Whoops, meant to wrote it as Jesus is not a follower of John, sorry about that.I wrote Jesus is the follower of John (which is pretty much established by Christian and Non-Christian scholars).
Correct, it is written by the disciple of Jesus and not John. I never claimed that I am a historian.No, this is not what John the Baptist said. It is what Matthew claims John the Baptist said.
Who is Matthew? One of Jesus´s followers. It is no wonder that he wants to make his master appear better than John the baptist. He somehow had to explain why there is even a need for his master - who is a divine figure - to be baptist by anyone. We do not find this statement in Mark (which was presumably written earlier than Matthew).
This is how an historian thinks. You think like a gullible primary school student.
I am not going to refute you. I heard / read that the childhood of Jesus was from his mother (and again... written by His disciple).Yes, that´s one of the later stories that people came up with when people started to wonder "what was Jesus like as a child?" There are many more stories about Baby Jesus and little Jesus (some have found their way in the Quran btw) people came up with.
First people believed Jesus was somewhat divine by adoption at his batism ("this is my son"), then because of divine conception (Mary the virgin) and finally he was the reason of the world´s existence itself (John 1:1).
That I leave it to your imagination, nothing that I will say will convince you, and I am not even trying to convince you.You´re welcome.
The baptism of Jesus is historical. There is no reason for his followers to invent a story that makes him look lower than another master. But they had to come up with ways to justify it (see above).
Based on your replyThey could not deal with the death of their master. Jews do not believe in a defeated Messiah. The Messiah defeats. Since Jesus was killed, he was exposed as a wrong Messiah like many before and after him (and since the endtimes did not come he was exposed as a failed prophet as well, but this does not stop you apparently).
So his followers came up with crazier and crazier justifications (he will come back, he is God himself etc) just like we can see how some Trump followers still think Trump will remain president (as seen on Live TV recently). Believe in the plan, man!
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It is what Matthew claims John the Baptist said.
Who is Matthew? One of Jesus´s followers. I
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, there is no point in arguing more. Hey, why would we even read the encyclopedia, school textbooks, etc. It is rewritten by someone else. It is up to you to doubt the writer.
A great marketing strategy. Also works in Islam, for example.
If you believe in Trump you will be persecuted but do not dispair: in the afterlife there is blabla.
If you really believe this marketing trick, why don´t you go to a country in which there is actually the thread of death for spreading the word AS YOUR MASTER DEMANDS OF YOU? Go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and start preaching. Why are we still debating?
You just admitted you are a bad Christian. If you really believe, you will do something about it. Deeds speak louder than words. Go on, plan your journey.
Here is my take on that.
The bible said: If you do as Jesus said, you might be prosecuted but promised to be in His kingdom.
My response: sure it is better to believe in the afterlife instead of believing that there is nothing after death.
Why do I believe in Jesus? Hey, He teaches people to be peaceful, I want to be peaceful, so I will follow his teachings. That's my logic, it may sound dumb. I did not claim I am perfect and the sharpest tool in the drawer.
Believing in Jesus =! going everywhere forcing everyone to do the same otherwise call them heathens.
Jesus never told his disciple to do that (or so what His disciple wrote and translated as you said).
Here is an example, in one of the event Jesus was with Martha and Maria, Martha was busy with preparing the cooking or something and Maria did not help. Jesus did not rebuke Maria but instead said it is better to hear the word instead of busy doing something else. The key point here is doing evangelism is not the whole point of Christianism. Following His teaching is.
If you think a good Christian = doing evangelism and forcing opinions on others then boy, I wonder what type of Christian you met lol.
Also a final point, I do respect Jesus as written in the bible and tries to follow His teachings. Whether the bible is fact or not is another point. Lets just say I am a 13 years old who watches Naruto and found that Naruto is great and tries to mimic his action IRL.
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