Emulation [RELEASE] Cemu - Wii U emulator

JanetMerai · Aug 22, 2016

I've been on both sides of the coin for Apple and Microsoft.

Having worked for Apple using Apple Computers in a call center and using Windows 95 up to Windows 10 personally, I have had the worst problems with Mac than any Windows machine as a developer myself.
By Mac issues, I am not talking about general issues, it extends on limited availability, condensed stuff and other limited functions that Windows could easily do in seconds.
Apple basically renamed many things Microsoft pioneered and had to sort of 'dance' around these things to avoid being sued.
Plus, Mac OSX is a mess of things, that's why they keep adding these stupid 'search' functions to make it easier to unclutter your messy stuff.

From my personal experiences, using a Mac machine is like saying good-bye to more than half of Windows.

Any OS has problems, bugs, issues and so on... not all of them are perfect.
Sadly, Mac tends to get more 'political' fans and Windows gains more 'technical' fans.
I should know, on my very first day working with Apple, nearly everyone had an iPhone and a plethora of Apple stuff and I was the only one who was a major Windows enthusiast... I was largely frowned on.

The support team informed us of Apple only stuff but I was the only one who could figure out Windows had more than what they were saying, plus I got deep insider information to Apple machines and their tech.

I hate to say this but, OSX is a glorified Linux candy wrapper with a Unix backend... don't shoot it down because it was officially documented by Apple themselves.
Windows is its own thing and constantly attacked by hackers as well as Apple Computers.

No OS is perfect, so stop trying to say one is better than the other.

Mac owners try to make OS seem like its better than Windows because of Apple's horrible decision to make limited resources and tech limits too, which is very annoying for those who want to develop on multiple platforms.

Don't let OSX owners fool you though, a good portion of software for Mac was actually licensed from Microsoft because Mac is being used in corporate situations and thus needed Microsoft Word, PowerPoint and more.

I often feel annoyed by Mac enthusiasts because they often try to use the candy wrapper design of Apple to mock Windows.

Shut up with the OS wars, none of them win.

Antidote · Aug 22, 2016

If you think I'm a mac enthusiast @JanetMerai, you're wrong, however that doesn't make what you said incorrect, and I agree with most of it, however from a technical standpoint Windows is an unmitigated disaster, and I'm not sure where you got the idea that windows fans are more 'technical' a lot of windows users only use windows because it's what comes with their device, nothing more, the technical users of windows are actually in the minority.

That being said, you're definitely correct, every OS has issues and bugs, and that's exactly my point, while Mac and Linux users get regular updates that actually _fix_ things, windows users are left in the dark that there is even an issue half the time, Microsoft takes their sweet time fixing security bugs, whereas it's fixed within hours of report for Linux, and days for OS X. Microsoft needs to be more diligent about patches.

Joe007 · Aug 22, 2016

Yes shut up with OS wars win10 = botnet the end.

JanetMerai · Aug 22, 2016

Windows has more tech and security, that's why it has a lot of problems in the first place, and Mac is attractive because Apple controls it more and thus people pick on Windows because it has more... similar to bullying.

Technicalities is what Microsoft is into and thus use it in their OS, but seeing as how you are pro Mac, I doubt you'd know that.

Mac and Linux get regular updates because Windows has a lot of problems already patched and figured out while the other two are playing 'catch-up.'
I've had more developers complain to me about Mac and Linux being complete disasters when it comes to more technical or functional territory.

Yeah, Microsoft takes their time because they find the 'solution' to the problem whereas the other two being Mac and Linux tend to patch up the leaks with band-aids and have to keep patching the same thing over and over again.
I say this because I have a Mac myself and I often see the same problem being fixed over and over compared to Microsoft actually finding the real problem, which does take longer, and fixing it.

As they saying goes 'Half Baked or Actually Baked, which tastes better?"

AboodXD · Aug 22, 2016

reznoire said:
Made a 1.5.6 improvements preview video

You forgot to compare sound :/

Wardoctors · Aug 22, 2016

Joe007 said:
Yes shut up with OS wars win10 = botnet the end.

sorry to burst the tiny bubble you live in but telemetry has been in windows since xp. so from xp to current they are gathering data like this forum like the entire net and like apple and linux

Antidote · Aug 22, 2016

JanetMerai said:
Windows has more tech and security, that's why it has a lot of problems in the first place, and Mac is attractive because Apple controls it more and thus people pick on Windows because it has more... similar to bullying.

