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The followers of Trump and Jesus have something in common

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I wrote Jesus is the follower of John (which is pretty much established by Christian and Non-Christian scholars).
Whoops, meant to wrote it as Jesus is not a follower of John, sorry about that.

No, this is not what John the Baptist said. It is what Matthew claims John the Baptist said.
Who is Matthew? One of Jesus´s followers. It is no wonder that he wants to make his master appear better than John the baptist. He somehow had to explain why there is even a need for his master - who is a divine figure - to be baptist by anyone. We do not find this statement in Mark (which was presumably written earlier than Matthew).
This is how an historian thinks. You think like a gullible primary school student.
Correct, it is written by the disciple of Jesus and not John. I never claimed that I am a historian.

Yes, that´s one of the later stories that people came up with when people started to wonder "what was Jesus like as a child?" There are many more stories about Baby Jesus and little Jesus (some have found their way in the Quran btw) people came up with.
First people believed Jesus was somewhat divine by adoption at his batism ("this is my son"), then because of divine conception (Mary the virgin) and finally he was the reason of the world´s existence itself (John 1:1).
I am not going to refute you. I heard / read that the childhood of Jesus was from his mother (and again... written by His disciple).

You´re welcome.
The baptism of Jesus is historical. There is no reason for his followers to invent a story that makes him look lower than another master. But they had to come up with ways to justify it (see above).
That I leave it to your imagination, nothing that I will say will convince you, and I am not even trying to convince you.

They could not deal with the death of their master. Jews do not believe in a defeated Messiah. The Messiah defeats. Since Jesus was killed, he was exposed as a wrong Messiah like many before and after him (and since the endtimes did not come he was exposed as a failed prophet as well, but this does not stop you apparently).
So his followers came up with crazier and crazier justifications (he will come back, he is God himself etc) just like we can see how some Trump followers still think Trump will remain president (as seen on Live TV recently). Believe in the plan, man!
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It is what Matthew claims John the Baptist said.
Who is Matthew? One of Jesus´s followers. I
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, there is no point in arguing more. Hey, why would we even read the encyclopedia, school textbooks, etc. It is rewritten by someone else. It is up to you to doubt the writer.

A great marketing strategy. Also works in Islam, for example.
If you believe in Trump you will be persecuted but do not dispair: in the afterlife there is blabla.
If you really believe this marketing trick, why don´t you go to a country in which there is actually the thread of death for spreading the word AS YOUR MASTER DEMANDS OF YOU? Go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and start preaching. Why are we still debating?
You just admitted you are a bad Christian. If you really believe, you will do something about it. Deeds speak louder than words. Go on, plan your journey.

Here is my take on that.
The bible said: If you do as Jesus said, you might be prosecuted but promised to be in His kingdom.
My response: sure it is better to believe in the afterlife instead of believing that there is nothing after death.
Why do I believe in Jesus? Hey, He teaches people to be peaceful, I want to be peaceful, so I will follow his teachings. That's my logic, it may sound dumb. I did not claim I am perfect and the sharpest tool in the drawer.

Believing in Jesus =! going everywhere forcing everyone to do the same otherwise call them heathens.
Jesus never told his disciple to do that (or so what His disciple wrote and translated as you said).

Here is an example, in one of the event Jesus was with Martha and Maria, Martha was busy with preparing the cooking or something and Maria did not help. Jesus did not rebuke Maria but instead said it is better to hear the word instead of busy doing something else. The key point here is doing evangelism is not the whole point of Christianism. Following His teaching is.

If you think a good Christian = doing evangelism and forcing opinions on others then boy, I wonder what type of Christian you met lol.

Also a final point, I do respect Jesus as written in the bible and tries to follow His teachings. Whether the bible is fact or not is another point. Lets just say I am a 13 years old who watches Naruto and found that Naruto is great and tries to mimic his action IRL.
 
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It probably would be more accurate to compare it to a cult than a religion, so you could use Scientology for comparison.

