The escalation of the Israel-Palestine conflict

[Xzi]

DRUMPF FUCKED A PORN STAR 10 YEARS AGO, IMPEACH!

The cover-up during an election is obviously a bigger story than the fact that Trump has had to pay for every time he's had sex. Although I recall a blowjob supposedly being enough to impeach Clinton on its own.

Oh, and the Stormy Daniels lawsuit ended up tying into the Russia investigation, which was quite amusing. Turns out a Russian oligarch may have reimbursed Michael Cohen (Trump's lawyer) after he made the payment to Daniels.

 

[Viri]

The cover-up during an election is obviously a bigger story than the fact that Trump has had to pay for every time he's had sex.

And I'm sure he grabbed her by the pussy too!

 

[Foxi4]

Traditional Republicans are becoming a rare breed because the party was first co-opted by the Tea Party, and now it's been co-opted by Trump. The Republican party is losing all their values because Trump has no values. A majority of Evangelicals would continue to support him even if he fucked a cantaloupe on live TV. These people really have no shame or feel for hypocrisy any longer. I wish we could have the Republicans of the 90s back, even despite their flaws.

What was wrong with the Tea Party? Their primary goal was to reduce the size and scope of government - something you could get behind based on your sentiments regarding the military. I don't know what you heard on TV, but they weren't particularly interested in social issues. To be fair though, the "Tea Party" wasn't exactly uniform, it was an amalgamation of individuals with varied views on social issues and a similar approach towards government.

DRUMPF FUCKED A PORN STAR 10 YEARS AGO, IMPEACH!

You're too funny.

 

[cots]

"Agree with me or you're a sexist, racist, bigoted homophobe who hates the disabled" is such a constant in modern political discourse that I've began to tune it out, like white noise. There's only so many times you can call someone like that before those words lose all meaning, and they shouldn't because there are real bigots out there. Very few and very far between, but they're despised universally, by the left and the right. "Fuck your feelings" is an absolute necessity in this day and age, it's the only thing that can turn the tide of PC and actually allow us to have meaningful conversations without jumping at each other's throats. If we just agree from the outset that "how we feel" about things doesn't matter, we can move forward. If we don't, we'll just regress into more and more chaos. Your post really cheered me up, it's rare to see an actual moderate who'll look at both sides and use reason to determine what's likely to be true, try to distill what's really going on and make decisions based on that.

Liberals are too focused on the way they feel and think the way to live is the please everyone. I was taught to deal with my emotions in a positive way instead of holding them inside and letting them control me. Liberals just don't understand how the world works and live in some fantasy land. Kids these days are not properly taught to deal with their emotions and conflict; take for example a bully. When I was young and someone would bully me my Dad told me to "beat the shit out of him and he won't bug you again". Ironically it worked and most of the people I fought ended up becoming my friends (I fought a lot, I lived in a rural farming town and was a skinny nerd. I wouldn't always win, that's for sure, but if you don't stand up against bullies you won't get respect). So now a days kids get bullied, but are unequipped with the skills to deal with stuff rationally so they end up killing themselves, shooting each other, require medication and counseling to deal with not dealing with things properly when all they had to do is stand up for themselves. A lot of times when you do "stand your ground" the bully will simply back down, but you also have to be reading to defend yourself if you are physically attacked. Letting the way you feel control your life is not living a productive life in society, but Liberals don't care about that as all they want to do is let their feelings control them and have no self control and have society be "okay" with that.

 

[Xzi]

What was wrong with the Tea Party? Their primary goal was to reduce the size and scope of government - something you could get behind based on your sentiments regarding the military. I don't know what you heard on TV, but they weren't particularly interested in social issues. To be fair though, the "Tea Party" wasn't exactly uniform, it was an amalgamation of individuals with varied views on social issues and a similar approach towards government.

Eh, it was the same "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" nonsense coming from the top down. They'd never advocate cuts to the military, only cuts to social spending, healthcare, the EPA, etc. Smaller government with the intention of making it more efficient is fine, but all we've had in recent years is smaller government with the intention of choking out services that people rely on for their livelihood.

Also, I doubted their intentions. Republicans haven't been fiscally responsible for decades. GWB and Trump are record spenders, and we never get anything in return for all their spending.

