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About the Texas massacre and easy access to guns.

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He should take his own advice and clean his room first.
Psh, just buy his daughter's book on healthy eating to solve all your problems! It worked so well for him. :P

Psychopaths can be surprisingly organised and efficient.
Well, yes, it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be a psychopath.

Your post does highlight why multiple approaches are necessary to reduce gun violence. You can reach some people by talking them down, but there are indeed psychopaths out there who need to be blocked from getting guns.
 

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Jordan Peterson, among others, has commented on this. In his view, which I think is correct, mass shooters are operating out of a profound sense of nihilism. They believe that not only is life nothing but suffering and therefore not worth living, but that the ultimate gift they can give is to relieve the suffering of others by freeing them from this mortal coil. As such, they try to take out as many people as possible before killing themselves, because they see it as advancing the "greater good" (relieving people of the state of suffering known as "life"). It's a very dark ideology, but there is a twisted logic to it, which suggests that such people can be convinced to take a different path if we can reach them before their sense of despair becomes overwhelming.


What makes them think that way, in your opinion? Or rather, do you feel it extends from personal history only, or do you believe that there are situations in society as a whole that helps to breed their sense on nihilism?

If you’re asking me whether their ownership of weapons is an exercise of 2A rights, the answer is yes - they have a right to own weapons. They just happen to be misusing that right to cause harm - they don’t have the right to do that. We had a conversation about causing damages earlier. The libertarian approach is very simple and based on the non-aggression principle. If you’re the aggressor, your rights are immediately void.

No the original question was my hypothetical.

Who’s suggesting that? I didn’t suggest any changes, I only specified my personal beliefs, and even mentioned that they’re unusual.

I'm not saying you were suggesting that, it was more rhetorical in nature.
 

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What makes them think that way, in your opinion? Or rather, do you feel it extends from personal history only, or do you believe that there are situations in society as a whole that helps to breed their sense on nihilism?
Life is indeed full of suffering, and if you haven't found someone or something to make enduring the suffering worthwhile, depression is a natural result, and feeling helpless and alone often leads to anger.

Social media has undoubtedly made this phenomenon worse. If you believe the lie that everyone on Instagram has a perfect life of awesomeness, you may feel like the only person who has a sad existence, so now you're adding resentment on top of all those other negative emotions. It's not really surprising that some of these people decide to lash out.
 
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Life is indeed full of suffering, and if you haven't found someone or something to make enduring the suffering worthwhile, depression is a natural result, and feeling helpless and alone often leads to anger.

Social media has undoubtedly made this phenomenon worse. If you believe the lie that everyone on Instagram has a perfect life of awesomeness, you may feel like the only person who has a sad existence, so now you're adding resentment on top of all those other negative emotions. It's not really surprising that some of these people decide to lash out.
Imagine being so idiotic to believe that Instagram, of all things, is real.
 

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I agree that selling a taco should be as easy as buying an assault rifle in Texas.

Buying a taco, however, is a lot easier.

Please continue answering our unasked question of,"how stupid are you?"
 
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Equating selling something on an official store to buying something on your own gotta be one of the stupidest comparisons I've seen in the last few years...

At least compare "selling tacos to selling guns" or "buying tacos to buying guns".
 

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Am I the only person in this thread who actually knows what an “assault rifle” is supposed to be? You cannot buy an “assault rifle” in Texas, or anywhere in the United States, unless it was manufactured before 1986 and is already registered with the ATF. An “assault rifle” is a select fire rifle - it must feature a fire mode selector with an automatic mode, a burst fire mode or both. Weapons like that are collectible pieces which are not only prohibitively expensive, but also require additional checks. The ATF needs to approve any transfer of ownership of such weapons and can outright deny the sale, no matter how much you’re willing to pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

You *cannot* buy a new firearm that would fulfil the criteria of an “assault rifle” classification - that is provided we assume that it’s even a real classification and not a marketing ploy. The term originates from the StG 44, or Sturmgewehr 44, which literally translates to “assault rifle” - we’ve been using it colloquially to describe weapons that are more substantial than a submachine gun (or machine pistol), but aren’t quite machine guns or battle rifles - they use intermediate-power cartridges. Normal semi-automatic rifles are not “assault rifles” just because politicians call them that and the public either doesn’t know any better or doesn’t care enough to call them out on their nonsense.
 