Whenever I read a Christian bringing up Jesus, I ask myself: Have they forgotten who God is? Jesus is His son. God's name is Jehovah (or Yahweh).
 
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It probably would be more accurate to compare it to a cult than a religion, so you could use Scientology for comparison.

Whenever I read a Christian bringing up Jesus, I ask myself: Have they forgotten who God is? Jesus is His son. God's name is Jehovah (or Yahweh).
Christianism was a cult at one point too.
 

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I think it's fair to say that many Trump supporters do come across like they're in a cult. Obviously not all of them, but their loudest ones can absolutely come across that way.
 

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r5xscn said:
Why do I believe in Jesus? Hey, He teaches people to be peaceful, I want to be peaceful, so I will follow his teachings.
Being peaceful is not the core of what Jesus taught. After all, the Bible mentions his return in which he will destroy those who do not believe in him.
Buddha sounds much more peaceful. Why don´t you follow him?

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Believing in Jesus =! going everywhere forcing everyone to do the same otherwise call them heathens.
Jesus never told his disciple to do that (or so what His disciple wrote and translated as you said).
I didn´t claim that either. You shouldn´t force people do to anything (though the word "compel" appears in the story of the wedding), but you do have an obligation to spread the word. Millions of North Koreans and Arabs have not heard the word. Why are you risking your afterlife by talking to me instead of going to these people? Are you saying Jesus did not command his followers to evangelize?

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Here is an example, in one of the event Jesus was with Martha and Maria, Martha was busy with preparing the cooking or something and Maria did not help. Jesus did not rebuke Maria but instead said it is better to hear the word instead of busy doing something else. The key point here is doing evangelism is not the whole point of Christianism. Following His teaching is.
No, you misunderstood the story. The busy sister did not evangelize! Jesus already believed, didn´t he?
Following his teachings includes spreading the word.
 
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Being peaceful is not the core of what Jesus taught. After all, the Bible mentions his return in which he will destroy those who do not believe in him.
What makes you think that that is not the core of what Jesus taught? It's basically, do good, otherwise, you will get yer ass some whooping. There is action and there is a reaction. Just because the bad guy is not punished now, does not mean it won't be done later.

I believe Him not because of the promise for letting me in heaven or something. I believed His teachings (the one written in the bible) because I want to. Why don't I believe in Buddha? Well, first I don't follow Buddhism, but I do respect people who believe in Buddha or any other gods, its their choice.

It does sound like a ransom tho. Some Christians used it as a scare tactic in evangelism, which I believed was wrong, because if you never heard Jesus and you died, what will become of you? Into the hell? That's injustice IMO.

Here is what I like from the bible. Matthew 13:24 The tares and the wheat. In the end, the tares and the wheat will be separated and the tares will be burn. What differs the tares and the wheat? The wheat brings forth fruits and the tares does not. What fruits? Galatians 5:22~23.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

I didn´t claim that either. You shouldn´t force people do to anything (though the word "compel" appears in the story of the wedding), but you do have an obligation to spread the word. Millions of North Koreans and Arabs have not heard the word. Why are you risking your afterlife by talking to me instead of going to these people? Are you saying Jesus did not command his followers to evangelize?

I am not saying that Jesus did not command the followers to evangelize. I said that it is not the only thing of being a Christian. Would you prefer a corrupt Christian that evangelizes or a good Christian that does not evangelize?
The bible said that if you do what Jesus said, people will see that Christian = good and start to get interested in the teachings. That's one form of evangelism.

Its not just lets crusade to North Korea and whoop their asses if they dont follow us. That's just an excuse for colonializing or invading a country, which brings bad name to Christianism. I do believe justice will prevail on the judgment day.



No, you misunderstood the story. The busy sister did not evangelize! Jesus already believed, didn´t he?
Following his teachings includes spreading the word.
I did not say Martha evangelized, I said she is busy doing the cooking or something (basically servicing others). Spreading the word does not always equal to do "Jehova witness door knocking".
 
