[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[RichardTheKing]

That's correct. The women's rights movement is about uplifting women and girls. The men's rights movement is largely a backlash against feminism. They're not the same.

None of this is to say there aren't legitimate issues within the men's rights movement. My problem is with the movement itself.

Not anymore, the women's rights movement isn't. Since all the main issues were fixed in the latter half of the last century, and the first few years of this century, all they've got left to "tackle" are little things, like forcing themselves into things that used to be male-only (e.g. Boy Scouts, men-only groups) and acts of chivalry (men opening doors or pulling out chairs for them). Oh, and monopolising child custody and divorce settlement cases, and ruining male lives through online "#MeToo" witch-hunt postings (completely bypassing the presumption of innocence, the need for actual courts of law to determine guilt, and the requirement of actual evidence - made even worse by how even anonymous accusations are treated as credible as accusations made by named women).

So the women's rights movement is quite misandristic, in my eyes. There's nothing of actual value left for them to "fix"; it needs to be ended peacefully, and the actual discrimination men face needs to be tackled.

 

[Deleted User]

So the women's rights movement is quite misandristic, in my eyes. There's nothing of actual value left for them to "fix"; it needs to be ended peacefully

https://www.insider.com/women-more-expensive-products-2018-8
please go on. If you know, women needing to pay more money for things that men do even if it's for the exact identical thing with a new name slapped on it. then I guess that's equality right?
Right?
This doesn't go any further it can't possibly be a much lar-
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen...-biggest-pay-gap-when-compared-to-white-men-3
huh.... a significant pay difference... that doesn't seem right.
women are equal?
Moving on, I wanted to tackle

and the actual discrimination men face needs to be tackled.

Well. no. I don't really think men are discriminated at all. Given historical prescience I don't think that's even a reality. Now should we look into the idea of "man culture" and what is to be "a man" and the nonsense that is masculinity and the dumb ideas that comes from that, now that, I'll discuss. Since really that's just more of a cultural issue in general since everyone expects a guy to be some tough guy who can handle the entire world on his shoulder. Though they aren't actually being indiscriminate by the systems or getting paid less. Which would be easier to figure out if discussing wages wasn't a taboo in the states and we had ya know, unions and workers rights?

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Okay now I can tackle what I wanted to tackle

...all they've got left to "tackle" are little things, like forcing themselves into things that used to be male-only (e.g. Boy Scouts, men-only groups) and acts of chivalry (men opening doors or pulling out chairs for them)..

So? what's problematic with that? If a women wants do that, why not? Why is it a supposed to be a "man only" thing?

Oh, and monopolising child custody and divorce settlement cases

source?

and ruining male lives through online "#MeToo" witch-hunt postings (completely bypassing the presumption of innocence, the need for actual courts of law to determine guilt, and the requirement of actual evidence - made even worse by how even anonymous accusations are treated as credible as accusations made by named women)

Um...WHAT?
hello? they still have to prove it in court. And even then, it's not like males have had the best track record with female individuals. And only recently is that issue starting to come into effect. It doesn't mean that every single man that is accused had misconduct. Infact, I was hit by it. As in, I was accused at one point. However, my peers backed me up, and eventually me and her talked, and I learned why she thought the way she did. (tl;dr I made jokes that made her uncomfortable and I never noticed, 15 year old bad sex jokes) I apologized, and that was the end of it. Right now things are in a heighten sphere, but it's not as severe as you make it sound.

 

[Lacius]

Not anymore, the women's rights movement isn't. Since all the main issues were fixed in the latter half of the last century, and the first few years of this century, all they've got left to "tackle" are little things, like forcing themselves into things that used to be male-only (e.g. Boy Scouts, men-only groups) and acts of chivalry (men opening doors or pulling out chairs for them). Oh, and monopolising child custody and divorce settlement cases, and ruining male lives through online "#MeToo" witch-hunt postings (completely bypassing the presumption of innocence, the need for actual courts of law to determine guilt, and the requirement of actual evidence - made even worse by how even anonymous accusations are treated as credible as accusations made by named women).

So the women's rights movement is quite misandristic, in my eyes. There's nothing of actual value left for them to "fix"; it needs to be ended peacefully, and the actual discrimination men face needs to be tackled.

Societal misogyny, sexual assault, domestic violence, getting paid 80% what a man makes, etc. apparently don't exist in your world.

I think the problem is I was too nice when I said you brought up some legitimate issues. The numbers pale in comparison to what women face in society. Saying sexism against women is generally over would be laughable if it weren't sad.

 

[The Catboy]

Societal misogyny, sexual assault, domestic violence, getting paid 80% what a man makes, etc. apparently don't exist in your world.

I think the problem is I was too nice when I said you brought up some legitimate issues. The numbers pale in comparison to what women face in society. Saying sexism against women is generally over would be laughable if it weren't sad.