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Am I the only person in this thread who actually knows what an “assault rifle” is supposed to be? You cannot buy an “assault rifle” in Texas, or anywhere in the United States, unless it was manufactured before 1986 and is already registered with the ATF. An “assault rifle” is a select fire rifle - it must feature a fire mode selector with an automatic mode, a burst fire mode or both. Weapons like that are collectible pieces which are not only prohibitively expensive, but also require additional checks. The ATF needs to approve any transfer of ownership of such weapons and can outright deny the sale, no matter how much you’re willing to pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

You *cannot* buy a new firearm that would fulfil the criteria of an “assault rifle” classification - that is provided we assume that it’s even a real classification and not a marketing ploy. The term originates from the StG 44, or Sturmgewehr 44, which literally translates to “assault rifle” - we’ve been using it colloquially to describe weapons that are more substantial than a submachine gun (or machine pistol), but aren’t quite machine guns or battle rifles - they use intermediate-power cartridges. Normal semi-automatic rifles are not “assault rifles” just because politicians call them that and the public either doesn’t know any better or doesn’t care enough to call them out on their nonsense.
I thought someone in love with oversimplification such as you would appreciate the meme!
 

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Pretty much, yes. Drug possession is a vice crime, drug consumption is a matter of personal health and the government has absolutely no business criminalising either. All it does is create opportunity for organised crime, much like alcohol prohibition did. I’ve answered that question extensively earlier - what a person ingests is their business so long as they do not cause harm to others while they’re doing it. Legalising drugs makes them safer for consumers since they’d be subject to the same checks as other medicines, plus it creates a new emerging market which allows former petty criminals to go clean and legally participate in the economy while simultaneously eliminating associated organised crime.

It’s none of the government’s business to legislate or criminalise what people do with their penises and vaginas, criminalised prostitution only incentivises human trafficking and other associated criminal activity. The illegal part of prostitution is the moment when money changes hands, and I don’t see a reason why that should be. Put a camera in the same room and all of a sudden it’s not prostitution, it’s pornography. Legalising prostitution allows all prostitutes to make a legal, taxable income - they’d be eligible to get a pension and make an honest living. They’d also be able to take advantage of the healthcare system more openly, without hiding their occupation from doctors, and as such get better disease screenings. Finally, it eliminates another source of income for organised criminals, putting pimps out of a job. It’s just another criminalised vice, making it illegal does more harm than good.

That takes away one of the key benefits of legalisation - a path to making an honest, legal and taxable income for those involved in the trade. There’s no government monopoly in the production of medical drugs, I see no reason why recreational drugs should work differently.


Honestly speaking this is probably one of the few times I can wholly agree with you on these sentiments. The only issue I have with drug use being fully legal is how to prioritize the healthcare system around it. If you OD or start to get worsening side effects do you get treated at the same priority as everyone else or do you get lower priority over others since its something you willingly did to yourself that got you here? In a country where the only seemingly disadvantage of drug use would be its long term effects on you over time and the possibility of OD there would be much, much more willing to try and use, but also much more using the health system to help them out when they go too far with it. There needs to be a balance so the repercussions of drug use are still in play, and at the end of the day its the person's own fate of accepted responsibility if they go too far off the edge knowing that they will probably not get immediate assistance compared to someone who actually needs it.

Its a mixed bag of concepts, that said I know people who were complete druggies who are pretty much covered by state funded healthcare as of now. I always felt mixed on the idea of giving away free healthcare to those who did it to themselves while we, the ones who struggle day and night just to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table with our own money have to also pay out for our own healthcare as well, and not have it be nearly as good as theirs. A pretty ass-backwards system don't you think?
 

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Honestly speaking this is probably one of the few times I can wholly agree with you on these sentiments. The only issue I have with drug use being fully legal is how to prioritize the healthcare system around it. If you OD or start to get worsening side effects do you get treated at the same priority as everyone else or do you get lower priority over others since its something you willingly did to yourself that got you here? In a country where the only seemingly disadvantage of drug use would be its long term effects on you over time and the possibility of OD there would be much, much more willing to try and use, but also much more using the health system to help them out when they go too far with it. There needs to be a balance so the repercussions of drug use are still in play, and at the end of the day its the person's own fate of accepted responsibility if they go too far off the edge knowing that they will probably not get immediate assistance compared to someone who actually needs it.

Its a mixed bag of concepts, that said I know people who were complete druggies who are pretty much covered by state funded healthcare as of now. I always felt mixed on the idea of giving away free healthcare to those who did it to themselves while we, the ones who struggle day and night just to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table with our own money have to also pay out for our own healthcare as well, and not have it be nearly as good as theirs. A pretty ass-backwards system don't you think?
I don’t have that problem - people who choose to cause damage to themselves pay more for healthcare in a free market. Since I support the private model, I don’t have to rack my brains or figure out some kind of priority queue. As far as socialised medicine is concerned, the only possible priority system is first come, first served - anything short of that would classify as discrimination.
 

