The Illegal Immigration Non-Crisis in the USA

[Deleted User]

Let me teach you a quick history lesson. The United States was colonized by the English and Mexico was colonized by Spaniards. Before Mexico was colonized by Spaniards, the Aztec were sacrificing their own people and completely terrorizing other indigenous tribes like the Mayans. The Aztec actually had walls built out of human skulls and they ripped out peoples hearts while they were still alive. Mexico had deep problems before it was even called Mexico. A similar history applies to many other countries south of the border. The Spaniards conquest south of the border certainly caused some problems, but that region has been troubled for thousands of years. The United States did not cause the majority of the problems south of the border and to say that is the case is highly misleading.

So your pretty much saying
"because they already had problems in 1521 that they must still have those same problems in the 1900s+. And so gives us the right for the United States to go ahead and do what ever the fuck they want to other countries. Despite any advancements they have made as a society."
I'm I reading this wrong?
Because your really are ignoring you know the few (but important) times when the states did a little double funding. Pretty much funding between two sides of a conflict, or you know, working around the check and balances system to get a war, underhandedly causing governments to fall. I could you know, pull out my old history binder if you really want me to go through the details. There's a pretty strong running theme with the states dicking other countries and it backfiring hard. (and by old I mean a year ago)

 

[SG854]

@Lacius

I was adding to what you were saying. Not trying to poke flaws in what you were saying. Since other people are reading these comments they can see what other factors also contribute.


For some reason I kinda thought that you would make a comment like that. And take it as a criticism right away when I wasn’t intending criticism of what you didn’t say.

 

[SG854]

That's pretty easy to prove wrong considering California's economy is larger than many countries, it's the fifth largest economy in the world. With the exception of Texas, red states have to be subsidized by blue states.

New Mexico, Virginia, Maryland, Maine and Hawaii voted Obama but were the biggest tax money net recipients on a per capita basis.


Donor states tend to be more populous and have lots of wealthy people. And many big business are located there.


A lot of taxes are paid by the upper income brackets because of our progressive tax system. From about a household income of $101,000, that’s $50,000 a piece for two working couples, will put you in the top 20%. So these states will put more in taxes. Like California and New York because of more wealthy people.


There is also situational circumstances. Wyoming and Dakota aren’t thought of as populous and rich but they threw in lots of tax revenue because of the Fracking Boom they had in 2013.


Maryland and Virginia are both Democratic but we’re large recipients of tax money. They are also populous and rich. But they also have a lot of federal pensioners, government contractors, and federal office building that has money pouring in to pay for them, so it’s why they are big recipients.


It’s not as simple as you put it Blue States subsidies Red States. What affects federal transfer is Retirement Benefits, Non-Retirement Benefits, Grants, Government Contracts for Goods and Services, Salary and Wages.

 

[Deleted-481927]

There's just so much complete crap in the OP I don't even know where to begin. So I wont. I'll let someone else handle it. But really? This guy? Again????

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They have reasons - usually safety to cross the border illegally because the US immigration system + asylum is SHIT

They deserve healthcare, water, food, toothpaste, soap (they're getting water + food afaik but not much) while they're in these camps.

I don't care who initiated them (it was Obama but I don't even like him, I'm more of a Bernie supporter) - they just need to be stopped.

They've been deemed concentration camps for fucks sake the US needs to stop it.

 

[cots]

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They have reasons - usually safety to cross the border illegally because the US immigration system + asylum is SHIT

They deserve healthcare, water, food, toothpaste, soap (they're getting water + food afaik but not much) while they're in these camps.

I don't care who initiated them (it was Obama but I don't even like him, I'm more of a Bernie supporter) - they just need to be stopped.

They've been deemed concentration camps for fucks sake the US needs to stop it.

You do know what happens in real concentration camps to the people? They sure as hell didn't get to see a judge before they were gassed to death. By breaking the law you lose your rights and by not being a legal citizen you don't have many rights to begin with. Providing water and food twice a day is sufficient, they don't need air conditioning or good food to survive. Giving them more than we give some of our own citizens is wrong. Don't like it? Don't break the law!

 

[cots]

this

They have reasons - usually safety to cross the border illegally because the US immigration system + asylum is SHIT

They deserve healthcare, water, food, toothpaste, soap (they're getting water + food afaik but not much) while they're in these camps.

I don't care who initiated them (it was Obama but I don't even like him, I'm more of a Bernie supporter) - they just need to be stopped.