 

[cots]

Traditional Republicans are becoming a rare breed because the party was first co-opted by the Tea Party, and now it's been co-opted by Trump. The Republican party is losing all their values because Trump has no values. A majority of Evangelicals would continue to support him even if he fucked a cantaloupe on live TV. These people really have no shame or feel for hypocrisy any longer. I wish we could have the Republicans of the 90s back, even despite their flaws.

The Tea-Party and the Alt-Right are both very vocal minorities that the Liberals like to focus on and tell their audience that "these are how all republicans are". If they would report on the actual majority they would have not so much to shock people with. The Liberal media is giving these minorities a lot more attention then they deserve. The Republican party is pretty split by Trump as he's not a politician and does what he thinks best for America and doesn't do what they want him to do. A lot of top players dislike him because of this. Everyone always talks about "draining the swamp", but when it happens they complain if it doesn't happen they complain and if nothing happens they complain.

 

[Foxi4]

The cover-up during an election is obviously a bigger story than the fact that Trump has had to pay for every time he's had sex.

Oh, and the Stormy Daniels lawsuit ended up tying into the Russia investigation, which was quite amusing. Turns out a Russian oligarch may have reimbursed Michael Cohen (Trump's lawyer) after he made the payment to Daniels.

It's so incredibly entertaining that an investigation that, over the course of nearly 2 years, produced zero evidence of collusion has now completely divorced itself from attempting to prove any manipulation of the election results and is now more interested in Trump's personal dealings, including what kind of pussy he likes to grab. It's going to be really funny when the charade is over and Mueller has to admit in front of the world that he didn't find a thing. Remember, all of this started with the idea that Russia attempted to maliciously swing an election, of which there's still no evidence, and now we're more interested in Cohen's slush fund for Trump whores. We're so removed from the original point of the investigation that I fail to see how it could continue for much longer, and you're not going to be happy with the results.

As for the "oligarch reimbursement", that's total nonsense. Cohen was hired by Columbus Nova LLC, an *American* company and subsidiary of Renova, owned by Andrew Intrater, as a consultant. The conspiracy theory goes that since Intrater is a cousin of Victor Vekselberg owner of Renova, and since Renova lost money on the stock market when the U.S. put sanctions on Russia, it must've been *evil Russian Putinbucks!* whereas in reality chances are that Columbus Nova just wanted some consultation on how to operate effectively in Trump's America and Cohen, a lawyer nobody who deals with Trump's minor issues, happened to be available. There's nothing there, you're assigning guilt by association. You're so many levels removed from Trump it's not even funny - there's a porn actress getting money from a lawyer who's getting money from an American business that's getting money from a Russian business that's getting money from an oligarch who, presumably, is getting orders from Putin? Okay. Stormy must have grade-A pussy, or, more likely, you're getting wrapped up in tinfoil and red string.

 

[Xzi]

The Republican party is pretty split by Trump as he's not a politician and does what he thinks best for America and doesn't do what they want him to do. A lot of top players dislike him because of this. Everyone always talks about "draining the swamp", but when it happens they complain if it doesn't happen they complain and if nothing happens they complain.

Don't get it twisted, "top players" dislike Trump for the same reasons that most of us do. He's disorganized, lazy (at his golf resort resort most of the time), rude, unethical, and criminal. People warp this into "they hate him because he's different," but different is not a free pass to skirt the law. Clinton was impeached for a lot less than what Trump has done, and Obama would've been impeached for even a tenth of it (to paraphrase Flynn's comments on Hillary).

It's so incredibly entertaining that an investigation that, over the course of nearly 2 years, produced zero evidence of collusion has now completely divorced itself from attempting to prove any manipulation of the election results and is now more interested in Trump's personal dealings, including what kind of pussy he likes to grab.

Misleading. The financials of a Russian oligarch transferring money to Trump's lawyer have nothing to do with the personal aspects of this case, which will get plenty of air during the Stormy Daniels lawsuit.

It's going to be really funny when the charade is over and Mueller has to admit in front of the world that he didn't find a thing.

Holy shit are you ever dreaming. Even the Senate intelligence committee found evidence of collusion, and the scope/clearance of their investigation was nowhere near the level of Mueller's. The last few days have seen a lot more of the dominoes fall in this case and a lot more of the Trump-Russia connections are becoming clearer. Cambridge Analytica and the NRA are probably the most obvious among them.