Technicalities is what Microsoft is into and thus use it in their OS, but seeing as how you are pro Mac, I doubt you'd know that.

Mac and Linux get regular updates because Windows has a lot of problems already patched and figured out while the other two are playing 'catch-up.'
I've had more developers complain to me about Mac and Linux being complete disasters when it comes to more technical or functional territory.

Yeah, Microsoft takes their time because they find the 'solution' to the problem whereas the other two being Mac and Linux tend to patch up the leaks with band-aids and have to keep patching the same thing over and over again.
I say this because I have a Mac myself and I often see the same problem being fixed over and over compared to Microsoft actually finding the real problem, which does take longer, and fixing it.

As they saying goes 'Half Baked or Actually Baked, which tastes better?"

Wow, you're wholly misinformed, there is a security bug in the NT kernel that's been there since the late 90s, and it's still there, Microsoft takes they're time to fix the bugs, because they aren't doing it at all, OS X and Linux are able to get patches as fast as they do because security analysts have access to the code of the kernels, which makes it easier to analyse and come up with a proper solution. Also your ad-hominim is childish, I'm not pro mac, or pro linux, I'm pro good software solutions, and Microsoft messes up more than they fix.

EDIT:
Also this "pro-mac" guy is running Ach Linux on a Lenovo Ideapad 100-15IBD, a Windows 10 licensed machine, I don't own any macbooks, iPhones, or iPads, nor do I own an iWatch, or Apple TV, please use actual arguments with evidence debunking me without resorting to baseless assertions.

EDIT2:
I want to be absolutely clear, by "taking their time" I mean years not weeks or months.

Joe007 · Aug 22, 2016

Wardoctors said:
sorry to burst the tiny bubble you live in but telemetry has been in windows since xp. so from xp to current they are gathering data like this forum like the entire net and like apple and linux

Last I checked in earlier versions of windows you can pick and choose updates you want installed.

Keep shilling for Microsoft though.

Clector · Aug 22, 2016

Well as said Windows have a lot more security problems that are also because iit"s the most used system in the world. You will be impressed as said how a lot of security flwas will take a lot of times to be patched by Microsoft and some times they affect most of Windows versions. Saying so they also use to build a lot of versions from the same code, by example as today there"s still one Windows version for Embedded areas based in Windows XP that is still supported by Microsoft until 2018.

Saitamegroj · Aug 22, 2016

Please cut it off with the offtopic. This is a Cemu thread, lets go back to it.

Wardoctors · Aug 22, 2016

Joe007 said:
Last I checked in earlier versions of windows you can pick and choose updates you want installed.

Keep shilling for Microsoft though.

it's not about updates it's about data collection which has been around since xp days

Clector · Aug 22, 2016

Data Collection is more explicit in Windows 10 and you even accept for a lot of them in the EULA at difference from pevious versions.
But getting off of off topic, if you wait some time I thinkk Exzap will work into that as by what I have seen about CEMU new versions changes in cemu site Exzap works in the problems that new versions can cause eventually at some point, I can"t said so much more about as I"m not really much into CEMU as I use it barely.

JanetMerai · Aug 22, 2016

Antidote said:
Wow, you're wholly misinformed, there is a security bug in the NT kernel that's been there since the late 90s, and it's still there, Microsoft takes they're time to fix the bugs, because they aren't doing it at all, OS X and Linux are able to get patches as fast as they do because security analysts have access to the code of the kernels, which makes it easier to analyse and come up with a proper solution. Also your ad-hominim is childish, I'm not pro mac, or pro linux, I'm pro good software solutions, and Microsoft messes up more than they fix.

EDIT:
Also this "pro-mac" guy is running Ach Linux on a Lenovo Ideapad 100-15IBD, a Windows 10 licensed machine, I don't own any macbooks, iPhones, or iPads, nor do I own an iWatch, or Apple TV, please use actual arguments with evidence debunking me without resorting to baseless assertions.

EDIT2:
I want to be absolutely clear, by "taking their time" I mean years not weeks or months.

I said there are bugs in every OS, not all OS's are perfect... did you even 'get' that?
One bug, just one bug you listed is your whole basis for an argument, that seems 'very' childish to me and goes back to the first line in this reply.

Again, just arguments based on what I said and has no merits.

