Covid-19 vaccine

[Xzi]

What I am saying is that we can't change the whole of society for what is a statistical minority.

Well...we didn't change the whole of society. In fact, we didn't manage to get everybody to do even the bare minimum in combating this virus. That's precisely why vaccination is more critical for the US than anywhere else, both our infection rate and death rate is ludicrous relative to our population size.

I remember when the entire country came to a standstill over the 2,977 that died on 9/11. Now we have that many people dying daily and...meh? Guess those deaths only matter if they can be used to perpetuate imperialism and endless war.

Last, but do we get to choose which vaccine we take, should we be given a choice of which and, hopefully, aren't forced at a metaphorical gunpoint to choose?

Yes, you'll get to choose, and nobody is going to force you to get any version of the vaccine. As I said before, however, it's only a matter of time until businesses and venues decide to start requiring that customers be vaccinated to attend large events, fly on airplanes, etc.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Oh boy, we're gonna have a whole new round of Karens losing their shit when they're told they need to be vaccinated in order to attend large/group events and travel on airplanes. Probably a lot of overlap with the people who refused to wear masks, too.

As for me, yeah I'll get the vaccine as soon as it's available to the general public in my area. We have plenty of time to observe the side effects in healthcare and front line workers until then. I'd prefer the Moderna vaccine as it doesn't have to be stored quite as cold and therefore is probably less painful at the site of injection, but either works. I don't have any allergies that I'm aware of, so I'm not worried about a reaction in that regard.

Anybody who attended public school has already been vaccinated as a child. Some of y'all need to stop being such wusses/conspiracy nuts.

There's the flu vaccines, where they've been tested for years to the point that they have a proven formula to protect people from each strand, and then there's the new vaccine that took seven months. I'd rather risk COVID.

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I remember when the entire country came to a standstill over the 2,977 that died on 9/11. Now we have that many people dying daily and...meh?

Comparing the entire country to one city block?

 

[linuxares]

There's the flu vaccines, where they've been tested for years to the point that they have a proven formula to protect people from each strand, and then there's the new vaccine that took seven months. I'd rather risk COVID.

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Comparing the entire country to one city block?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55041371

Please, they been working on the same kind of viruses for years... educate yourself man.

 

[Xzi]

There's the flu vaccines, where they've been tested for years to the point that they have a proven formula to protect people from each strand, and then there's the new vaccine that took seven months. I'd rather risk COVID.

Yes yes, I'm sure I'd be paranoid too if I was 15, had a bunch of right-wing propaganda sites bookmarked, and didn't understand the first thing about any of the science that goes into developing, testing, and approving a vaccine.

And don't worry, you won't be risking anything, because you'll still be stuck inside while the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves come next summer.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55041371

Please, they been working on the same kind of viruses for years... educate yourself man.

If COVID is so similar to diseases that we've had for years, why did we have to lock down or mandate masks?

 

[Xzi]

If COVID is so similar to diseases that we've had for years, why did we have to lock down or mandate masks?

Because "similar" =/= "the exact same?" We had a vaccine for a different coronavirus already, just not COVID-19 specifically.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Because "similar" =/= "the exact same?" We had a vaccine for a different coronavirus already, just not COVID-19 specifically.

But we still had a similar disease before. You don't lock down an entire country for a disease you've dealt with before just because you don't have a vaccine. Otherwise, we'd lock down every time a new strand of the flu was discovered.

 

[Xzi]

But we still had a similar disease before. You don't lock down an entire country for a disease you've dealt with before just because you don't have a vaccine. Otherwise, we'd lock down every time a new strand of the flu was discovered.

...It's called "COVID-19" because it was discovered in late 2019. We hadn't "dealt with it before" or we would've had a vaccine for it ready to go the second patient zero was discovered in the US. What even is logic?

 

[SAIYAN48]

Once it's proven to have little to no side effects, then I might. I really want the nasal spray; I hate needles!

 

[UltraSUPRA]

...It's called "COVID-19" because it was discovered in late 2019. We hadn't "dealt with it before" or we would've had a vaccine for it ready to go the second patient zero was discovered in the US. What even is logic?

We did deal with it before. It's a different strand of the virus. Different strands mean that you need to create a new vaccine, but the effect on people is still the same.

 

[Xzi]

We did deal with it before. It's a different strand of the virus. Different strands mean that you need to create a new vaccine, but the effect on people is still the same.

