The "Humanitarian" Aid to Venezuela

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Why Is Russia Helping Venezuela?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/americas/russia-venezuela-maduro-putin.html

 

[Xzi]

Why Is Russia Helping Venezuela?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/americas/russia-venezuela-maduro-putin.html

Russia has been looking for a chance to gain a foothold in South America for a long time. It's only now that the perfect opportunity has arisen, with Venezuela in crisis and a US president in office who is unwilling to act against Putin in any meaningful way.

 

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When you share Russia Today videos, you are actively spreading state sponsored russian propaganda

 

[notimp]

Russia has been looking for a chance to gain a foothold in South America for a long time. It's only now that the perfect opportunity has arisen, with Venezuela in crisis and a US president in office who is unwilling to act against Putin in any meaningful way.

Its the other way around. the article actually states, that Putin has helped Maduro and Chavez before him, to actually come into power.

But then again, after a history of incredibly bloody battles, murder, torture and missuse of power in south america, where the US tried to put in their dictators in the past - part of them not reacting especially well to direct US intervention, is not something especially odd.

Thats world politics for you.

So no "the russions are bad", and "they wouldnt dismiss the bad putin", but simply a bunch of countries who were russian allies in the past, even communist at one point - now being fought over to align with the US again.

Basically - this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

The main school, that the US produced their "south american ruler candidates" out of was called "School of the americas" - btw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas_Watch

https://fas.org/irp/crs/soa.htm

which basically was a military leadership training program.

This tactic is still in use currently btw.

Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, the man now in command in Egypt (edit: now "president for life" ), took a U.S. infantry basic training course at Fort Benning in 1981. Many foreign officers study alongside U.S. officers around the world. The theory has always been that the U.S. will fare better if the Pentagon has an inside track in foreign armies.

src: https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/why-we-call-closure-school-americas

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When you share Russia Today videos, you are actively spreading state sponsored russian propaganda

Agreed and just in general I dont share RT videos. I believe I've made one exception in my entire time in this forum so far, where they had a direct interview with a former head of state, that no one else had at the time.

And I usually put a byline there - that states that people should be aware that this comes from RT, and that they should be very sceptical of the source.

BUT.

When you share a clip of any hollywood movie using US military assets, you are spreading state sponsored US propaganda.

And not just in general, but very specifically. If you even as much as want to show a US fighter plane in your movie, they demand full control of your script. Not just theoretically, but in a very practical sense.
And here we are talking about millions on part of the production cost of any movie wanting to do so.

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...810-9483-898fa8b68cfe/?utm_term=.e12c8263fb9d

Platoon (anti vietnam movie) almost didnt get made, because of it. Ten years after the end of the vietnam war.

So - be cautious what you are asserting here. Lets just say - we want a fair playing field to begin with.

 

[Viri]

Why Is Russia Helping Venezuela?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/world/americas/russia-venezuela-maduro-putin.html

Don't forget about China! China doesn't want to lose out on all that money they invested into Venezuela.

 

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This was RT - but from the americans, back in the cold war days, btw:

One of the earliest responses in Europe was known as Radio in the American Sector (RIAS). RIAS was established in 1946 to serve the American sector in West Berlin.[35] The station's importance was magnified during the 1948 Berlin blockade, when it carried the message of Allied determination to resist Soviet intimidation. In East Germany, broadcasts included news, commentary, and cultural programs that were unavailable in the controlled media of the German Democratic Republic. The management of RIAS developed many of the techniques later used to develop Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. The RIAS broadcasts concentrated on the idea of democracy and the importance of the breakdown of the international communications barriers erected by the Communists. The programming was generally geared towards “special groups” within the East German population, including youth, women, farmers, etc.[36] The broadcast became known as the “bridge” from West to East Germany over the Berlin Wall.

