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Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

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Looks like you have a vendetta againts Trump, you dont like him, can understand that, as i said i dont agree fully with all what Trump did but what you say that he brought chaos and things like that is not true at all. He fought for what he thought that was right at the time. If there were chaos was because The US was obssessed of removing him from office, seems like he was doing something right that the US politicians didnt like. For 4 years we didnt hear anything about a war, as the person mentioned above me Trump achived more than any other president could do in 4 years. I dont see Obama or Biden go to North Korea during their own predidency, that wouldnt fit their own agenda.

As to the media thing, its that it doesnt prove your point, the US was so obsessed to impeach him and get rid of him that it made interesting for people to follow. No one cares about Biden the same way because most of people see him as another regular Joe president as it was Obama, and the most of all who takes the clown crown of dumb decisions Bush. At least Obama was very popular, and to be fair it was fine to have him as a US president.

Trump did made a difference, he didnt follow the kool aid system of all the presidents before him, he choose to do it differently and that pissed a lot of people.

As i said i would never voted for him, but you cant deny that things were different during his presidency.
The former president only cared about himself and his interests. He was more than willing to set our democratic norms on fire with lies and conspiracy theories about election fraud because it suit him and his interests.

The media talked about impeachment because the former president committed impeachable offenses.

I don't think anyone here would argue the former president didn't make a difference. The problem is it wasn't a good difference.
 
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If there were chaos was because The US was obssessed of removing him from office, seems like he was doing something right that the US politicians didnt like.
He was doing shit that over half the country didn't like. That doesn't mean he was doing things "right," it means he was a divisive jackass who appealed to other divisive jackasses.

For 4 years we didnt hear anything about a war, as the person mentioned above me Trump achived more than any other president could do in 4 years. I dont see Obama or Biden go to North Korea during their own predidency, that wouldnt fit their own agenda.
As I mentioned above, legitimizing Kim Jong Un was a failure, not a success. It's almost as ridiculous as bragging about doing business with Stalin.

Trump did made a different, he didnt follow the kool aid system of all the presidents begore him, he choose to do it differently and that pissed a lot of people.
Different does not mean better when we're talking about a guy who greatly accelerated our decline toward autocracy/fascism. Most of his tactics were lifted straight from Mein Kampf, the "fake news" circlejerk being the most notable.
 
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Do you have a substantive problem with Wikipedia, or are you just going to shitpost like normal?
I can see the problem with "depending on what day you visit it" being an issue. I suppose timestamps and open archive access would be a good enough bypass.
 

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Yeah, someone already mentioned Biden is trying to do the balancing act on this issue a couple pages back. It's very disappointing, but not particularly surprising. It's not as though we're going to go to bat for Israel or Palestine militarily, but we've been financially backing Israel for a long time now so there's some ridiculous sunk cost fallacy going on there. I have no problem with criticizing Biden over that, because I've never pretended he was my idea of the perfect president, and all presidents are meant to be scrutinized, not idolized. They're public servants, and they're human. Well, some were more orangutan, but for the most part.
 
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And when USA does it to other countries, its fine and okay? Palestina and Israël should sit together and talk it out, the whole thing is about some divided ground. Israël doesnt want to give Palestina its own ground to stand on, thus the whole attacking thing to one another.
It's not really that easy. How do you make peace with a government that wants to erase your existence? How do you "talk it out"? A compromise with the state of Israel is no compromise at all, it is erasure and genocide of the Palestinian people. Israel will not abide to a two-state situation, and even if they did that would still mean Palestinians have lost their homes and land. Think about South Africa or Northern Ireland or the Kashmir region or Colonial America under the yoke of the British empire (or for that matter indigenous America under the yoke of immigrant colonists). Is(was) there peace in these colonized regions? Is there any peace between colonizers and the colonized? No. Of course not. There is only apartheid and oppression and murder of the colonized peoples. None of these situations are good. The only solution that isn't genocide of the Palestinian people is that the government and state of Israel dissolve and the settlers who have colonized Palestinian land and stolen Palestinian homes return to their respective homes, but that will not occur willingly.

This interview with Ghassan Kanafani (who was murdered presumably by the state of Israel of course) sums it up pretty well.



This interview was conducted in the 60s, and 60 years (more than a century really if you think about how long this conflict has been going on for) later it is the same situation now as it was then.
 
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I'm still amazed that such a deep quote came from fucking fallout of all places
To be fair the Fallout games developed by Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas) actually had some pretty nuanced takes on the politics of a post-apocalyptic wasteland, lots of interesting ideas. It's a shame Bethesda squandered it. Considering the quote is from the first game I'm not surprised that it's so good; post-Morrowind Bethesda could never have ideas that cool.
 
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To be fair the Fallout games developed by Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas) actually had some pretty nuanced takes on the politics of a post-apocalyptic wasteland, lots of interesting ideas. It's a shame Bethesda squandered it. Considering the quote is from the first game, I'm not surprised that it's good; post-Morrowind Bethesda could never have ideas that cool.
Fallout new vegas is a really good game, it's just a shame it requires 2000 mods to be somewhat playable
 
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interesting Biden quote btw. He's literally saying that Israel is important to the American empire because the state of Israel is a good colonial tool for keeping the US's influence active in the Middle East. Once a colonizer always a colonizer.

Also he seems to have fuller hair on the top of his head now than he had back then? That's pretty interesting. Also note the fire behind the way he speaks, you'll never see him speak like this again.
 
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https://twitter.com/Blike_Dante/status/1392210478462611470 interesting Biden quote btw. He's literally saying that Israel is important to the American empire because the state of Israel is a good colonial tool for keeping the US's influence active in the Middle East. Once a colonizer always a colonizer.

Also he seems to have fuller hair on the top of his head now than he had back then? That's pretty interesting. Also note the fire behind the way he speaks, you'll never see him speak like this again.
I'd say america is doomed but we've been this way for decades now
 
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