They've been deemed concentration camps for fucks sake the US needs to stop it.

You do know what happens in real concentration camps to the people? They sure as hell didn't get to see a judge before they were gassed to death. By breaking the law you lose your rights and by not being a legal citizen you don't have many rights to begin with. Providing water and food twice a day is sufficient, they don't need air conditioning or good food to survive. Giving them more than we give some of our own citizens is wrong. Don't like it? Don't break the law!

 

[Lacius]

You do know what happens in real concentration camps to the people? They sure as hell didn't get to see a judge before they were gassed to death. By breaking the law you lose your rights and by not being a legal citizen you don't have many rights to begin with. Providing water and food twice a day is sufficient, they don't need air conditioning or good food to survive. Giving them more than we give some of our own citizens is wrong. Don't like it? Don't break the law!

1. Immigrants seeking amnesty are not breaking the law.
2. Treating prisoners with "just what it takes to survive" was the mentality of a lot of concentration camps.
3. Children are being caged in deplorable conditions at no fault of their own.
4. Children have died while being held by the Trump administration.
5. Lots of immigrant Jews were rounded up first because they were "breaking the law and they shouldn't have done it."

 

[Cylent1]

1. Immigrants seeking amnesty are not breaking the law.
2. Treating prisoners with "just what it takes to survive" was the mentality of a lot of concentration camps.
3. Children are being caged in deplorable conditions at no fault of their own.
4. Children have died while being held by the Trump administration.
5. Lots of immigrant Jews were rounded up first because they were "breaking the law and they shouldn't have done it."

1: Immigrants seeking asylum WILL go through the port of entries the legal way.
2: What happens to you if you are caught driving without a license? You are treated like a dag and put in a cage.
3: You are right, the Parents need to be held responsible. But most of these children are being trafficked by the losers that are trying to tear down our country.
4: Children have died while being held by the Obama Admin also, Do your homework.
5: WTF? They were breaking the law how?

 

[Deleted-481927]

You do know what happens in real concentration camps to the people? They sure as hell didn't get to see a judge before they were gassed to death. By breaking the law you lose your rights and by not being a legal citizen you don't have many rights to begin with. Providing water and food twice a day is sufficient, they don't need air conditioning or good food to survive. Giving them more than we give some of our own citizens is wrong. Don't like it? Don't break the law!

I didn't say it was concentration camps I forgot to add quotes.

It's essentially the same - minus the gassing and labour - theres been reports of staff RAPING people in there.

They do need AC at the fucking border if they're held their against their will.

Children didn't break the law - they're parents did anyway. Punishing them for that seems wrong, if punishing them at all doesn't seem wrong to you.

 

[Lacius]

1: Immigrants seeking asylum WILL go through the port of entries the legal way.
2: What happens to you if you are caught driving without a license? You are treated like a dag and put in a cage.
3: You are right, the Parents need to be held responsible. But most of these children are being trafficked by the losers that are trying to tear down our country.
4: Children have died while being held by the Obama Admin also, Do your homework.
5: WTF? They were breaking the law how?

1. Immigrants are guaranteed a right to seek asylum, regardless of how they entered the US. At ports of entry, they are often blocked as well. We also need to be clear that the child separation policy was created to inflict harm as a deterrent. They admitted it.
2. First, you're not treated like a dag or any other type of animal if you're caught driving without a license. You still get basic human dignity that we are not seeing with detained immigrants and their children. Second, that's a crime, while seeking asylum is not. Third, people don't typically die in police custody after driving without a license.
3. First, asylum seekers didn't commit crimes. Second, commiting a kind of crime you're describing isn't a just reason for the deplorable conditions, deaths, and child-separation.
4. It has been more than a decade since a child has died while held by Customs and Border Protection. There's a false meme floating around that has been debunked (I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to, but it probably is). Do your homework, and don't use internet memes.
5. During the Holocaust, some of the very first Jews to be rounded up and forced to dig their own graves were immigrants who couldn't prove citizenship and were deported for being illegals.

 

[Cylent1]

I didn't say it was concentration camps I forgot to add quotes.

It's essentially the same - minus the gassing and labour - theres been reports of staff RAPING people in there.

They do need AC at the fucking border if they're held their against their will.

Children didn't break the law - they're parents did anyway. Punishing them for that seems wrong, if punishing them at all doesn't seem wrong to you.

