1. Taleweaver

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    This thread has made my day. Retroactively, even (I only read it now, even though it was already up when I woke up this morning).

    I read the other thread and gisted from the few comments that actually brought some sources into it that it wasn't the doom and gloom that the OP assumed it was. And perhaps still assumes, because I certainly failed to convince him otherwise. :unsure:
     
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  2. TheDarkGreninja

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    I love how half the responses on this thread are people who didn't even read the article. Says a lot about where people's heads are at.
     
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    Im pretty sure this law is a good thing. Fairly certain it mandates that it makes switch communication illegal going forward as the mike to phone to switch bullcrap is 100% not compliant
     
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    No, just forced government bullshit. The government can suck it.
     
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    Well it's because it is government interference in the free market. There are several reasons that I'm upset by this:
    1. Video games have been a self-regulated industry for a long time now, and seeing government overstep their bounds yet again in the name of "charity" is saddening. If a business wants to expand the customer base, they would add these features on their own, and many already do. Plus, with it being required, most will just do the bare minimum to skirt around the law and it won't help anyone that much.
    2. A minor inconvenience at best for the large publishers, this will hurt indies who wish to include online features in their games. Just another barrier of entry favoring big business over small. Many indie games will now not include any online communication or any online features at all because they may not have the manpower, time, money, or legal counsel to ensure that they are following all regulations. This is similar to the way the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) hurts small businesses and provides a disincentive to competing with the big guys. If anyone's seen Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, they have an episode all about that which mirrors my thoughts on the subject.
    3. While I'm all for regulation that actually protects workers and consumers from shady business practices, this is not one of those. This is an attempt to make charity a compelled act, rather than an axtual charitable one. Hell, as we've seen with EA and the Belgian authorities, many of the large publishers may just find it more cost-effective to just pay the fines instead of implementing or removing features. So in reality, it's just government racketeering in the guise of good will towards man.
     
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    Don’t worry. Government will fix that text problem.
     
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    They do such a great job at everything else!
     
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    Trusting the government to fix all the problems in the country, what could possibly go wrong??
     
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    But the government isn't directly intervening? As far as I can tell, the most that will happen is a fine and it's only focussed on communication, so I can't see any issue here, to be honest.
     
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    So you laughing at the government support of the disabled people? Even if they steal money, they are trying, and not promoting hate speech on a video game forum. (which makes no sense)

    Can´t wait to see your kids ending up handicapped or impaired, I know you will be the first one pledging from support from the government or people.
     
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    Fine’s is not intervening, it doesn’t count.

    I have family members that are mentally retarded. So I already know what it’s like.
     
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    Then you are not respecting them the way you treat disabilities overall (ie, not a joke in the slightest)

    But I guess you know the word respect each other, right?
     
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    Sorry, but you seem to be speaking out of your ass here.
    How will it hurt indies? By standardising a practice of communication that better allows disabled gamers to communicate with others, all indie devs have to do is copy what the rest of the industry is doing, which won't be hard if literally everyone else is doing it. It won't require manpower if support is there at the foundations for more accessible communication.
    It's like saying that ramps for wheelchair users are bad for small businesses because it costs money, it will only be a boon to businesses to implement a method to allow more customers into their stores etc.

    Then what is the problem?
     
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    Yep, a fine that EA and friends will just pay and not actually implement anything. This only hurts studios that can't afford to pay the fines, nor afford to implement the features. Plus, a lot of games are starting to include accessibility features already. Why? Because they want to expand their customer base. The free market at work. There was no reason to make it a law. "If someone saws 'there ought to be a law,' there probably oughtn't" -Penn Jillette

    Lol "hate speech." Don't get me started on that one.
     
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    Well you don't know what the fine is so how can you say that with confidence?
    Furthermore, this law is already found in other forms of media and hasn't caused the catastrophic damage you claim it could cause to small businesses there.
    Honestly, it looks to be more of an issue of wanting to be free of the government rather than pure logical thought of the issue.
     
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    Nothing actually I wasn’t criticizing the law.
     
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    You think the US Government is going to take the time to do that? How would they make any money from fines that way?
     
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    Ah my bad.
     
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    Is that a bad thing?
     
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    The goal of a fine isn't to make money, it's to ward off people from breaking that law.
     
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