Aside from RIAS, Voice of America (VOA) began broadcasting in 1947 in the Soviet Union for the first time as a part of U.S. foreign policy to fight the propaganda of the Soviet Union and other countries. Initially, there was only one hour per day of news and other features broadcast on the pretext of countering "more harmful instances of Soviet propaganda directed against American leaders and policies" on the part of the internal Soviet Russian-language media.[37] The Soviet Union responded by initiating aggressive, electronic jamming of Voice of America broadcasts on April 24, 1949.

src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propaganda#Cold_War

Notice how the US according to this wiki entry are only engaging in mass media propaganda "to counter the russian propaganda", and the russians are then responding to the "information efforts" in their own country with AGGRESSIVE radio jammers? Well, ... isnt that passive aggressive..

 

[erikas]

Good, fuck Munduro.

 

[notimp]

'merica fuck, yeah!

 

[notimp]

The coup (temporarily ) failed, btw. people didn't come out to the streets in masses.

Now the Venezuelan secret police started to kidnap parts of Guaidós entourage, and they are charging them with high treason.

Just as a short sit rep.

See media articles.

 

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Now the US are deepening their economic sanctions on Venezuela (a already economically destroyed country (1.000.000% inflation)), of course the Guaido puppet made a statement, that this is the best thing ever.
(edit: Oh sorry, I misread. He didnt. Instead he now openly stated, that the US should invade his country.

Well - looking at the date, they could still make the invasion happen for summer vacation time. Just as initially predicted. This summer Venezuela, guys!)

Those economic sanctions will show them citizens, not coming out on the streets in masses. (If they are hungry, they are more likely to, btw. thats some A grade wisdom for the organized toppling of regimes for you. )

And Cuba apparently now has to ration food supplies for their citizens, because of those sanctions. (Could be PR, although not very likely, because Cuba normalized relationships with the US during the current administration.)

USA, usa, us.. Ah forget it.

See media articles.

 

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About half of Venezuela’s foreign debt is explicitly owed by the
sovereign; the rest is owed by PDVSA. There are important differences.
Most of the sovereign-debt contracts have collective-action clauses
(CACs), under which a restructuring, if accepted by holders of an agreed
proportion of debt, can be imposed on all of them. PDVSA, Venezuela’s
main source of foreign exchange, would have a harder time restructuring
its debt. Its bond contracts do not have CACs; if all bondholders are
not satisfied by a restructuring offer, a few could hold PDVSA to
ransom. But a default would be messy. Unlike Venezuela itself, the oil
monopoly owns big assets outside the country, including Citgo, an oil
company in the United States. The risk that creditors might seize these
is one of the main reasons that Venezuela is so eager to avoid a
default. PDVSA may seek to delay payments due later this year, but that
will require the agreement of all creditors. Mr Maduro now admits that
Venezuela faces an economic catastrophe; he may be inching towards
realism about how to confront it. On February 15th the far-left
economics tsar, Luis Salas, was dismissed after just six weeks in the
newly created job. His replacement is Miguel Pérez Abad, a leftist
businessman who holds more moderate views. Mr Maduro followed that up by
raising the price of petrol 60-fold and tinkering with exchange rates:
he reduced the number of official rates from three to two and allowed
one to float. The strongest rate for the bolívar has been set at ten to
the dollar rather than 6.3. That still leaves Venezuela’s petrol the
cheapest in the world, and the strongest exchange rate wildly at
variance with the black-market rate of around 1,000 bolívares to the
dollar. And it leaves Venezuela without a plan to pay its debt, apart
from praying for a recovery in the oil price. In 2007 Venezuela stopped
co-operating with the IMF, one possible source of assistance. It could
turn to China, which has already lent it more than $50 billion and
accepts repayment in oil. There is speculation that Venezuela will seek
to delay the oil payments. China might agree, in return for access to
Venezuela’s oil and minerals on favourable terms. With Chinese help, and
a more benign oil market, it is just possible that Venezuela will avoid
defaulting on its bonds. But that help may come at a high price.