Damn Liberals will believe anything their Democratic heroes tell them including 2+2=5! PROVE ME WRONG!
DON"T BREAK THE LAW! AND SURE AS HELL DON'T TRAFFICK KIDS HERE THAT ARE NOT YOUR OWN OR ANY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, THATS WANTON ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD!! SIMPLE AS THAT!

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Evading the law by crossing over our border is ILLEGAL!
I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF YOU LIBS THINKING THAT CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALY AND NOT THROUGH THE PORT OF ENTRIES IS LEGAL!
IS YOUR MOTHER BEARDED BY ANY CHANCE? ALSO DOES IT HAVE A PRETTY INTENSE RAINBOW DILDO COLLECTION ON IT'S BEDROOM SHELF ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE!

 

[Deleted-481927]

Damn Liberals will believe anything their Democratic heroes tell them including 2+2=5! PROVE ME WRONG!
DON"T BREAK THE LAW! AND SURE AS HELL DON'T TRAFFICK KIDS HERE THAT ARE NOT YOUR OWN OR ANY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, THATS WANTON ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD!! SIMPLE AS THAT!

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Evading the law by crossing over our border is ILLEGAL!
I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF YOU LIBS THINKING THAT CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALY AND NOT THROUGH THE PORT OF ENTRIES IS LEGAL!
IS YOUR MOTHER BEARDED BY ANY CHANCE? ALSO DOES IT HAVE A PRETTY INTENSE RAINBOW DILDO COLLECTION ON IT'S BEDROOM SHELF ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE!

i pray this is ironic lmao

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1. Immigrants are guaranteed a right to seek asylum, regardless of how they entered the US. At ports of entry, they are often blocked as well. We also need to be clear that the child separation policy was created to inflict harm as a deterrent. They admitted it.
2. First, you're not treated like a dag or any other type of animal if you're caught driving without a license. You still get basic human dignity that we are not seeing with detained immigrants and their children. Second, that's a crime, while seeking asylum is not. Third, people don't typically die in police custody after driving without a license.
3. First, asylum seekers didn't commit crimes. Second, commiting a kind of crime you're describing isn't a just reason for the deplorable conditions, deaths, and child-separation.
4. It has been more than a decade since a child has died while held by Customs and Border Protection. There's a false meme floating around that has been debunked (I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to, but it probably is). Do your homework, and don't use internet memes.
5. During the Holocaust, some of the very first Jews to be rounded up and forced to dig their own graves were immigrants who couldn't prove citizenship and were deported for being illegals.

someone actually being smart here hank you

 

[cots]

I didn't say it was concentration camps I forgot to add quotes.

It's essentially the same - minus the gassing and labour - theres been reports of staff RAPING people in there.

They do need AC at the fucking border if they're held their against their will.

Children didn't break the law - they're parents did anyway. Punishing them for that seems wrong, if punishing them at all doesn't seem wrong to you.

You said they were being deemed concentration camps. People get raped in prison. It's not right, but if they weren't breaking the law they wouldn't be being raped. It's not about what they aren't receiving in the detention centers, it's about the fact they shouldn't be breaking the law and ending up in them, which is something they are risking because of Libreral policies. Having Air Conditioning in the desert isn't a human right nor it is needed to survive. I know, I live in the desert. The children wouldn't be in this position if thier irresponsible parents wouldn't of put them in it or the Liberal policies weren't encouraging coyotes to bring them Illegally into the country for personal profit. Have you ever been in a normal juvenile detention center for our own citizens? The conditions you'll find them in isn't much better than the conditions of the camps. Don't break the law and don't encourage others to do so, if you do and get caught no one with a hint of intelligence is going to feel sorry for you.

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Damn Liberals will believe anything their Democratic heroes tell them including 2+2=5! PROVE ME WRONG!
DON"T BREAK THE LAW! AND SURE AS HELL DON'T TRAFFICK KIDS HERE THAT ARE NOT YOUR OWN OR ANY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, THATS WANTON ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD!! SIMPLE AS THAT!

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Evading the law by crossing over our border is ILLEGAL!
I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF YOU LIBS THINKING THAT CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALY AND NOT THROUGH THE PORT OF ENTRIES IS LEGAL!
IS YOUR MOTHER BEARDED BY ANY CHANCE? ALSO DOES IT HAVE A PRETTY INTENSE RAINBOW DILDO COLLECTION ON IT'S BEDROOM SHELF ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE!