Oh my sweet summer child. No. The only 1:1 similarity between the previous virus (swine flu) and COVID-19 is that they're both coronavirus, "corona" meaning "crown." The mortality rate, how the virus is spread, the parts of the body it attacks, everything else is entirely different. Put simply: the outer structure of each virus cell is nearly identical, but it's the inner-workings of COVID-19 which took at least 11 months to understand.

 

[linuxares]

If COVID is so similar to diseases that we've had for years, why did we have to lock down or mandate masks?

Because MERS and SARS were very local, and didn't spread half around the world. They weren't as infectious. Also it's very common in South East Asia to wear masks already, as a common courtesies to not spread a common cold to others Why do you think some countries manage to handle COVID better than some others?
This is the Spanish flu all over again, but this time around, we got more information, more knowledge and better healthcare.

 

[Sicklyboy]

You don't lock down an entire country for a disease you've dealt with before just because you don't have a vaccine.

I don't know if you've looked outside your basement window or checked the internet any time over the past 11 months, but newsflash - the US didn't lock down.

This is the Spanish flu all over again, but this time around, we got more information, more knowledge and better healthcare.

And more stupidity, misinformation, and Dunning-Kruger Effect.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

I don't know if you've looked outside your basement window or checked the internet any time over the past 11 months, but newsflash - the US didn't lock down.

I had to wear a mask at the mall. When I'm talking about lockdowns, I don't just mean actually forbidding anyone to go outside, I mean mandating anything that isn't normal and restricting freedom for the sake of """safety""". I'd like you to look at this graph.

 

[ut2k4master]

I'd like you to look at this graph.

yes, and? we already know youre being brainwashed by right wing conspiracy theories, you didnt need to post that picture saying basically the same thing

 

[omgcat]

Facial paralysis was noted in some people who received the vaccine, but so far it is not clear if that is at a higher rate than the general population. I'm gonna need some sources to back up your infertility claims.

but not greater than background stats.

there were 4 cases of bells palsy in the 30k test group (13.33/100000), which is lower than background chances of getting it in general (24/100,000). also, all incidences of bell's palsy resolved in less than 21 days.

I'm getting the vaccine when available since I'm worried about covid fucking me up long-term (long haulers) or it giving me Erectile dysfunction / sperm damage.

i guess people will risk their dick not working / neutering themselves to own the libs!

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I had to wear a mask at the mall. When I'm talking about lockdowns, I don't just mean actually forbidding anyone to go outside, I mean mandating anything that isn't normal and restricting freedom for the sake of """safety""". I'd like you to look at this graph.
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are you in an abusive relationship when your doctor tells you to stop drinking bleach and eating 50,000 calories a day because it's fucking you up?

also, being under 18, your parents can force you to get vaccinated, or schools won't let you attend, which means no diploma for you, and by extension good luck getting into college.

 

[Big Man Tyrone2]

I had to wear a mask at the mall. When I'm talking about lockdowns, I don't just mean actually forbidding anyone to go outside, I mean mandating anything that isn't normal and restricting freedom for the sake of """safety""". I'd like you to look at this graph.
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Well, to quote the many right-wing pundits...
"If you don't like it, just leave!"

 

[linuxares]

I had to wear a mask at the mall. When I'm talking about lockdowns, I don't just mean actually forbidding anyone to go outside, I mean mandating anything that isn't normal and restricting freedom for the sake of """safety""". I'd like you to look at this graph.
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So what you're saying that private businesses demands you to wear all mask to protect themselves and other's from you potentially have the virus? Sounds like like a part of said freedom that you you claim you don't have at the moment should continue to until we can vaccinated a majority of the world.

As I said stated earlier. If you don't get the vaccine I hope people Fer special treatment like no fly bans, no school privilege amd hard to at least getting jobs. It freedom isn't granted, it's earned.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

also, being under 18, your parents can force you to get vaccinated, or schools won't let you attend, which means no diploma for you, and by extension good luck getting into college.

I'm homeschooled, and my parents said I won't have to get the vaccine if I don't want to.

So what you're saying that private businesses demands you to wear all mask to protect themselves and other's from you potentially have the virus?

The governor is the one who mandated masks.

 

[Alexander1970]

Very nice,we have actual (December 18th 2020 - 1:44 am in Austria) a near 50:50 Percent Vote Result.
Very,very nice.