Covid-19 vaccine

[Taleweaver]

I've already answered this question elsewhere. It hasn't changed: yes, I'll get it as soon as it becomes available for me, but the medical workers and elders are - rightfully - a higher priority right now.

I'll also repeat my "fuck you" aimed at those who refuse it for other than medical reasons.

Only no Flu and Covid19 - I am not afraid,but I have an intact Immune System (I had no Flu for over 4 Years and still no Covid/Symptoms *knock on Wood*).

Flu - In my Opinion senseless - If/when the Vaccine is about to "work" ,the Virus(es) are already mutated to the "next Level" so it is no effective Protection.......in my Opinion...same for Corona.

Ouch...I hate to break it to you, mate...but that reasoning is worse than most anti-vaxxers I've heard.

Mutations always happen, but in order for mutations to actually influence things requires something important like 'immunity from the vaccination' requires many generations (and that's assuming the vaccine isn't reproducable with more "current" stains of the virus...but this is a topic I know little about). In order to mutate to that degree, it needs to survive long enough in a fertile environment.
With a few vulnerable animals as exception, humans are the best 'breeding ground' for the virus (has to be, or it wouldn't be able to spread to others). So what's the best chance of eliminating the thing? Vaccinate as many people as possible.

In other words: your idea that covid-19 vaccinations won't work "because of mutation" is only helping creating that truth in the long term.

I'm not sure what to say about the "I have an intact ummune system" argument. Yeah...so have I. So had most of the covid-19 patients. The reason we're currently not infected is partially our precautions, but - let's be honest here - also because of luck. But there shouldn't be a reason to rely on luck when you've got an actual vaccine that eliminates that factor.

So please...at least think about what you're saying, will you?

It's not that I'm not thankful for your kind words to me, but I don't "just" vaccinate myself for the sick people...I do it for all the POTENTIAL sick people that live now and will live after us. I don't want my daughter to grow up in a world where she has to get annual anti-covid vaccination shots because too many people in 2020/2021 came up with reasons to avoid fighting it.

I found the wannabe dictator.

I'd rather be a dictator over a healthy world than a mere peasant in a dying world where everyone's just looking after themselves. So no, you "oooh, you want to force people agains their will, therefor you're evil" spiel doesn't apply here.

 

[Alexander1970]

So please...at least think about what you're saying, will you?

Maybe I made an Mistake,to make this "short Post" and Explanation.


I think we both are near the same Age.

Maybe I have different "Experiences" with these "illnesses" Topic like you and that is good so.

I live my life now 50 Years,and (when I was in the Age to decided it for myself) I was always right with my personal Decisions for me for the Health Topic.

I had my "Period" where I was "depending" on medical Drugs and Vaccines.So I know now exactly what I am doing.
I prefer the "Natural" Way of Healing and "hear" what my Body,Soul and Spirit needs.


As I said in my Post,it is my personal Opinion (and Experiences I made in my Life).
For me - No Vaccine.

 

[Bladexdsl]

the pfizer one has a side effect though: it gives you a permanent hard on

 

[Alexander1970]

It's not that I'm not thankful for your kind words to me, but I don't "just" vaccinate myself for the sick people...I do it for all the POTENTIAL sick people that live now and will live after us. I don't want my daughter to grow up in a world where she has to get annual anti-covid vaccination shots because too many people in 2020/2021 came up with reasons to avoid fighting it.

I understand this completely,my Friend.You have my full understanding.

Spoiler: Personal Note and not the Opinion of 94% of Mankind..

..and these People has to be right,correct ?

It is maybe a "Dream" that we get "rid" of Covid19 and his "Offsprings".....
Call me insane or Fool or Ignorant or whatever....Covid(19) was "artificially" created and only the "Creators" knows what is exactly to do....
And a little "Economic Crisis" has helped these People very often...the Past confirms that.

But I am only a Fool...so,please do not listen to him...he is used to that.

 

[Lostbhoy]

I had my "Period"

Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[Alexander1970]

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Sorry, couldn't resist!

Damn...I knew it,I had used Segment.

 

[KageNinja]

why even have this debate. Just make it mandatory

Are you joking?

 

[Pipistrele]

Considering all the mayhem this virus already caused, I'll just roll with it. It's just not the kind of decision to "sit on", imo - the sooner it's done, the higher the chance of less people getting ill, and considering months of worldwide research and testing, I doubt people behind the vaccine would be that incompetent to rush it out the door without proper safety evaluation.

Facial paralysis is a side-effect of the vaccine.
Infertility is a side-effect of the vaccine. It won't affect me, but it could affect my sister.

