Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[JoostinOnline]

I know it's illegal, it's still pointless to make legit owners suffer for the actions of pirates.

You aren't suffering.

 

[the_randomizer]

I know it's illegal, it's still pointless to make legit owners suffer for the actions of pirates.

You aren't suffering.

I'm not, but others are, especially those who have scratched discs, dead DVD-ROM drives. New GCN games are way overpriced.

 

[JoostinOnline]

I know it's illegal, it's still pointless to make legit owners suffer for the actions of pirates.

You aren't suffering.

I'm not, but others are, especially those who have scratched discs, dead DVD-ROM drives. New GCN games are way overpriced.

1) They are like 2 bucks on amazon
2) That doesn't mean they are suffering. They are just where they were before.

 

[snikerz]

I don't think the AP protection will ever be cracked at this rate.

It already is. There's just no point in releasing it ATM - the person who cracked it will at least wait for Wiimote support before wasting all effort on a version which is worse than DM in terms of compatibility.

 

[DEFIANT]

smart move

 

[the_randomizer]

I don't think the AP protection will ever be cracked at this rate.

It already is. There's just no point in releasing it ATM - the person who cracked it will at least wait for Wiimote support before wasting all effort on a version which is worse than DM in terms of compatibility.

That was fast, but yes, very smart of him to wait until Wiimote support is added.

 

[Maxternal]

I don't think the AP protection will ever be cracked at this rate.

It already is. There's just no point in releasing it ATM - the person who cracked it will at least wait for Wiimote support before wasting all effort on a version which is worse than DM in terms of compatibility.

That was fast, but yes, very smart of him to wait until Wiimote support is added.

If he's waiting because he's afraid that [member='tueidj'] will stop developing it if it's leaked, I would say it would have been best to wait until it's a nearly perfect product as far as compatibility. (basically, when he, himself, says he's not going to continue working on it further.)

If he's waiting because he's afraid that he'll tighten security when he finds out how it was cracked it may have been a better idea not to have mentioned it at all and not given him reason to further tighten security just yet in case he's actually able to figure out where the hole in his security was without actually seeing the cracked release. (In other words, "sorry, too late to avoid that one").

 

[JoostinOnline]

More likely he isn't releasing it because he isn't a douchebag.

 

[the_randomizer]

More likely he isn't releasing it because he isn't a douchebag.

Then why bother telling people he cracked it if he isn't going to release it?

 

[JoostinOnline]

More likely he isn't releasing it because he isn't a douchebag.

Then why bother telling people he cracked it if he isn't going to release it?

He did it for himself as a personal challenge, and he already said he won't release it because he respects tueidj.

 

[kaulsuraj]

who cracked it

 

[the_randomizer]

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

 

[lex luthor]

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

Maybe the this person is sharing this crack with his friends by pm and telling them not to tell anyone who knows

 

[the_randomizer]

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

Maybe the this person is sharing this crack with his friends by pm and telling them not to tell anyone who knows

It's still a douchebag thing to do. It's like winning a million dollars without telling anyone how you did it and adding to the insult by not sharing it. Oh, and if he's sharing the cracked program with his friends, then that's being a bloody hypocritical wanker.

 

[JoostinOnline]

who cracked it

He doesn't want his name mentioned.

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

Legit users who want a cracked version? If you want an unofficial version, you aren't a legit user. And he does respect tueidj, people just do stuff to see if they can.

Stop acting like people with scratched discs or broken drives are getting cheated. I'm repurchasing most of my games so I can use Devolution, but you don't hear me whining about it. I accept it and am buying the games because I am excited to make more use out of his app. If I had a broken drive, I would spend $30 on a replacement one.

 

[the_randomizer]

It doesn't help the fact that this program corrupts hard drives. What about those discs that are listed as compatible but don't get verified? Why should I have to repurchase games I already legally own?

Again, the guy shouldn't have mentioned decryption.

