The European Parliament just approved Article 13

[notimp]

Meh, it's also the law that drivers are supposed to respect speed limits, and the only effect of that law is increased brake wear and collision risk where cameras are located

Also wear and tear, and emissions, and noise pollution. Those three Im certain of.

 

[Viri]

Well, this is what happens when pretty much senior citizens are in charge of your internet laws, lols.

 

[LoganJones]

It's authoritarianism. The government decides everything for its people through its governing body, and the people have no say in the matter. I feel bad for all you Europeans. You are all not just EU citizens, you are all peoples of unique countries.

 

[Viri]

I guess VPNs are about to become really popular in Europe in 2 years.

 

[Xzi]

It's authoritarianism. The government decides everything for its people through its governing body, and the people have no say in the matter. I feel bad for all you Europeans. You are all not just EU citizens, you are all peoples of unique countries.

Peoples of unique countries which elected terrible representatives for the most part, it would seem. Not that the US has been any better in regard to our federal government lately.

 

[spotanjo3]

The future sucks! So is the World gone berserk due to the global warming.

 

[Xzi]

The future sucks! So is the World gone berserk due to the global warming.

Lol, global warming is definitely going to affect more than just internet laws. I expect most of the world will go full fascist once droughts and natural disasters start displacing tens of millions of people. Especially because the world has decided to be reactionary rather than proactive in handling the problem.

 

[Idontknowwhattoputhere]

To all you yankees out there
This will affect you

 

[LoganJones]

Peoples of unique countries which elected terrible representatives for the most part, it would seem. Not that the US has been any better in regard to our federal government lately.

Um, the MEPs are not democratically elected by their own representative people. Rather, they are chosen by their own party.

 

[Xzi]

To all you yankees out there
This will affect you

No it won't, but we've already got pieces of shit like Ajit Pai sabotaging our internet regulations in different ways.

Um, the MEPs are not democratically elected by their own representative people. Rather, they are chosen by their own party.

So they elect representatives to choose representatives. Same thing essentially, just a bit more roundabout.

 

[LoganJones]

No it won't, but we've already got pieces of shit like Ajit Pai sabotaging our internet regulations in different ways.


So they elect representatives to elect representatives. Same thing essentially, just a bit more roundabout.

No it won't, but we've already got pieces of shit like Ajit Pai sabotaging our internet regulations in different ways.


So they elect representatives to choose representatives. Same thing essentially, just a bit more roundabout.

And undemocratic.

 

[Idontknowwhattoputhere]

No it won't, but we've already got pieces of shit like Ajit Pai sabotaging our internet regulations in different ways.


So they elect representatives to choose representatives. Same thing essentially, just a bit more roundabout.

Yes it would affect you
Indirectly

 

[Xzi]

And undemocratic.

I agree, but because of the electoral college, we've got essentially the same system here in America. Just nobody willing to say, "hey, maybe this system is a bit too archaic and should be updated."

 

[Ryccardo]

So they elect representatives to choose representatives. Same thing essentially, just a bit more roundabout.

Not that the number of layers matters, since they have no duty to actually represent the majority's interest (or their electoral promises)

Only a few years/decades more for the internet being recognized beyond any doubt to be a necessity, and direct democracy would become reasonably achievable - that is, of course, if "they" had interest in letting it become so...

 

[Doran754]

The EU.

 

[Xzi]

The EU.

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Basically, the EU is to individual European countries what the federal government is to the individual states in the US. I can see the reasons why some people wouldn't like it, but I can also see the reasons for why it might be better than having a mish-mash of a billion different laws governing different countries in the same region. Ultimately ISPs would likely follow whichever laws are the strictest for the region regardless, in order to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.

 

[gman666]

Just insane how much companies and special interest are willing to go to strip away freedom of expression and even shift ownership away from culture/individuals. Good luck enforcing such a broad law...

 

[the_randomizer]

Oh look at that, politicians being a bunch of inept, out-of-touch assholes.

 

[Captain_N]

And this is why less government is better. Trying to get dumb asses to understand that is the problem.

 

[notimp]

Well, this is what happens when pretty much senior citizens are in charge of your internet laws, lols.

Demographic curve. Cant do anything about it. Our most tech forward publically known politician in the EU (Jan Albrecht) got promoted to stare at cows in germany (MInistery of energy transition, agriculture, environment and digitization (suuure) in Schleswig-Holstein) Paid better I presume...

Also this was an initiative of the german publishing lobby (lobbying is something normal, remember that kids, its just that the people with money have more get togethers, access and legislation drafts to share with politicians, which is something thats "wanted" because the publishing industry especially must be able to create then-ish jobs over the next 50 years... Look up Matthias Döpfner. And now that we have upload filters, artists surely will be able to make money again... (What?)).

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Basically, the EU is to individual European countries what the federal government is to the individual states in the US. I can see the reasons why some people wouldn't like it, but I can also see the reasons for why it might be better than having a mish-mash of a billion different laws governing different countries in the same region. Ultimately ISPs would likely follow whichever laws are the strictest for the region regardless, in order to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.

Yes, but. There is a regular thing, where parties in their home countries represent one stance, and in the EU they vote entirely different. Then their stance in the home country gets spread by media (as it should be) and their stance in the EU doest reach any of the citizens. And there is a thing, that topics on the EU level get hardly discussed in the nation states, because their journalist usually arent where legislation happens. (Laugh about it in the age of the internet, but it has an effect.)) We call that (and the fact that the parliament cant draft legislation, only vote on existing one) a deficit in democracy. And its known throughout the member states that thats a thing. And we all swallow it, because a larger political union is needed, at least on trade and financial politics. Then article 13 happens, and I personally am not part taking in the next EU elections because of it. Call that democracy?