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Discussion in 'General Off-Topic Chat' started by smile72, Mar 20, 2012.
Another reason to hate Florida.
So we should hate Florida because their younger generation is protesting inhumanity?
No, you didn't read the article. Because Zimmerman wasn't arrested.
So the kid was minding his own business, was packin' skittles, and this white dude was in his car with a gun.
White guy gets out of car, shoots kid, and gets off on self defense.
God Bless America.
That's called murder, not self defense.
Not according to the NRA or Florida (bought and owned by the NRA).
I read the article but unless Zimmerman was proven to have not shot out of self defense, he's "innocent until proven guilty". To be honest there's not much in the article about how it happened and what exactly happened or even if the crime was racial. A lot of it is just guesswork.
EDIT: I'm certainly not defending anyone here but I know little about what happened and I'm not gonna deem anyone a murderer or a jumpy neighborhood watch leader from the little bit I've seen.
It's not guesswork Zimmerman was told not to get out of his car by the police. He disobeyed got out and shot the kid, claimed self defense.
Bringing fists to a gunfight is dumb (not that he knew). Since this young man had been unarmed, use of deadly force is unneeded. If I felt threatened, I would always shoot lower. A leg wound will incapacitate a threat just as well as a bullet in the head.
In all honesty if I felt threatened and a cop told me to "stay in the car" when I could deal with the threat myself I'd do the latter. Of course the issue of whether this was self defense or not.
Then you're pretty paranoid. And you should then be arrested.
This is what you're saying now. Without proper CQC training the natural instincts dictate that you kill your enemy - it is an inner force that is hard to control. To some self-control it comes naturally, others are trigger-happy, quick to pull it when terrified and require field training to become calm and collected in health/life-threatening situations.
If he did it in self-defense then God bless him for shooting an attacker in the leg.
Well I'm saying like if I saw a guy beating up another guy or breaking into a house or something. Of course if some dude was just taking a stroll I wouldn't run out with my gun shouting "YIPPEE KAY YAY MOTHERFUCKER", but if it was like a mugging or other violent crime, I'd definitely intervene if I had the resources to do so.
Also, arresting someone purely for paranoia (note: not any actual act like a shooting or assault) is pretty authoritarian right there.
If Metal Gear Solid 3 has taught us anything, proper CQC involves hiding in tall grass and jumping them before they call their guards on the radio.
Guild & Foxi4 are unlearned on the topic of Racism. Any White on Black crime is a hate crime. The vice versa isn't. Theft, murder, etc. It's a hate crime. You cannot argue against it. Unless you're racist at heart.
So if I shoot a black guy because he's attacking me it's a "hate crime" but if I shoot a white guy whose attacking me then it's just self defense?
Pretty sure there was a whole episode on South Park about hate crimes but I can't really recall it.
In this case, don't create your own scenario. It's not being arrested for being paranoid, it's being arrested for murder when you've already killed someone such as in this case.
Not sure if trolololing... or serious...
Well if this Zimmerman guy just shot him for "looking suspicious" then he deserves a needle in the arm.
I think this whole "self defense" law in theory sounds great but in practice seems a subject of abuse.
It is, no, it's a bad idea because the NRA supports. In the past they have supported keeping legal cop killer bullets and plastic guns.
We have a pretty good fix for that - before you are allowed to "kill in self-defense" with a firearm, you're supposed to shoot two times in the air while backing away, only then you are allowed to aim at the attacker unless the situation is dire enough to validate aiming on the spot, such as "being shot at" etc. Ballistic experts can easily determine how many times the gun was shot and which bullets came first, thus it's easier to determine whether the situation validated the use of lethal force and whether the defender did everything he could to scare the attacker away.
That, and extremely taxing training, both psychological and physical before you even get a permission to own a firearm. It's quite a rarity when someone gets one of those.
See you're just not getting it. If you shoot a white guy then it could self defense or just plain ol' murder. You shoot a black guy period it's a hate crime. South park is an unreliable soure b/c your learning about racism from white racists. Try Key & Peele.