 

[JoostinOnline]

It doesn't help the fact that this program corrupts hard drives.

I'm pretty sure that is still a rumor.

What about those discs that are listed as compatible but don't get verified? Why should I have to repurchase games I already legally own?

That's the way things work. If you buy something, then break it, you can't use it anymore. It's your own fault that your discs are scratched (same applies to me).

Again, the guy shouldn't have mentioned decryption.

Well it wasn't supposed to get out. He mentioned it to a few people, myself included, with the request that we not spread it around. AFAIK, I was the only one who listened. It probably would have been better if he hadn't mentioned it (then we wouldn't have people like you complaining about how selfish it is), but he was excited.

But it doesn't really matter anyway. Don't get pissy because someone respects tueidj enough to not release his closed source code.

 

[Maxternal]

I cracked it ... wait ... no ... that's not true ... I forgot ... never mind ...

It's still a douchebag thing to do. It's like winning a million dollars without telling anyone how you did it and adding to the insult by not sharing it. Oh, and if he's sharing the cracked program with his friends, then that's being a bloody hypocritical wanker.

Personally, if I won a million bucks I wouldn't go publishing it on the internet. I don't really like the ideas of a whole bunch of people showing up at my door looking for money. I'm sure the same goes with him. He doesn't want a flood of PM's asking for a link. Unless you're one of the people he personally informed of this (not me) and you personally feel he has a good reputation or he gave you pics, links, etc, you can't even be sure it really happened (this is the internet after all).

 

[the_randomizer]

I cracked it ... wait ... no ... that's not true ... I forgot ... never mind ...

It's still a douchebag thing to do. It's like winning a million dollars without telling anyone how you did it and adding to the insult by not sharing it. Oh, and if he's sharing the cracked program with his friends, then that's being a bloody hypocritical wanker.

Personally, if I won a million bucks I wouldn't go publishing it on the internet. I don't really like the ideas of a whole bunch of people showing up at my door looking for money. I'm sure the same goes with him. He doesn't want a flood of PM's asking for a link. Unless you're one of the people he personally informed of this (not me) and you personally feel he has a good reputation or he gave you pics, links, etc, you can't even be sure it really happened (this is the internet after all).

You know what I mean, unless he has proof, his claim is as valid as a fully functional PS3 emulator.

 

[Rydian]

Cause changing a conditional jump to a normal jump isn't done all the time in the hacking scene to make programs bypass registration checks, etc.

Therein lies the issue; programs like Devolution use very peculiar methods/code which, when executed, produce the aforementioned fragile DVV files which must remain in a specific location at all times. So far, I can think of two very hard-to-crack (if not impossible) things with strong encryption, the 3DS and Devolution.

Yeah, see, there's a major difference.

3DS - We cannot debug the firmware. We have no emulation/debugging environments capable of running the 3DS firmware to inspect.

Wii Software - We have dolphin, which not only has a built-in debugger (run it with the d argument), but runs in windows meaning you can attach third-party tools to it (though of course built-in functions are often best as you don't need to do address translation and shit). As far as not running everything in an emulator (in regards to homebrew which uses hardware outside of what Nintendo's SDK does), I've heard that Normatt has a version of desmume he modified to be able to test AKAIO in, so it's not outside the realm of plausibility at all.

That's the other thing, why do authors hold on to IP when they no longer benefit from it?

It's automatic.
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html#duration

If you're going to crack a difficult encryption and not release it, then mentioning (see: bragging) doesn't do jacks**t for those legit users want a cracked version. If he truly respected tueidj, he never would have cracked it in the first place, now would he?

Personal challenge, prove it can be done, etc.

Stop acting like people with scratched discs or broken drives are getting cheated.

This. If your disc is scratched to the point that it won't verify, then it's not going to fully work on an actual GC/Wii (breaking depending on where the scratch is and such).

I'm tired of that shitty logic. If this program didn't exist your scratched discs wouldn't be useful anyways.