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Its not just lets crusade to North Korea and whoop their asses if they dont follow us.
That´s now what I suggested. It is not what people did in the Bible. They went to foreign lands (like Paul), spread the word and risked their lives doing so. So why don´t you go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and get persecuted for your belief? It is what Jesus´s true followers did and do.
 

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That´s now what I suggested. It is not what people did in the Bible. They went to foreign lands (like Paul), spread the word and risked their lives doing so. So why don´t you go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and get persecuted for your belief? It is what Jesus´s true followers did and do.

Hey, they just spread the word. Not like in the modern era where nations conquer other nations under the flag of Christianism.

In the bible, Jesus said if you preach to new villages or area and they refused it, then let it be, it will be on them on judgment day (which they probably also does not believe lol). Not whoop their asses if they don't believe.

The point here is not all Christians = preachers and not all preachers are doing it for Jesus.

I do often fall to the same conclusion tho.
For example, if I went to a store and got bad service I probably said the whole brand sucks because of a sample size of 1. But again, why would I try other stores if I already got a bad experience.
Unless its KFC and I will try to justify that it does not happen in other stores lol.
 
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Not whoop their asses if they don't believe.
Can you stop it? I never suggested that. I suggested you should get your ass kicked by non-believers who have not heard the word yet. This is the Christian way. It is your safest way to go to heaven. You already said you are a bad Christian. Therefore you should be afraid of hell.
The truth is, you don´t really believe in Christianity. You just find it pleasant and deceive yourself into believing that everything will be ok, just like Trump´s Q crowd.
 

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Can you stop it? I never suggested that. I suggested you should get your ass kicked by non-believers who have not heard the word yet. This is the Christian way. It is your safest way to go to heaven. You already said you are a bad Christian. Therefore you should be afraid of hell.
The truth is, you don´t really believe in Christianity. You just find it pleasant and deceive yourself into believing that everything will be ok, just like Trump´s Q crowd.

Sorry if I misunderstood you, "I suggested you should get your ass kicked by non-believers who have not heard the word yet" but yes you are correct. This is what the bible suggested. I am not afraid of hell. If God deemed that I am not good enough then be it. I am not saying that everything will be okay. I said all action has its effect, including doing nothing. I won't even judge your action.

I commented on your thread because I think one of your statements is wrong and here is what I think is correct. You are free to believe what you want. For that reason, I will stop commenting because the further discussion is useless.

Edit: the misunderstanding is caused by your own mistake (typo below "That's now what I suggested.").
That´s now what I suggested. It is not what people did in the Bible. They went to foreign lands (like Paul), spread the word and risked their lives doing so. So why don´t you go to North Korea or Saudi Arabia and get persecuted for your belief? It is what Jesus´s true followers did and do.
 
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Yeah...I couldn't care less what does or doesn't happen to Christianity in the future. It's already lost a lot of influence here in the present, with all the various pedophilia scandals in the Catholic church and whatnot.
Really? Have you seen the resurgence of Christianity in the former USSR?

Besides that, how does Christians having more kids than atheists bode well for atheism?

Lenin's brand of authoritarian communism was about as far from syndicalism or socialism as it gets. Socialism is a set of economic principles, it isn't inherently inclusive or exclusive to any religion.
It wasn't Real Socialism, gotcha. Definitely never head that before.

Besides that, why do you as I presume a non-religious person have a personal commitment to any ideology? Shouldn't you commit only to those ideas that benefit you personally, regardless of originating ideology?

I was clearly referring to Trumpism there, not Christianity. Though as I've already explained, the former is incompatible with the latter, and has overtaken it in large part.
Have you studied the origins of the Nazi party in post-WWI Germany? Do you know what the Spartacist Uprising was? Do you know about the mass murder and genocide of Christians and kulaks in Ukraine, and how refugees fleeing that to Germany as well as attacks by the OG antifa on the center-right conservative party led to the rise of the Nazi party?

