Actually this has been proven false. People tend to become more liberal as they get older.
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Their religion is one of edginess. Temperz think that by going against the grain of society they are some how more intelligent than other people hence the pretentiousness behind so many peoples posts on here. Many people on here have accomplished nothing in their lives and their only semblance of self esteem comes from a false sense of intellectual superiority. Notice how everyone here tries to talk with big words even though they aren't needed to convey their message. I've said this before and I will say it again, look at the thread where people post their IRL pictures and imagine those people looking down on others. It's nothing more than an inferiority complex and an emotional compensating defense mechanism to avoid inner feelings of worthlessness.
You're right, it means nothing without a citation. Going to find the article again, ignore it until then.
I'm absolutely willing to listen, particularly if there's evidence to back the assertion, but in my own experience people seem to become more conservative with age.
Yeah all my old folks seem to get really conservative with age (atleast 50+ people...)
There are a few that do not fit that mold. I've met a lot of old Flower Children that were ultra-liberal in the 60s-70s, and they've kept that mindset through the decades, but they're more of an exception than a rule.
But they're usually pretty interesting.
Some interesting articles from a cursory search:
https://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html
https://www.seeker.com/do-people-become-more-conservative-as-they-age-1765596891.html
https://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-47910
Not quite related but this academic article states that higher education is linked to libertarianism as opposed to authoritarianism: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-4446.2008.00196.x
I'll try to dig up some more concrete sources of data that counter the concept of aging promoting conservative beliefs tomorrow.
https://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html
https://www.seeker.com/do-people-become-more-conservative-as-they-age-1765596891.html
https://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-47910
Not quite related but this academic article states that higher education is linked to libertarianism as opposed to authoritarianism: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-4446.2008.00196.x
I'll try to dig up some more concrete sources of data that counter the concept of aging promoting conservative beliefs tomorrow.
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But I'm sure you're aware that I can produce as many sources that say just the opposite.
I guess it doesn't actually matter in this thread.
What we actually need is for @Maluma to explain where the divide is. Where does Conservative end and Liberal begin?
By all means. In fact, some of the sources I posted show that as a trend they may become more conservative, not necessarily as a result of becoming more conservative with age, but rather a conservative generation once young becoming older.
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That's a pretty difficult question to answer. I would have to ponder it for a bit before really being able to give a definitive response.I will say that I consider libertarians to be on the conservative side of things and even though I am not a libertarian myself I find it much easier to see things from the perspective of a libertarian than the perspective of a liberal. There was once a Republican candidate named Ron Paul that was a libertarian and I honestly could see where he was coming from with some of his views. I feel like younger liberals are only liberals because they have been indoctrinated into it and not because they actually understand the implications. It's one thing to agree to personal liberties like gay marriage and abortion. It's another thing to actually enjoy a structure where the government meddles in every aspect of your life and essentially has ownership over you as an individual.
I can understand why a person would have a libertarian political ideology but I just can't see eye to eye with liberals. I don't appreciate how the media force feeds narratives onto the population and makes them think that anyone that thinks otherwise is evil. This is the kind of strategy that communist used when they were in control where people would go to jail for expressing a negative opinion of communism or the government.
grin Would you believe that you're speaking with a Libertarian that twice voted for Ron Paul, right now?
I agree that we tend to be on the conservative side of things.
The pendulum is ever-swinging.
What I've seen over the years is that the youngest generation defies their elders.
If your parents tend to be conservative, you would tend to be liberal, if for no other reason than to be different.
I agree that we tend to be on the conservative side of things.
The pendulum is ever-swinging.
What I've seen over the years is that the youngest generation defies their elders.
If your parents tend to be conservative, you would tend to be liberal, if for no other reason than to be different.
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This is a viewpoint that I can get behind and respect. Did you always hold these views or did you become a Libertarian as you got older?
I was a liberal-leaning child (with pretty conservative parents) , but at the end of my teenage years, as most people do, I began to look around in disbelief and disgust as people that I had previously trusted in squandered my trust and openly lied to the public. (specifically B. Clinton)
It took a number of years more before I realized that career politicians were generally in this game to further their own goals.