Both are debunked by this point, afaik - one is rare to the point of correlation, and the other was a social media hoax.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

Facial paralysis was noted in some people who received the vaccine, but so far it is not clear if that is at a higher rate than the general population. I'm gonna need some sources to back up your infertility claims.

https://davidicke.com/2020/12/04/dr...studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

IDK so much about men, but apparently, it's been observed that the vaccine impairs the formation of placenta in females such that they essentially won't be able to reproduce. Also, I must say that the fact that there's sites like Wordpress closing down sub-sites discussing this stuff only makes one more curious and to take a trip to the Wayback Machine. If the information being spread around is false, why should it be taken down, de-platformed, or, to translate all of these terms into what they really are in plain English, censored?

I don't remember Thunderf00t trying to censor VenomFangX back in the day because what he said could lead to people holding "problematic" beliefs; if anything, the latter hung himself in terms of the argument when he tried to get the former's channel taken down and did a bunch of other stuff that made him look like the clown that he was.

 

[Deleted User]

As I have said previously, I will get vaccinated voluntarily. Costello will also get vaccinated voluntarily.

Those against the vaccine cite the low death rate but ignore long-covid. Polio survivors are living proof that just surviving an illness is not enough; you want to make a full recovery.

Source 1: https://gbatemp.net/threads/what-is-your-opinion-on-coronavirus-vaccines.573259/#post-9190321
Source 2: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-what-we-know-so-far

why even have this debate. Just make it mandatory

There's no point making the vaccine mandatory when there's not enough doses available for those who want one.

Hello.



No,I also do not want Flu Vaccines.
My still intact Immune System is too valuable for me to be destroyed by certain Chemicals / Poisons and Viruses = Vaccines.

If People want it,of course,please,they should get it,please.

For a vaccine which has passed phase 3 trials this argument is invalid. Unless you suffer from severe allergies you are much better off getting vaccinated.

Source 3: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...extreme-allergy-sufferers-regulators-reaction

50% is more than enough for herd immunity, as the current transmission rate is definitely below 2. (though it may take a bit of time until the tranmission is completely curbed, the risk will be hugely reduced)

An estimated 70% of people need to be immune to the coronavirus for herd immunity to work.

Source 4: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

https://davidicke.com/2020/12/04/dr...studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

IDK so much about men, but apparently, it's been observed that the vaccine impairs the formation of placenta in females such that they essentially won't be able to reproduce. Also, I must say that the fact that there's sites like Wordpress closing down sub-sites discussing this stuff only makes one more curious and to take a trip to the Wayback Machine. If the information being spread around is false, why should it be taken down, de-platformed, or, to translate all of these terms into what they really are in plain English, censored?

I don't remember Thunderf00t trying to censor VenomFangX back in the day because what he said could lead to people holding "problematic" beliefs; if anything, the latter hung himself in terms of the argument when he tried to get the former's channel taken down and did a bunch of other stuff that made him look like the clown that he was.

This myth has already been debunked. False information gets censored because people believe it and spread myths.

“It has been incorrectly suggested that COVID-19 vaccines will cause infertility because of a shared amino acid sequence in the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 and a placental protein,” she [Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts] said in an email. “The sequence, however, is too short to plausibly give rise to autoimmunity.”

Source 5: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-causes-infertility-sterilization/6497018002/

 

[Deleted User]

I have faith in the vaccine and plan to get it as soon as it is available to the broader public.
https://labs.icahn.mssm.edu/krammerlab/dr-krammer/
I followed the work of Austrian Professor Florian Krammer, Principal Investigator of the Sinai-Emory Multi-Institutional Collaborative Influenza Vaccine Innovation Center (SEM-CIVIC) in New York.
He took part in the Vaccine Phase 3 tests. He never got any kind of side effects.

 

[Alexander1970]

I like this "Side Effect" Topic.
Thank God,all People are "equal" in physical Condition.....so all People would react in the same Way of the Vaccine.....of course.

 

[Xzi]

Oh boy, we're gonna have a whole new round of Karens losing their shit when they're told they need to be vaccinated in order to attend large/group events and travel on airplanes. Probably a lot of overlap with the people who refused to wear masks, too.

As for me, yeah I'll get the vaccine as soon as it's available to the general public in my area. We have plenty of time to observe the side effects in healthcare and front line workers until then. I'd prefer the Moderna vaccine as it doesn't have to be stored quite as cold and therefore is probably less painful at the site of injection, but either works. I don't have any allergies that I'm aware of, so I'm not worried about a reaction in that regard.

Anybody who attended public school has already been vaccinated as a child. Some of y'all need to stop being such wusses/conspiracy nuts.