 

[Viri]

Obama would've been impeached for even a tenth of it

How come Obama wasn't impeached for having the ATF smuggle a shit ton of guns to Mexico, and causing gang members to get high powered assault rifles. Or is that not 1/10th of the nono stuff Trump did? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Oh, and can someone tell me what the very first thing Obama invoked executive privilege on? I forgot.

 

[Foxi4]

Don't get it twisted, "top players" dislike Trump for the same reasons that most of us do. He's disorganized, lazy (at his golf resort resort most of the time), rude, unethical, and criminal. People warp this into "they hate him because he's different," but different is not a free pass to skirt the law. Clinton was impeached for a lot less than what Trump has done, and Obama would've been impeached for even a tenth of it (to paraphrase Flynn's comments on Hillary).

It's so incredibly entertaining that an investigation that, over the course of nearly 2 years, produced zero evidence of collusion has now completely divorced itself from attempting to prove any manipulation of the election results and is now more interested in Trump's personal dealings, including what kind of pussy he likes to grab.


Misleading. The financials of a Russian oligarch transferring money to Trump's lawyer have nothing to do with the personal aspects of this case, which will get plenty of air during the Stormy Daniels lawsuit.


Holy shit are you ever dreaming. Even the Senate intelligence committee found evidence of collusion, and the scope/clearance of their investigation was nowhere near the level of Mueller's. The last few days have seen a lot more of the dominoes fall in this case and a lot more of the Trump-Russia connections are becoming clearer. Cambridge Analytica and the NRA are probably the most obvious among them.

See post above. Trump will serve the rest of his term, and after that there's a fair chance he'll serve another 4 years. The sooner you come to terms with that the sooner you can start making America great again with the rest of us.

 

[Xzi]

How come Obama wasn't impeached for having the ATF smuggle a shit ton of guns to Mexico, and causing gang members to get high powered assault rifles. Or is that not 1/10th of the nono stuff Trump did? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Yes, it happened under Obama, but even your own link contradicts that Obama ordered the operation.

"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives"

As a matter of fact, these various gunwalking operations began under GWB and barely extended into Obama's first term:

"The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007."

See post above. Trump will serve the rest of his term, and after that there's a fair chance he'll serve another 4 years. The sooner you come to terms with that the sooner you can start making America great again with the rest of us.

In two years Trump will be a fucking potato. Like I said, removal for mental health reasons is likely if he's not removed for criminal charges. The sooner you accept that the swamp in DC is at the highest point it's ever been right now, the better. Oh, and by my count, it seems like you'd rather make Israel and Iran great again before having the first thought about any American citizen.

 

[the_randomizer]

I mean, the racist isn't going to convince others to be racist, and the others aren't going to convince the racist to not be racist, so in a sense, yeah. There's some discourse to be had while dancing around the subject, but it always comes up eventually.

Gee, I find that very comforting, no really. I should engage in civil political discussions more often, totally not in vain at all.

 

[cots]

See post above. Trump will serve the rest of his term, and after that there's a fair chance he'll serve another 4 years. The sooner you come to terms with that the sooner you can start making America great again with the rest of us.

I think he'll get reelected no problem. I'll vote for him again. The economy is doing so much better than what happened under Obama. I remember the Liberal sites reporting on "48,000" jobs were created this month, but Trump has the unemployed down to such a historic rate and they don't report on it - at all (at least not in their headlines like they did with Obama). There is more spending, people are making more money, more stores are opening - business is good. Hell, even people can afford to buy business jets again (I wish I was one of them). I watched a lot of stores close and watched one of my favorite stores become a ghost town (they had to sell off part of their parking lot to pay the bills). Now I go there are I have to wait in line and there are actually knowledgeable staff on hand (under Obama most were let go and they hired a bunch of morons to replace them). Some say this is the result of the Obama administration. That's wrong. The result of Obamas administration was clear for about 2 years after he left office. Trump is turning things around. The sooner the Liberals can accept this and stop fussing over his personal life maybe we can work together, but I doubt that will happen. Liberals believe things must be their way or no way at all. Reminds me of the leader of North Korea.

 

[Viri]

Yes, it happened under Obama, but even your own link contradicts that Obama ordered the operation.