Liberals don't care about the law unless thier own personal rights are being violated. Then they'll call the same police they trash talk and expect protection and the law to be followed. They are cowards who can't defend themselves nor probably wouldn't do more than post about things that outrage them. You won't find them lifting a finger to help these immigrants they encouraged to break the law, they cause the problem then expect everyone else to take care of it. They have little to no comphrension of the word personal responsibility.

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Damn Liberals will believe anything their Democratic heroes tell them including 2+2=5! PROVE ME WRONG!
DON"T BREAK THE LAW! AND SURE AS HELL DON'T TRAFFICK KIDS HERE THAT ARE NOT YOUR OWN OR ANY CHILD FOR THAT MATTER, THATS WANTON ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD!! SIMPLE AS THAT!

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Evading the law by crossing over our border is ILLEGAL!
I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF YOU LIBS THINKING THAT CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALY AND NOT THROUGH THE PORT OF ENTRIES IS LEGAL!
IS YOUR MOTHER BEARDED BY ANY CHANCE? ALSO DOES IT HAVE A PRETTY INTENSE RAINBOW DILDO COLLECTION ON IT'S BEDROOM SHELF ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE!

Letting them upset you is exactly what they're after. They don't care about themselves let alone Illegal immigrants. All they care about is emotional pleasure. It's not worth getting upset about. If you go around living life only going about how you feel and not what's right or real, you're delusional and if anything you should take pity on them and pray for thier souls.

 

[Taleweaver]

And giving free health care to illegals is whats contributing to driving up the costs and why it’s very expensive right now. Offering free health care to illegals and campaigning in Mexico like Beto O’ Rourke is doing will make the problem worse.

If that were true, other places with actually high immigration would have also high medical bills. This isn't the case. Ergo: the cause of your high medical support isn't that.

I'm also not sure why you think this is an issue. You don't migrate to Europe for decent Healthcare, right? So why would others come to the USA if your medical bills were upgraded from "one of the worst in the world" to... Say... "average"?

 

[cots]

If that were true, other places with actually high immigration would have also high medical bills. This isn't the case. Ergo: the cause of your high medical support isn't that.

I'm also not sure why you think this is an issue. You don't migrate to Europe for decent Healthcare, right? So why would others come to the USA if your medical bills were upgraded from "one of the worst in the world" to... Say... "average"?

You have 15 million people using "free" health care, which is 15 million people x amount of their costs. Tell me how having to use our taxes to pay for their costs (aka, it's not FREE), doesn't increase the cost to normal citizens. (15 million is an estimated number, I don't have any real sources for it, but even if the number was 5 million, my point still stands).

 

[notimp]

Illegal immigration is a problem because there is often times no registration of who is even in the country. Often times murderers that are illegal immigrants can hop the border once they are under pursuit and they are good as gone.

You've never leaned how statistics work in your life, havent you? Murderers that are illegal immigrants.
Often times.
Thats what having a moron president does to your collective psyche as a country.

edit: Here - percentage of murders (= higher than 'murderers' because presumably people in gangs or terror cells murder more than once) in comparison to the entire population "in the americas":
0.0163%

In europe:
0.003%

In the united states:
0.005%

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Now correlate per mill with entering the USA illegally, and you should get a value thats even lower. (Or higher - if only paid killers enter your country illegally - which would be an indication of your border control system working. -snip, skip personal attacks-)

Now correlate that with "this isnt DNA - mostly" so once they get into less violent societies, with a lower slums population, and less gang wars - guess what happens to the murder rate - even by nationality of immigrants?

I mean I know that your president sees mexicans as people that go to church on sunday, do work on monday, have a siesta on tuesday, and do murder on wednesday - but that still does make him a moron. And the leader of the free world. How about you dont copy statements from a moron though.

 

[notimp]

Here is how you would spell this our for a moron - btw. South americas murder rate is 3 times that of the United States. Lets take away "some of that" for migrants in the US because of "the environmental (social) and political situation" in said countries.

Lets say when those people get put into a better working society - 'their' murder rate comes down to 2 times that of the United States (As you dont often have gang wars or one drug cartel wiping out another one in the US - this is very, very likely).

Now compare and contrast with europe.

The US has a murder rate 2 times that of europes.

Do you hear us utter the statement "the problem with the US is that they are murderers, and some of them, I guess even are good people" often?

