Why do people hate the R4 so much?

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  1. Azrunex
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    Why?

    It's got a big community (tons of people own it)
    it is compatible with every game i have played so far
    its got a built in cheat system
    moonshell comes with it
    it works as a passme
    microsd support

    what makes other cards better than the R4? i'm EXTREMELY happy with mine.
     


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    well, its overpriced
    as in you can get better flashcarts for a cheaper price
    it has microsd support
    but not microsdhc support
    which means it can only hold up to 2GB of memory
    it doesnt have any standout features that make it special
    like the DSTT is really fast
    the acekard2 has a really nice GUI
    cyclo and SCDS1 have slowmo and RTS
    etc
    no touch screen menu (not that important)
    not a very good support team
    and its just a bit outdated
     
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    Cheaper carts do its job better and faster. It is outdated and it doesn't even take sdhc cards.
     
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    its not necessarily hated on, but for people who know more about flashcarts, they know that you can get a cheaper and more feature-packed flashcard (ie, supercard, dstt, acekard 2, m3real, edge among others).

    So basically it is ridiculous for anyone who hasn't gotten a flashcard or is looking to get a new one to even consider purchasing an R4 because it is outdated and expensive.
     
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    It's supposed to phase out but it's still holding on tight.
    I got it last year so it's about time to let go, and I don't hate R4 for being inferior to newer flashcarts.
     
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    I just bought mine for $100! It should be arriving next week. Yeah for me! I got deal!
     
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    Member distorted.freque I'm getting mixed signals here!

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    I'll probably just repeat whatever they've said already so...with the way things are going...would it be advisable to get a new card if the one you currently have is the R4? (an original one...not those fakes everyone's talking about nowadays...)

    For me, I don't need the extra space or shiny features so I'll pass on that...unless anyone can give a viable reason...
     
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    As an owner of the R4 for more than a year and a half, may be 2, all I can say is I love it. As you said, it does what it's supposed so: Play ROMs, and has decent features.

    People don't like it probably because the R4 doesn't seem much when pitted against the newer, more feature-packed flashcarts. It has become inferior in a way, which is hard for me to accept since it was really big back in its early days.

    Some thing that has bugged me a lot is the R4 team. They don't update the R4 as often as they do (1 new firmware every month) and they stopped making features, which is a shame since the R4 has potential. This is probably another reason why the people hate it so much. On a positive note, the R4 doesn't need much updating since its able to serve its primary purpose (play ROMs) and the R4 team only updates the firmware to fix compatibility.
     
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    cant somebody make custom r4 firmwares?
     
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    Member distorted.freque I'm getting mixed signals here!

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    Wouldn't they need the source code or whatever to be able to make them?
     
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    oh yeah


    why cant someone on the r4 team betray them and release the source?
     
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    jan777, like the idea of a custom firmware to the R4... would be so cool if that could have been done [​IMG]
     
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    doesn't have as many features and firmware updates
     
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    The points have already been proven quite a few times. I never hated it. In fact, I was gonna buy it until I heard about the M3 Real (BEFORE it came out).

    I need SDHC support, because I had a handful of roms, homebrews, and I needed it as a multimedia player, seeing I sold my Sansa to a friend of mine for money.

    I had over 6 gigs of stuff, and I was very careless with small objects. As you can see already, I just wanted one micro sd, so I can carry everything in one.


    Back on the subject, the reason why people don't like the R4 nowadays, is because,

    1. The price. It's over priced compared to other carts that do more than the R4 does, at a lower price. Why would you buy a R4 when there's better, and cheaper products out there?

    2. The features. Yea, most people won't need it. But, there's still a huge majority that uses it. The R4 just plays games, and that's fine by me, since that's all I need it for. But Each people have different needs.

    3. SDHC support. This is a very important factor. If you think people should just use 2 gig carts, you're wrong. People need more space, and I'm currently using full 8 gigs out of my SDHC card. I have 4.2 gigs of roms, and I'll be using it for my new Mp3 soon anyway.

    4. The noobs, and the consumers. Well, this doesn't fit everyone who has it. But lately, a few of my friends got the R4. They keep talking to me how awesome it is, etc. But they think this is the only cart available. Even though there are better, cheaper carts out there. They just keep saying it's the best still, even though they have no experience with other carts, and just neglect other people's opinions. In short, fanboys who don't do research anything. They're quite annoying.

    All the stuff you've mentioned is a standard feature of a flashkart. Like I said previously, each people have different opinion. And the community is becoming smaller, bits by bits. It had it's glory, but it's gotten too much attention. Then, it let itself get beaten by other carts, and now, here we are.
     
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    And why didn't the DS-X team, or the EZ-flash team, or the Supercard team, etc teams release the source?
     
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    Because people might start getting ideas on how these things work and try their hand at making flashcards of their own? Dunno. Or maybe they just want to feel useful...>_>
     
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    I just get pissed off when people recommend it to others when they know that there are much better and cheaper cards out there.
     
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    Depends on the definition of "better", I guess.

    From a features point-of-view, yeah, there's lots that's better.

    But damn, those things are rugged! I've seen a couple of badly abused R4s that just kept working, once I opened them up and got the saliva or sweat residue out of them and smoothed over the teethmarks (some peoples kids are just plain feral...). The availability of replacement cases used to be a great thing too, as it'd bring a seriously abused cart back to usability.

    And they're pure simplicity, internally. Fewer connections, and few really fine ones, makes them potentially a little more shock-resistant than some other carts. Springless ones are probably about as bulletproof as these things are likely to get. Haven't had an Edge, so I can't fully comment on it, but chips protruding through the label side of the case doesn't seem like a brilliant idea in gear that has to survive really horrible children and uncaring adults.

    But yeah, they're too expensive for what they offer feature-wise these days - although that looks like its slowly improving.
     
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    Why I personally have 2 R4s and wouldn't mind getting another for someone who isn't gifted in the ways of technology:
    1)It's easy to use
    2)It's been around for a long time, and looks like it'll stay around much longer.
    3)It's simple and really matter-of-fact, something good for newcomers
    4)It used to be quite cheap for a cart, however now it's quite mid-range.


    A lot of people are NOW not recommending thembecause you can get clones of R4 that run better for cheaper. You can also just in general get cheaper better carts, but if you want to stick with what you kn ow, especially when selling to/buying for others, it works.
     
  20. Toni Plutonij

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    This is the MAIN reason why is R4 so hated over here..As flashcart, people don't hate it, but all this noobs that register and start writing topics about their R4 not working, and why can't they play GBA games, and everything like that and NO research, actually killed the cart itself..
    I see it as a quite decent cart with simplicity to do what it is supposed to do, but no improvements and no extras, which would be fine if it isn't that expensive right now..
     
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