Chance find in The Economist 20.-26. February 2016
Which basically announces that the country is up for grabs..

Does anyone know what floating one exchange rate means, as to what potential effect it has on national debt? I dont, and I'm curious to know.

edit: Upon re-reading, it means business opportunities in exchange for what? Foreign currency?

 

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US police just raided the venezuelan embassy in washington, to get the Maduro appointed ambassador out, and the Guaido appointed ambassador in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/us/politics/venezuela-embassy-dc.html

*bwahaha*

edit: Furthermore -

The US just forbid all passenger flights into or out of Venezuela.

Funny.

Yesterday Guaido visited the british embassy in Caracas, where he met with canadian, british and norwegian officials and the Lima group.

Currently he is reported to be in norway, where he is in talks with the Maduro camp. Which he has denied taking place.

src: https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Ve...sition-und-Regierung-in-Norwegen-4424194.html (german)

edit: Maduro in the meantime marches publicly with the defense minister of Venezuela up and down some venezuelan streets.

Un extraordinario espíritu de lealtad y patriotismo se siente en los hombres y mujeres de la Infantería de Marina Bolivariana. Contamos con un gran poder militar que está dando un claro ejemplo al mundo de cohesión y fuerza moral. ¡Viva la Patria Inexpugnable! pic.twitter.com/IXACZwpcRr

— Nicolás Maduro (@NicolasMaduro) May 15, 2019

 

[notimp]

The Venezuela incident was an attempted US coup, initiated by 'unnamed financial interests' in the US.

The international call came in September 2018, after months of rising tension between the United States and Venezuela, a key strategic player in South America.

On one end of the line was Venezuela’s socialist president, the pariah leader of a disintegrating economy whom President Trump’s administration was seeking to isolate.

On the other end: the U.S. president’s personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani and then-Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.).

Both were part of a shadow diplomatic effort, backed in part by private interests, aimed at engineering a negotiated exit to ease President Nicolás Maduro from power and reopen resource-rich Venezuela to business, according to people familiar with the endeavor.

src: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Again, you have to stay on those stories, if you want to learn stuff.

edit: That language isn't used, when you talk about a still acting administration, but if you break it down, this is what it was.

 

[erikas]

The Venezuela incident was an attempted US coup, initiated by 'unnamed financial interests' in the US.

src: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9dc6aa-235f-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Again, you have to stay on those stories, if you want to learn stuff.

edit: That language isn't used, when you talk about a still acting administration, but if you break it down, this is what it was.

It was a coup? Good. Fuck Maduro.

 

[notimp]

Glad thats cleared up.

 

[Condarkness_XY]

I wasn't feeling that worried, until I woke up from my dreams and realized we still have captain jackass in office. He'll fuckup any situation and make things even worse.

 

[notimp]

US now proposes an interim government, for sanctions to be eased.
src: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxkIOLhTf4
(starting at about 13min in)

 

[notimp]

Ups.

 

[erikas]

Fuck maduro and everyone who still support him, fuck communists in general. So long as he's not taken out, and the entire government replaced, no humanitarian help will give any permanent fix.

 

[Seliph]

I'm no fan of Maduro, but if US aide gives Guaidó what he wants, Venezuala will be even worse off.

Honestly, I think Venezuela is fucked regardless of whether or not Maduro is removed from office. Either Venezuala is stuck in the situation they're currently in with Maduro, or Guaidó takes Maduro's place as a US-backed puppet, and Venezuala goes back to how it was before Hugo Chavez.

I feel terrible for the Venezuelan people, but it looks like change is coming soon if the "coup" is indicative of anything. I just hope that change benefits Venezuela, and doesn't hurt them further.

 

[notimp]

More context:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52568475

(Easier to digest than the interview above.)

[Venezuela said it would seek extradition of] Mr Goudreau, who has admitted he was involved in the operation.

Ehm, who does their PR again?