Political views do change over time. You are not grandfathered in. Heck - in countries where there are more than two effective parties, you are even expected to maybe vote different parties at different elections.
Its only when you get old as stone, that you are expected to vote only the big conservative party statistically. And that might be - looking at the older generation - because it reminds you so much of the economic miracle they "were in charge producing (not really, but..
)" when they were younger.In europe in quite a few countries, the socialist left party went from close to 50% to 12% voter base in only a few years. And they did so, because the conservative party moved so far to the left, that they had no talking points left (they never made new ones), that people cared about.
This is politics. Not - are you for the right side, and why are so many people for the wrong side.
If you should still be wondering, why so few hackers are actual conservatives, may I present you with this (not at all) historical piece, I just coincidently watched recently - that captures it:
click on Vimeo to watch it fullscreen
(Film is a callback to If... (1968) also with Malcolm McDowell and David Wood, which was an artfilm shortly before the 68 liberal revolution in britain at the time, ...
Watch it. )-
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The political alignment of the gamers you meet correlates more with the types of games you play than with anything else. Conservatives and Liberals appear to have very different interests, judging by Facebook data. There's an interesting article on the subject you can read by following the link below:
https://spacecommune.com/10-insights-on-gamers-political-views-according-to-facebook-data/
Take it with a pinch of salt since they're lumping fans of Ben Shapiro together with "alt right figures" which is a bit silly, but the graphs show general trends. Most gamers are indeed Liberal, but that probably has more to do with the fact that they're young and college-educated as well, I don't think gaming affects political alignment in and out of itself.
https://spacecommune.com/10-insights-on-gamers-political-views-according-to-facebook-data/
Take it with a pinch of salt since they're lumping fans of Ben Shapiro together with "alt right figures" which is a bit silly, but the graphs show general trends. Most gamers are indeed Liberal, but that probably has more to do with the fact that they're young and college-educated as well, I don't think gaming affects political alignment in and out of itself.
I have never personally written any scripture, much less one I expect people to follow, and don't follow any either. Do you want to try that one again?
What religion? I have none, never had one. Neither did my parents. Neither did one set of grandparents and the others tried a whole bunch before settling on some pretty strange stuff well after my parent had reached the point where they could figure out their own path in life (one aunt following them into that one, the other 5 siblings never having anything). Looking around at school (various towns and cities in the UK for that one) when I was a kid then my particular circumstances were far from unique either. Society never mandated one or otherwise encouraged such things with some kind of perk (you are more likely to drum up business from a pub than a church, and said church types are probably in the pub as well), speaking of which:
Against the grain of society?
So according to nationwide surveys, and backed up by empirical data as far as church tax files, attendance rates and such more than half the UK population has no religion (even more so among the young) and no one strain of religion comes close to matching that. http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-28/religion.aspx (the full chapter download has lots of data, and data with respect to time). At this point being religious, much less of a particular religion, is the exception and the trend is going one way with respect to time. US Pew data on similar things I don't like as much (the questions it asks do worse for me when it comes to getting at the heart of things) but shows similar trends (albeit about 20 years behind Europe, something most attribute largely to that whole anti communist scare stuff, though geographical and economic are also factors I don't want to dismiss out of hand), and even then one would probably want to consider the US as far from homogeneous in this regard (the classic "does it touch Water or Canada" thing, with the possible exception of Texas, though even then if I look at the cities there). https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ if you wanted it though and a nice video discussing it
Can't say the rest applies to me. It could apply to some around here but I would not assume it a general case.
I'm referring to your walls of text, smarty-pants. How can someone that thinks of themselves to be so smart be so dull/dimwitted?
I have been known to do walls of text but in this thread I have not gone over about 5 paragraphs (fairly short ones at that) per post, especially not when replying to parts of the thread you were in and we were engaging.
To that end you are once more invited to try that one again, or perhaps take an example post of mine and show me where I so rubbed you the wrong way with my word choice, formatting or whatever. Better yet maybe engage with the arguments put forth within them.
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