Repression always leads to fascism, yet the apparent goal of the left is to oppress Trump voters, who were happy to support a guy whose policies were those of a Democrat from 1994. This will lead to them going further right, not to capitulation (though it may seem like many are capitulating when they are actually going underground).

You should worry less about Trump and more about the guy who comes after him; and how the policies you support (outsourcing, scab labor for corporations, radical centralization of federal power under neo-libs like Clinton and Obama - and to be fair, neocons like Bush I and II) created Trump and will create something far worse for you and America than him.

He says, knowing full well Trump tried to start WW3 in week one of 2020, and continues to try to spark a second civil war. Let me guess, you probably voted GWB twice, too. "Warmongering neoliberal" is practically a compliment within the Republican party at this point.
I seem to remember Hillary Clinton promising to send troops to Ukraine to fight Russian soldiers on Russia's border. I also remember Democrats and Republicans first praising Trump when he bombed an empty tarmac in Syria, and then accusing him of being a Russian agent and impeaching him for not starting a war with Russia.

That you don't remember this indicates that you lack object permanence or that you are insincere. Neither bodes well for the rest of your arguments.

I first voted for Kerry, then Obama, then Ron Paul, and then Trump.

I'll give you this though, the traitors in the Republican can absolutely be called warmongering neoliberals. Unfortunately for America and the word, your boy Biden stacked his cabinet with Dubya alumni. If you were informed beyond parroting what your peers spew, you'd know this.

I won't make any excuses for Obama, our involvement in Libya was unnecessary. It was also very limited, which is why we won't be dealing with the fallout from it in twenty years like we are now with Afghanistan/Iraq.
Really? Ghaddafi's son is getting close to cleaning up the rebels/freedom-fighters/whatever, just in time for the Biden administration.

As for it being limited, there are slave markets for castrated sub-Saharan African men in Libya today. There are also millions of Libyans and sub-Saharan Africans in Western Europe right now largely because Ghaddafi was assassinated, there was no one to protect Libya's southern border, and there's money to be made in smuggling people to Germany, France, and Britain.

We may have avoided fallout from it, but Europe hasn't. Besides, Biden wants to increase refugee intake as much as he can. Another Libyan war would be just the ticket, and soon afterwards we'd get to experience the joys of even greater diversity.

No issue...by context alone you should've been able to figure out that I attended a public elementary school and a public high school, along with community college. And "bougie socialists?" Really? :rofl:
Interesting response, more for what it doesn't say than what it does.

You seem to have a bit of trouble with reading comprehension. I didn't say there were zero church-run missions in my entire state, just that none of the ones closest to me are. My point about megachurches stands, and there's another argument to be made against the tax-exempt status of churches as well.
If you want to remove the tax-exempt status of chuches then it's only fair to do it for all charities, especially those who belong to the secular state religion that you espouse.

Megachurches are best broken up with vigorous fraud and white collar crime investigations and prosecutions.

Speaking of white collar crime, the two cities with the largest number of white collar crime convictions are New York and Salt Lake City. I leave it to you to figure out why, because neither of these cities are bastions of Christianity*.

*Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims, both in terms in text and historical behavior towards Christians. If you don't believe me, look into Mitt Romney's tenure at Bain Capital, the religious makeup of the towns whose livelihoods he sold to China, and his status as a Mormon.

Then I have good news for you. Jesus also doesn't like those pharisee and law abiders who study the law of Moses but did not practice the law of God (the 10 testaments). The bible also wrote that Jesus protects a woman who did adultery from being stoned and told people to check themselves before judging other people.
Did you miss the part where Jesus said, "Go and sin no more"? He was advocating for second chances, not a license to sin.

natural selection doesn't work like that. if anyone reproduces that doesn't have a religion (lots of people), it becomes a neutral evolutionary trait at best, and negative trait at worst (religious extermination). people have no sense of timescale since our year is 2021. in reality we have been fucking around with religion for ~70,000 years, and dicking with fire for almost 1,700,000-2,000,000 years. to put that in perspective, Christianity has existed for 0.119% of time since fire was discovered. there is evidence of belief in an afterlife, and other rituals as far back as 200,000BC. fuck a majority of Christians still don't believe in evolution even though we're watching the coronavirus mutate in real time.

the chances of ANYONE's religion being the right one is basically 0.
Consider the sociological implications of religion, not whether or not they are factually correct.