Like I said, and I will say it again, this OS war is ridiculous and unnecessary.

All OS's have bugs... that's a fact.

If you want to complain about specific bugs, perhaps do a better job by actually reporting them to Microsoft and getting it fixed?
I am sure if its a problem thousands of complaints are on Microsoft's website of the same nature.
Like I said, getting to the 'solution' than just 'band-aiding' it.

Antidote · Aug 22, 2016

Did you not even read my post? Source code access makes coming up with proper solutions far more easy, security analysts for windows don't have that. Linux has literally thousands of people scouring the code looking for potential issues, and they're found, patched, and published within hours. Darwin is a bit different, Apple only releases the source code after a few months, and from then analysts are able to look at the code and find bugs and fix them then.

Explain to me how that model is inferior to Microsoft's model? Hint: it's not.

JanetMerai · Aug 22, 2016

Clector said:
Data Collection is more explicit in Windows 10 and you even accept for a lot of them in the EULA at difference from pevious versions.
But getting off of off topic, if you wait some time I thinkk Exzap will work into that as by what I have seen about CEMU new versions changes in cemu site Exzap works in the problems that new versions can cause eventually at some point, I can"t said so much more about as I"m not really much into CEMU as I use it barely.

Data collection extends 'far' beyond Windows, do you live under a rock or something?
Every company, software, OS, Car, Phone, etc. is spying the crap out of you and collecting everything from picking your nose to buying your favorite meal.

Most companies license software from Microsoft and other companies just to collect data about you.
It's not too long until Cemu does the same, but I think its helpful.

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Antidote said:
Did you not even read my post? Source code access makes coming up with proper solutions far more easy, security analysts for windows don't have that. Linux has literally thousands of people scouring the code looking for potential issues, and they're found, patched, and published within hours. Darwin is a bit different, Apple only releases the source code after a few months, and from then analysts are able to look at the code and find bugs and fix them then.

Explain to me how that model is inferior to Microsoft's model? Hint: it's not.

I read it but I don't want to argue with you in an endless 'loop.'
That's how trolling and spamming works and when it gets to tech wars, there is no stopping it.

I stopped arguing with you because you only care about getting off topic, I actually tried to 'stop' the pointless banter.

Clector · Aug 22, 2016

By the way I know, saying only that is more explicit and more data is collected in Windows 10 than previous Windows versions do, but afte all they are in their right as that is now part of the EULA users can agree or disagree.
In the case of CEMU you said, I think they can collect data without necessarily spying, but instead in an anonymously way for see how it works in different Hardware and conditions like Dolphin Emulator now does, but I suposse at this pint it didn"t help too much and is Exzap decission I guess.

Antidote · Aug 22, 2016

I'm not trolling, you're the one performing ad-hom attacks while I'm trying to convey information that you simply ignore in your crusade against anything non-windows.

I was willing to let it go, but you decided to attack me after I agreed with you for goodness sakes, I disagreed with a few points, but overall I said you were right, the only person here with an issue is you.

IIYAMA · Aug 22, 2016

A PC that doesn't have enough of RAM / memory probably doesn't have good specs to run Cemu anyway , memory leak or not
8GB of RAM is the minimum . I believe most people out there build their PC with 16GB of RAM or even more , Crucial 8GB DDR4 ($32) is standard for today
And enough with the OS war , each OS has its own benefit . Windows is for gaming , OSX for video editing . If you own a MacBook Pro , just try bootcamp and see which one is faster for emulator (like Dolphin) .
Windows 10 sucks , I know but if you know what you're doing then ...even Microsoft can't force Windows Update , Onedrive or any other craps on you

JanetMerai · Aug 22, 2016

Antidote said:
I'm not trolling, you're the one performing ad-hom attacks while I'm trying to convey information that you simply ignore in your crusade against anything non-windows.

I was willing to let it go, but you decided to attack me after I agreed with you for goodness sakes, I disagreed with a few points, but overall I said you were right, the only person here with an issue is you.

I didn't attack you, I am simply avoiding trolling myself, you are only adding to the trolling and spam.

Get over it.

I don't care who 'wins' or who 'loses.'
If I have to 'lose' in your view for this stupid banter to end, so be it.
I find Cemu information more interesting than arguing.

Joe007 · Aug 22, 2016

Anyone made video for One Piece: Unlimited World Red on 1.5.6?

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