This doesn't even count workplace discrimination that is commonly faced by women and rarely faced by men. Women have their positions constantly brought into question and it's not uncommon for people to accuse women in power as the result of pity or "diversity quotas" or beliefs pushing towards the idea that a woman can't hold a position of power. Using the tech field, women constantly face discrimination for peers and outsiders, often constantly questioning a woman's knowledge in their fields. It's pretty common for female programmers to have experienced some form of harassment, stalking, death threats, doxing, and so on. There are countless issues men simply don't face due to them being a man that women deal with on a daily basis.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

getting paid 80% what a man makes,

If women made less than what men made, why would men be in the workforce? It seems more logical that women make less because they don't work as hard.

 

[RandomUser]

https://www.insider.com/women-more-expensive-products-2018-8
please go on. If you know, women needing to pay more money for things that men do even if it's for the exact identical thing with a new name slapped on it. then I guess that's equality right?
Right?

wait, men pays far more for life insurance and no one is complaining about that.
Also the reverse can be true as well, perhaps not as prevalence but it doesn't mean that it is non existent.

Spoiler

getting paid 80% what a man makes

Pretty sure that is illegal.

 

[MercilessDeth]

A vote for Biden and votes for down-ballot Democratic candidates would increase the odds of having progressive ideas enacted.

I'm not really sure a vote in the general for Biden would go far in my state, but I am registered. Just never felt like I wanted to go to the polls. I think you're right about down-ballot though, where I can have a better impact, so I'll check into my options there. I'm far from a GOP fan, but I don't always feel that a Democrat candidate is progressive by virtue of affiliation.

I know that a lot of people defer to lesser-of-two-evils, but if I had to answer for why I don't vote I guess I'd say I'd rather vote for somebody than against their opponent. Depending on the place in life I've been at the time I've either felt like neither candidate was great or I didn't feel very informed on the issues (like being in college and buried in schoolwork, not keeping up on the news, etc)

It's nice to have civil discourse around political thoughts these days, it's more rare than it should be.

e.g. Boy Scouts

I'm an eagle scout and I don't really care to add fuel to a fire but...

Girls have been allowed in scouting for quite some time. Venturing Crew has allowed girls, and women can be scoutmasters. Granted, Venturing does not have ranks you achieve (like eagle) that you carry into adulthood.

I do absolutely think that girls should have access to an organization if they're interested, but I think it would've been a better served as far as outcomes to really overhaul the Girl Scouts organization.

One of the unfortunate things about Scouting is people have a negative connotation sometimes--that the organization holds regressive views. Local troops operate independent of funding by the BSA national org (which is why their bankruptcy doesn't affect local troops), many areas have more than one troop nearby, etc.

I'm straying off topic so I'll wrap with not judging the program at the local level by the national organization's stances. In all fairness when the BSA itself has made statements it's often following someone publicly making inflammatory remarks wearing their uniforms, there's more nuance to it at times

 

[omgcat]

This doesn't even count workplace discrimination that is commonly faced by women and rarely faced by men. Women have their positions constantly brought into question and it's not uncommon for people to accuse women in power as the result of pity or "diversity quotas" or beliefs pushing towards the idea that a woman can't hold a position of power. Using the tech field, women constantly face discrimination for peers and outsiders, often constantly questioning a woman's knowledge in their fields. It's pretty common for female programmers to have experienced some form of harassment, stalking, death threats, doxing, and so on. There are countless issues men simply don't face due to them being a man that women deal with on a daily basis.

the thing I see the most is random guys trying to explain shit to women. I had a classmate who was finishing her PhD in CS and some fucking twit tried to explain her thesis to her. I was SCREAMING in my head. In my undergrad there averaged like 1-3 women per class i took out of 25-40.

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If women made less than what men made, why would men be in the workforce? It seems more logical that women make less because they don't work as hard.

obfuscated salaries are a big reason for this. when no one knows how much other employees are making, they don't know how much they are getting fucked by their employers. It pisses me off that discussing salary ranges is so discouraged in the workplace.

 

[deficitdisorder]

If women made less than what men made, why would men be in the workforce? It seems more logical that women make less because they don't work as hard.

Saying its because they simply dont work as hard is disgusting and misogynistic af.That makes no fucking sense when you apply literally any thought to it, Unless your some red pilled incel. If they didnt work as hard why would they have any place in the workplace?


That 80% figure is across the entire work force and not at the individual job level. Women are less likely to have higher pay jobs.

 

[The Catboy]

the thing I see the most is random guys trying to explain shit to women. I had a classmate who was finishing her PhD in CS and some fucking twit tried to explain her thesis to her. I was SCREAMING in my head. In my undergrad there averaged like 1-3 women per class i took out of 25-40.