It's only neutral if it doesn't help or harm the odds of reproduction.

What I'm saying is it seems that political leanings are at least partially heritable, and absent the heavy hand of the patriarchy enforcing shotgun marriages and banning birth control, left-leaning people tend to not reproduce as much as those who lean right. It doesn't mean a lot in one or two generations, but like all things exponential once it gets going it stays going.

By not enforcing reproduction on everyone, and by erecting barriers to reproduction*, it ensures only those predisposed to fecundity and capable of sustaining themselves in a neoliberal/conservative hellscape such as our world reproduce.

*Barriers being:
1. Lack of affordable childcare due to destruction of extended families which leads to the need for both parents to work so a kid can be put in daycare.
2. Globalization increasing competition between workers, reducing the bargaining power of Labor, and making it more difficult for everyone but the most well-connected or those most willing to scam the system to have kids.
3. Increased housing costs due to increased migration, to which the Left responds with population density maps of the USA... as if we all want to live in a crowded favela.
4. Race to the bottom in product quality. Planned obsolescence is the only way that large firms can make money producing goods at scale. If Ford made 10 million trucks a year that last 40 years, in 10 years no one would need to buy any new trucks for a generation. This is intrinsic to scaled-up corporation systems of productions regardless of their stated economic system. China pays people to consume resources and pollute the environment making pointless junk because they need to keep the proles busy to avoid unrest, and as a form of mercantile imperialism against their foreign competition. The USA pays people to consume resources and pollute the environment making pointless junk so the current CEO can make another $40 million a year in stock options. They're both managed economies, they both are hideously destructive, and both should be rejected.
 
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Really? Have you seen the resurgence of Christianity in the former USSR?

Besides that, how does Christians having more kids than atheists bode well for atheism?
Again, I just don't have the same obsession over which religion will "rule the future" that you apparently do. The Abrahamic religions all seem dead set on exterminating each other, so that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their long-term prospects.

It wasn't Real Socialism, gotcha. Definitely never head that before.

Besides that, why do you as I presume a non-religious person have a personal commitment to any ideology? Shouldn't you commit only to those ideas that benefit you personally, regardless of originating ideology?
I didn't deny that it was a form of Communism, just not a form that I'd endorse in whole or even in part.

Again, Socialism is a set of economic principles, not really an "ideology" per se. There are too many reasons to list as to why I believe it's superior to capitalism, but the short version is that nobody should be starving to death in the richest nation on Earth, as they are now. Hell, cannibalize one billionaire's wealth (take Bezos as an example), and you could feed the entire world population for decades, if not centuries.

If you want to know why all my motives aren't self-serving, that's easy: I simply wasn't raised that way.

Do you know about the mass murder and genocide of Christians and kulaks in Ukraine, and how refugees fleeing that to Germany as well as attacks by the OG antifa on the center-right conservative party led to the rise of the Nazi party?
No need to use code, there was a fair-sized Socialist presence in Germany at the time. They were one of the first groups Hitler had to execute in order to complete his rise to power. You seem well-versed in WW2 history, so this is probably something you already knew and decided to leave out because it doesn't fit so well with the rest of your argument. Tsk tsk.

Repression always leads to fascism
Capitalism has led us to where we are now, facing down modern-day fascists. Placing too much value on money and property has devalued human life in their eyes, to the point where police brutality is perfectly acceptable to the right-wing. Repression of intolerance is precisely what is needed to combat the rise of Trump's fourth reich.