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Am I the only person in this thread who actually knows what an “assault rifle” is supposed to be? You cannot buy an “assault rifle” in Texas, or anywhere in the United States, unless it was manufactured before 1986 and is already registered with the ATF. An “assault rifle” is a select fire rifle - it must feature a fire mode selector with an automatic mode, a burst fire mode or both. Weapons like that are collectible pieces which are not only prohibitively expensive, but also require additional checks. The ATF needs to approve any transfer of ownership of such weapons and can outright deny the sale, no matter how much you’re willing to pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

You *cannot* buy a new firearm that would fulfil the criteria of an “assault rifle” classification - that is provided we assume that it’s even a real classification and not a marketing ploy. The term originates from the StG 44, or Sturmgewehr 44, which literally translates to “assault rifle” - we’ve been using it colloquially to describe weapons that are more substantial than a submachine gun (or machine pistol), but aren’t quite machine guns or battle rifles - they use intermediate-power cartridges. Normal semi-automatic rifles are not “assault rifles” just because politicians call them that and the public either doesn’t know any better or doesn’t care enough to call them out on their nonsense.
Them black market tacos though...
 

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So you are testing people's ability to read between the lines.

Either that or the intent is to imply that the way regulations work in the U.S. are often baffling. Argue what you will about how regulation infringes 2A or about how selling tacos without prior education can cause hundreds, millions, to get sick and possibly die, the point seems to be that regulations only matter from the point of the profiteer. We spend so much time around here nitpicking and debating things like Instagram infographics and "bad" comparisons because no one knows how to actually add to what was supposed to an intelligent conversation.

Regulation does not infringe the rights of those who are responsible with guns, and if someone chooses to be irresponsible with guns, well, they should have their rights put on hold until they can prove their responsibility.

Or even a spell check.

"cetificate"

Imagine having nothing to add to a conversation more than what a spell check bot can provide.
 

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Either that or the intent is to imply that the way regulations work in the U.S. are often baffling. Argue what you will about how regulation infringes 2A or about how selling tacos without prior education can cause hundreds, millions, to get sick and possibly die, the point seems to be that regulations only matter from the point of the profiteer. We spend so much time around here nitpicking and debating things like Instagram infographics and "bad" comparisons because no one knows how to actually add to what was supposed to an intelligent conversation.

Regulation does not infringe the rights of those who are responsible with guns, and if someone chooses to be irresponsible with guns, well, they should have their rights put on hold until they can prove their responsibility.



Imagine having nothing to add to a conversation more than what a spell check bot can provide.
So what you’re telling me is that the political left believes everyone should have access to “free” socialised healthcare because they consider it a right, but the right to bear arms not only *doesn’t* imply that you get your very own rifle on your 18th birthday courtesy of the state, it actually allows the state to impede your ability to purchase a weapon and make it as complicated as humanly possible? I understand.

(I’m just pulling your leg - I know you don’t think that. Simultaneously, I don’t think we have the same definition of “infringement”. :P)
 

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Either that or the intent is to imply that the way regulations work in the U.S. are often baffling. Argue what you will about how regulation infringes 2A or about how selling tacos without prior education can cause hundreds, millions, to get sick and possibly die, the point seems to be that regulations only matter from the point of the profiteer. We spend so much time around here nitpicking and debating things like Instagram infographics and "bad" comparisons because no one knows how to actually add to what was supposed to an intelligent conversation.

Regulation does not infringe the rights of those who are responsible with guns, and if someone chooses to be irresponsible with guns, well, they should have their rights put on hold until they can prove their responsibility.



Imagine having nothing to add to a conversation more than what a spell check bot can provide.

The intent:



Regulation does not infringe the rights of those who are responsible with guns

Sure does. Every form of "regulation" that limits the classes of "armament" that can be sold is a form of restriction. Increasing the legal age does that too. You do know the meaning of the word, no?

I'll even argue that redefining who is "responsible" is a way of doing so as well.

As for the stupid infographic being stupid. You seem to completely overlook that introducing stupid graphics is a point of failure in an "intelligent conversation".

Comparing the selling of tacos to the purchase of tacos would be effective if the point is to demonstrate "regulations only matter from the point of the profiteer".

Ham-fisting guns into it doesn't demonstrate a working logic.
 
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