of downloading isos is pointless. Does anyone actually think they are going to convince him to remove the AP with their "in some countries..." or "what I think..." arguments? He put it in there because he wanted to put it in there. It seems most of you are just bitching for the sake of bitching...still...after how long now?

 

[JoostinOnline]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

Exactly. If somebody points a gun at you and threatens you to shoot if you don't do 100 push ups, it's not forcing because your choices are your own. Nobody is forced in live to do anything.

Because that is exactly what happened here. tueidj put a gun to your head and said you had to use Devolution or he would shoot you. Oh wait...

 

[WiiUBricker]

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

Exactly. If somebody points a gun at you and threatens you to shoot if you don't do 100 push ups, it's not forcing because your choices are your own. Nobody is forced in live to do anything.

Because that is exactly what happened here. tueidj put a gun to your head and said you had to use Devolution or he would shoot you. Oh wait...

*Facepalm*, I thought it was obvious that my sarcastic post wasn't an analogy to Devolution, but to point out the flaw in your logic.

 

[Ericss]

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

Yes, I saw the point the post was making. My point stands; who cares?

I would think tueidj should care about the fact that Devo's AP is flawed enough to force some users to pirate games, since that's the kind of thing it was implemented to prevent.

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

If people want to use Devolution but have their games' discs too scratched, then they're being forced to download the games. Stop using strawman arguments such as semantics.

And if you respond to this post, please answer this question: How is an AP that disallows some legit users from using the product unless they pirate a good idea?

Definition of PUNISH



transitive verb

1
a : to impose a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation
b : to inflict a penalty for the commission of (an offense) in retribution or retaliation


No one has been "punished" here, despite all the butthertedness claiming otherwise. Claiming that tueidj has somehow wronged anyone or prevented anyone from doing anything is like complaining that there's no sugar in Diet Pepsi... If you want sugar, drink regular Pepsi.

Oh, stop drama queening. No one said that tueidj is wronging anyone. The thing being discussed and criticized is the AP, not tueidj.

And people with scratched discs would be able to play their games using Devolution if the AP didn't exist. Ergo, the AP IS punishing people and IS preventing them from doing something.

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

Exactly. If somebody points a gun at you and threatens you to shoot if you don't do 100 push ups, it's not forcing because your choices are your own. Nobody is forced in live to do anything.

Because that is exactly what happened here. tueidj put a gun to your head and said you had to use Devolution or he would shoot you. Oh wait...

Oh, for pity's sake. Are you THIS dense? WiiBricker isn't saying that tueidj's actions are equivalent to putting a gun in someone's head, he's merely making an analogy to show the fallacy in your argument.

 

[Deleted member 256505]

I think the point people are trying to make is that Devolution's AP not only inconveniences some of the app's users but it also forces them to pirate, despite existing for the sole purpose of preventing piracy.

My point stands; who cares?

"Who cares" is not an acceptable counterargument.

 

[JoostinOnline]

If people want to use Devolution but have their games' discs too scratched, then they're being forced to download the games. Stop using strawman arguments such as semantics.

I'm not using strawman arguments. They aren't FORCED to download the games. They could repurchase them. Sure it sucks, but it's not like breaking the law is the only option, and using Devolution isn't necessary either.

And if you respond to this post, please answer this question: How is an AP that disallows some legit users from using the product unless they pirate a good idea?

Again, you are wrong about piracy being the only option.

It's not forcing anyone to do anything. Your choices are your own.

Exactly. If somebody points a gun at you and threatens you to shoot if you don't do 100 push ups, it's not forcing because your choices are your own. Nobody is forced in live to do anything.

Because that is exactly what happened here. tueidj put a gun to your head and said you had to use Devolution or he would shoot you. Oh wait...

Oh, for pity's sake. Are you THIS dense? WiiBricker isn't saying that tueidj's actions are equivalent to putting a gun in someone's head, he's merely making an analogy to show the fallacy in your argument.

My argument is sound. Stop saying that you are being forced to do anything. There is no fallacy in my statement. It's a simple truth.

 

[wiismodrome]

Debating the legality of downloading isos is pointless. Does anyone actually think they are going to convince him to remove the AP with their "in some countries..." or "what I think..." arguments? He put it in there because he wanted to put it in there. It seems most of you are just bitching for the sake of bitching...still...after how long now?

Do you even own a Wii or any Gamecube games? Have you even used Devolution?

Whether or not this thread, and the sound arguments within, convince anyone is beside the point. According to the DMCA, no one in the U.S.A. can legally rip their copy protected Gamecube games to use them in Devolution (unless they are the rightful copyright owner of said games). In other words, in order use Devolution, a person has to break the law.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Debating the legality of downloading isos is pointless. Does anyone actually think they are going to convince him to remove the AP with their "in some countries..." or "what I think..." arguments? He put it in there because he wanted to put it in there. It seems most of you are just bitching for the sake of bitching...still...after how long now?

Do you even own a Wii or any Gamecube games? Have you even used Devolution?

Whether or not this thread, and the sound arguments within, convince anyone is beside the point. According to the DMCA, no one in the U.S.A. can legally rip their copy protected Gamecube games to use them in Devolution (unless they are the rightful copyright owner of said games). In other words, in order use Devolution, a person has to break the law.

That's actually a rather gray area. It's been debated with valid arguments from both sides. Please let's not start it up here, but you can search "DMCA" on gbatemp for some threads regarding the issue.