You should worry less about Trump and more about the guy who comes after him; and how the policies you support (outsourcing, scab labor for corporations, radical centralization of federal power under neo-libs like Clinton and Obama - and to be fair, neocons like Bush I and II) created Trump and will create something far worse for you and America than him.
This is assuming Trump isn't allowed to burn down the Republican party and leave only smoldering ash in its wake. Because if he's allowed to run again, that's exactly what's gonna happen.

I seem to remember Hillary Clinton promising to send troops to Ukraine to fight Russian soldiers on Russia's border.
While I wouldn't approve of all-out war with Russia, this type of response was absolutely warranted. Russia had just annexed Crimea and was attempting to invade Ukraine at the time, an ally of the US. Trump gave Putin everything he could've wanted in this regard by just ignoring the problem.

I also remember Democrats and Republicans first praising Trump when he bombed an empty tarmac in Syria, and then accusing him of being a Russian agent and impeaching him for not starting a war with Russia.
You remember wrong. The criticism was for abandoning our Kurdish allies in the region and (once again) letting Putin come in and take control instead. Trump's first impeachment had nothing to do with a potential war, and everything to do with pressuring Ukraine to start a baseless investigation into Hunter/Joe Biden. I believe there were a million better reasons to impeach, but whatever. The fact remains that Russia is our adversary, not our friend. They just got done hacking most of the US government, including our nuclear stockpile, a story that was largely swept under the rug after the capitol riot.

Really? Ghaddafi's son is getting close to cleaning up the rebels/freedom-fighters/whatever, just in time for the Biden administration.

As for it being limited, there are slave markets for castrated sub-Saharan African men in Libya today. There are also millions of Libyans and sub-Saharan Africans in Western Europe right now largely because Ghaddafi was assassinated, there was no one to protect Libya's southern border, and there's money to be made in smuggling people to Germany, France, and Britain.
So you're telling me Ghaddafi's son is slaughtering his own people and allowing a massive human trafficking operation to continue in the country, but I'm supposed to believe he's a good guy? Seems like the country was going to end up in a bad place with or without the drones we sent to help the rebels.

Besides, Biden wants to increase refugee intake as much as he can. Another Libyan war would be just the ticket, and soon afterwards we'd get to experience the joys of even greater diversity.
There are already a ton of Syrian and Kurdish refugees out there, Trump being responsible for many of them becoming refugees in the first place. On top of which, climate change is set to make the Middle East practically uninhabitable in the next ten years or so. There will be no shortage of refugees resulting from that.

Interesting response, more for what it doesn't say than what it does.
Huh? If you're really that interested, the reason I attended a Christian middle school was simply out of convenience for my parents. It was like halfway between where they worked and where we lived in Washington state, and the public schools were all either further away or located in the opposite direction.

If you want to remove the tax-exempt status of chuches then it's only fair to do it for all charities
Charities don't waste money on status symbols like megachurches and private jets.
 
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While I wouldn't approve of all-out war with Russia, this type of response was absolutely warranted. Russia had just annexed Crimea and was attempting to invade Ukraine at the time, an ally of the US.
Maniacs like you are what is problematic about democracy. If only soldiers could vote for the president, the US army would not be as trigger-happy. The average voter is an idiot and should have no say in wars. Mark Dice (before he became a Trump fanboy) did a video in which he told random people that the US just had nuked China and what they think about it. Scary as f*ck.
US troops in Ukraine is the same as World War 3. There are some red lines you do not cross.
US troops in Ukraine is like Russian troops in Canada.

Trump's first impeachment had nothing to do with a potential war, and everything to do with pressuring Ukraine to start a baseless investigation into Hunter/Joe Biden.
Baseless investigation? Biden admitted to it! It is on video (he was even bragging about it).

The fact remains that Russia is our adversary, not our friend.
You are a victim of Hollywood and the military industrial complex.
Being at odds with Russia is not a natural law. The US is constantly provoking Russia. There are US planes and ships going up and done e.g. the Baltic sea and if the Russians respond, you call them aggressive. If Russia did the same, we would have already had World War 3.
 

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