Things like that continue to be common in pretty much every field and workplace. Just using my own workplace, I work in sales and just sell cellphones, nothing exciting nor interesting. That being said, it's a pretty regular thing for women (myself included,) to get laughed at when trying to talk about products, get told sexist comments like, "Can I get a man to explain this to me? I think he would actually know what he's doing," and that's just using the least shitty comment. Women in our workforce report large amounts of unwanted sexual advances from customers, sexual harassment from customers, and some have even had to change their store locations due to stalking from customers (I am literally working with a girl who had to go through that.) These are just some of the issues women face in just my job that men either don't report or aren't facing and this isn't even getting into the topic of trans people who work this job. Trust me, I have an entire list of shit I have to deal with that has caused me issues in my job just because I am trans.

 

[IncredulousP]

Wow, a pedophile has the most votes on this poll. That's... interesting.

What? Trump doesn't have the most votes on the poll.

 

[Lacius]

Wow, a pedophile has the most votes on this poll. That's... interesting.

If your standards of evidence are low enough that you're going to accept Biden is a sexual predator, then you must also accept that Trump is a sexual predator.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that either one is a sexual predator. I'm making a point about biases causing inconsistent standards of evidence. In reality, there's virtually no evidence that Biden is a predator.

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If women made less than what men made, why would men be in the workforce? It seems more logical that women make less because they don't work as hard.

Women are getting paid less for working just as hard, if not harder, than comparable men.

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Pretty sure that is illegal.

It is illegal, but it's still happening (a lot). There's more that can be done about it.

 

[AkumaNoYami]

Biden
because Trump is an Idiot .. and he tells only lies .. this guy is a narzist ..
poor america

 

[RandomUser]

It is illegal, but it's still happening (a lot). There's more that can be done about it.

Perhaps you are right, however most articles seems to be not consistence in the percentage of the wage gap so it is much harder to believe which articles are right or wrong.
Here is an article about the Gender wage gap that seems to paint a very different picture:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evange...-myths-about-the-gender-pay-gap/#48744b0646fa
I have read the census data and does seem to support your claim, but not all data is present so cannot weigh come to a conclusion in weather it is correct or not, or the result are skewed in favoritism.
The hourly pay may be easily corrected, however salary is not going to be easy due to whole host of reasons, like why would a company pay an intern or entry level the same amount as someone whom either have years of experience or whom has been working for said company for years.
At any rate though it is possible a lot of jobs maybe going to be automated, and perhaps the wage gap will then be nonexistent.
I'm not saying that the gender wage gap doesn't exist or does exist.
Perhaps I'm just going to have to be neutral on this.

 

[chrisrlink]

what scares me is that trump will probably not conceed the election if he loses worst comes to worst as what bernie predicted a rebellion will most likely occur thos who don't get killed outright would mostly clog up death rows accross the US (as treason has a manditory death penelty and is one of the few crimes "baked into" the constitution with an outlined punishment but i wonder if that unsaid treaty with canada (because of draft dodgers during nam) canada agreed to deny all assylum cases from the US....but unlike nam this could cause a second civil war which is vastly different then draft dodging i mean what if trump does the unthinkable and orders his supporters to kill all who oppose him?

 

[Seliph]

Just waiting for Trump's inevitable military coup tbh.

 

[chrisrlink]

Just waiting for Trump's inevitable military coup tbh.

note above treason in the us is a manditory death sentance he even tries (I'm sure he's that stupid enough to try) a one way ticket to death row and any successor in his or her right mind would not even pull the pardon card NIxon cheated but he never once commited treason and i doubt he would
have about before you say but obama commited treason too I suggest you reread section 3 of our constitution which define treason according to the founders to only two types of conduct:

(1) “levying war” against the United States; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.” what each type of treason entails.and some of you may say it falls under the second definition still no the iranian nuclear deal wasn't treason it was to curb the likelyhood of iran developing WMD's he could've santioned and withdrew the deal at any time heck he could've readied the military if wmd's were found and went to war to shut them down (it would've happened since iran did secretly develop wmd's)

 

[UltraSUPRA]

what scares me is that trump will probably not conceed the election if he loses worst comes to worst as what bernie predicted a rebellion will most likely occur thos who don't get killed outright would mostly clog up death rows accross the US (as treason has a manditory death penelty and is one of the few crimes "baked into" the constitution with an outlined punishment but i wonder if that unsaid treaty with canada (because of draft dodgers during nam) canada agreed to deny all assylum cases from the US....but unlike nam this could cause a second civil war which is vastly different then draft dodging i mean what if trump does the unthinkable and orders his supporters to kill all who oppose him?

Didn't you try to deny the last election?

 

[chrisrlink]

Didn't you try to deny the last election?

um hilary didn't levy war cause she lost with trrump though it could be in the relm of possibility

 

[UltraSUPRA]