Do you see us tremble in fear, when we hop on a plane to visit your country for business trips or vacations?

No. Why not? Because if you double very small, you still get - very small (percentage). Tadaa.

 

[notimp]

No, no - but we only wan the good migrants. The ones you could background check (they smartphones are confiscated, their social accounts screened), ...

Oh grow up, would you?

 

[Deleted-401606]

So your pretty much saying
"because they already had problems in 1521 that they must still have those same problems in the 1900s+. And so gives us the right for the United States to go ahead and do what ever the fuck they want to other countries. Despite any advancements they have made as a society."
I'm I reading this wrong?
Because your really are ignoring you know the few (but important) times when the states did a little double funding. Pretty much funding between two sides of a conflict, or you know, working around the check and balances system to get a war, underhandedly causing governments to fall. I could you know, pull out my old history binder if you really want me to go through the details. There's a pretty strong running theme with the states dicking other countries and it backfiring hard. (and by old I mean a year ago)

I'm saying that it isn't the United States fault that these countries are failing.

 

[Deleted-481927]

You said they were being deemed concentration camps. People get raped in prison. It's not right, but if they weren't breaking the law they wouldn't be being raped. It's not about what they aren't receiving in the detention centers, it's about the fact they shouldn't be breaking the law and ending up in them, which is something they are risking because of Libreral policies. Having Air Conditioning in the desert isn't a human right nor it is needed to survive. I know, I live in the desert. The children wouldn't be in this position if thier irresponsible parents wouldn't of put them in it or the Liberal policies weren't encouraging coyotes to bring them Illegally into the country for personal profit. Have you ever been in a normal juvenile detention center for our own citizens? The conditions you'll find them in isn't much better than the conditions of the camps. Don't break the law and don't encourage others to do so, if you do and get caught no one with a hint of intelligence is going to feel sorry for you.

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Liberals don't care about the law unless thier own personal rights are being violated. Then they'll call the same police they trash talk and expect protection and the law to be followed. They are cowards who can't defend themselves nor probably wouldn't do more than post about things that outrage them. You won't find them lifting a finger to help these immigrants they encouraged to break the law, they cause the problem then expect everyone else to take care of it. They have little to no comphrension of the word personal responsibility.

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Letting them upset you is exactly what they're after. They don't care about themselves let alone Illegal immigrants. All they care about is emotional pleasure. It's not worth getting upset about. If you go around living life only going about how you feel and not what's right or real, you're delusional and if anything you should take pity on them and pray for thier souls.

ok so rape is ok if you cross the border

okay

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nvm im dumb i misread that but it seems like ur justifying it happening

its not a consequence of the border crossing - it's a consequence of corrupt border patrol agents

 

[erikas]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/03/politics/trump-border-patrol-facilities/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

The buzz in the news lately has been the overcrowded, but generally better condition that a lot of people who have been crossing the Southern border of illegally have found themselves in. Current policies encourage people to illegally bypass our border checkpoints and cross in dangerous locations because the policies then allow them to get free health insurance (emergency Medicaid), food assistance (SNAP gives them the option to not have to provide or prove they are a legal resident of the USA) and free housing. That's if they successfully sneak into the country otherwise they may die or find themselves in worse conditions than the likely outcome, which is they are apprehended and put into detention facilities (as they are breaking the law).

So the current policies encourage them to risk their own lives along with their children's for a free shot at living large, which puts a burden on the USA economy, brings with it drug smuggling and people who sell children for sex and enables criminals, who are organizing caravans of thousands of migrants to profit. It also gives the certain people that are not only personally profiting financially more votes because in thier districts they allow non-citizens to vote, while both the general public and the immigrants suffer.

Well, I don't see the general condition they find themselves in worse than what most of them came from and they are still being treated better than our own citizens that are homeless, without food or an airconditioned place to sleep. I think we should get rid of the policies encouraging the illegals and anyone in our government that is supporting this lawless act and cut the current detainees daily meals to what you would find in the Arizona Maricopa County Jail and cut off their air conditioning and make them live in tents like our homeless people are having to do because the Illegal immigrants are more of a priority than they are.

With that said I'm wondering what people from other countries, specifically not the USA or any south of our borders what they think about these policies? How does your country handle Illegal immigration and do you think it's wise to have no sort of border system with countries not in your Union or what have you?

We don't have welfare and so there's no immigration problem.