 

[Goku1992A]

Well it sucks because I have a son and the school is going to mandate for him to take it. I'll take it with my son I hate to do it but "sigh" it wouldn't feel right as a parent letting your child take a vaccine if you are not willing to take it. Only when it gets to the point that it's mandated I'm not voluntarily taking it.

 

[Silent_Gunner]

Oh boy, we're gonna have a whole new round of Karens losing their shit when they're told they need to be vaccinated in order to attend large/group events and travel on airplanes. Probably a lot of overlap with the people who refused to wear masks, too.

As for me, yeah I'll get the vaccine as soon as it's available to the general public in my area. We have plenty of time to observe the side effects in healthcare and front line workers until then. I'd prefer the Moderna vaccine as it doesn't have to be stored quite as cold and therefore is probably less painful at the site of injection, but either works. I don't have any allergies that I'm aware of, so I'm not worried about a reaction in that regard.

Anybody who attended public school has already been vaccinated as a child. Some of y'all need to stop being such wusses/conspiracy nuts.

I'd say the push for this vaccine, given all of the smoke and mirrors regarding various statistics regarding COVID, and what we know hospitals have misreported numbers just to get more subsidies, when mixed in with the fact that these lockdowns really have been quite something for a virus that, for the most part, is only lethal to those with health issues and the elderly, which isn't that different from any other virus in that regard. I am not saying that people with those health issues shouldn't quarantine and watch out for their own health, but where was the Swine flu lockdown? Maybe it's because it never quite made it to Illinois iirc, but I don't remember us locking the entire nation down then!

I am not saying that COVID isn't lethal, as I have a cousin who, because of health issues, she had to go to the ER, get put on a ventilator, and was in quite the condition before she thankfully made it out of the ordeal alive. What I am saying is that we can't change the whole of society for what is a statistical minority.

For example, I have Asperger's. I have had issues with socializing with others even to this day, some of it being the Asperger's, and some of it being my personality. Anyways, I wasn't ever told to demand that everyone treats me the same as everyone else, or to expect it. I was taught to make eye contact, read non-verbal cues, show manners, and a lot of other things that NTs (neurotypicals) take for granted. I doubt I have it perfect, and I can only imagine the damage this whole mask BS that is still supposed to be mandated even if one was to take the vaccine has done to kids who have had to grow up in these turbulent times.


Last, but do we get to choose which vaccine we take, should we be given a choice of which and, hopefully, aren't forced at a metaphorical gunpoint to choose?

 

[bodefuceta]

Well it sucks because I have a son and the school is going to mandate for him to take it. I'll take it with my son I hate to do it but "sigh" it wouldn't feel right as a parent letting your child take a vaccine if you are not willing to take it. Only when it gets to the point that it's mandated I'm not voluntarily taking it.

It sucks to hear this. Each day it seems like children become more like a commodity, something the government owns and allow you to raise the child for them, as long as you comply with their doctrines. Like a car that you "buy" and they take if you don't pay an yearly tax.

 

[Big Man Tyrone2]

Yes, although I don't want to be part of the first wave of vaccine recipients. Best to wait for results on a population-sized level.
To be honest, I don't really care if others take the vaccine or if they don't (provided that they aren't family/close friends). As long as me and my loved ones stay safe, it's just natural selection on whether you decide to take the vaccine or not.

why even have this debate. Just make it mandatory

No.

 

[x65943]

Oh boy, we're gonna have a whole new round of Karens losing their shit when they're told they need to be vaccinated in order to attend large/group events and travel on airplanes. Probably a lot of overlap with the people who refused to wear masks, too.

As for me, yeah I'll get the vaccine as soon as it's available to the general public in my area. We have plenty of time to observe the side effects in healthcare and front line workers until then. I'd prefer the Moderna vaccine as it doesn't have to be stored quite as cold and therefore is probably less painful at the site of injection, but either works. I don't have any allergies that I'm aware of, so I'm not worried about a reaction in that regard.

Anybody who attended public school has already been vaccinated as a child. Some of y'all need to stop being such wusses/conspiracy nuts.

"I'm not worried about a reaction in that regard."

There was that Alaskan healthcare worker who had a reaction without any past history of significant allergic reactions, but this should be very rare.

 

[laudern]

what is your alternative? people dying and shops going bankrupt?

Why even allow abortion? Just call it what it is, murder.

FYI, I actually am pro-choice, but I call a spade a spade.

 

[linuxares]

I'll get it. Fuck if I die by a vaccine (highly unlikely and it's not as rush to market as the Swineflu vaccine was), so be it.

But I also think people that don't get the vaccine should be shunned/be handled like children. "Oh you didn't vaccinate your precious children? Well sorry, they have to go to a different school. Thank you!"

It's a deadly disease. Do your civic duty.