"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives"

As a matter of fact, these various gunwalking operations began under GWB and barely extended into Obama's first term:

"The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007."

Uhu, and he let it go on until 2011, totally innocent, and 100% Bush's fault! Tell me once again, what was the very first thing Obama invoked executive privilege on, and why did he do it? Is this not 1/10 of all the nono stuff that FUCKING DRUMPF did?

 

[Xzi]

Uhu, and he let it go on until 2011, totally innocent, and 100% Bush's fault! Tell me once again, what was the very first thing Obama invoked executive privilege on, and why did he do it? Is this not 1/10 of all the nono stuff that FUCKING DRUMPF did?

It never should've happened, but it's stupid to blame GWB or Obama for it. These were ATF operations.

Gee, I find that very comforting, no really. I should engage in civil political discussions more often, totally not in vain at all.

It's never in vain as long as you're not talking to certain unsavory individuals. Most people are open to new ideas and viewpoints, some people just want to keep themselves inside their Fox/CNN bubbles.

 

[Viri]

It never should've happened, but it's stupid to blame GWB or Obama for it. These were ATF operations.

They allowed it to go on, and once again, can you tell me what the very first thing Obama invoked executive privilege on? And why did he do such a thing?

 

[the_randomizer]

It never should've happened, but it's stupid to blame GWB or Obama for it. These were ATF operations.


It's never in vain as long as you're not talking to certain unsavory individuals. Most people are open to new ideas and viewpoints, some people just want to keep themselves inside their Fox/CNN bubbles.

Well it sure as hell feels like it's in vain, because from what I see, no one ever wants to agree on anything.

 

[Xzi]

They allowed it to go on, and once again, can you tell me what the very first thing Obama invoked executive privilege on? And why did he do such a thing?

Honestly, you're being naive here. The CIA, ATF, and other US institutions have been selling/trading/giving away arms for decades, if not for a century now. If you think it's not going on under Trump right this moment, you're smoking some stronger shit than me. It's only a matter of if the public finds out about it.

Well it sure as hell feels like it's in vain, because from what I see, no one ever wants to agree on anything.

The point is never to agree on everything. The point is a reasoned discourse that can lead to a better understanding of each other's views and perhaps a common middle ground. It's getting harder as the right is moving further right and telling us that it's the left which has moved, though. "Alternative facts" might well be the ultimate downfall of the US.

The pendulum always swings back in American politics. Trump and the Republicans own everything right now, which means the checks and balances are not working as they should.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

*ignores rest of my point*
Has Clinton or Obama denounced alt-left leaders/groups (like Antifa?). Honestly, I don't care enough to argue with you when you don't even respond to the rest of my point, so I didn't do more than a quick google search about Clinton or Obama denouncing groups like Antifa, so if they have please inform me.

http://time.com/4259468/obama-trump-violence-rallies/

Not directly, but heavily implied

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And Clinton looked like an washed up pornstar who had a rough career. I'm glad that back-peddling bitch is not in office.

I'm sorry? Since when have we stooped to making fun of female politicians appearances? Why would you think that's ok?

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I'm not being misogynist,how dare you accuse me of such?

I'm sorry dude, but you can't say that one of your reasons for being glad a woman isn't in office is because she looks like a "washed-up pornstar" and then completely duck out of any criticism from the fallout. Even if you yourself are not misogynistic, that was an incredibly misogynist comment, and if you're parroting that from someone else you might want to reevaluate what role they play in your life

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DRUMPF FUCKED A PORN STAR 10 YEARS AGO, IMPEACH!

Bill Clinton was impeached for less

 

[Deleted User]

can't believe i need to read this political shit here too.

Hamas themselves said that 50 people that was killed belong to their group. they are terrorist that put guns on little children and force them to go to the border. hamas hide behind helpless people. leader Hamas himself said that they not doing harmless protests. they want to hurt us as much as possible. israel doing what every country will do in their situation. protecting themselves.
It's either them or us.
when they protest they shooting on us and puting improvised explosive devices near to the fence. they using their own pepole as a shield.
they have so many other country's to go to. we have only one small country. and this country is more free and democratic than any other muslim country in the world.
90% of the money we and the world send to gaza is going to hamas. and instead of using the money to make the life of the poor pepole in gaza better they buying wepons, bombs and missiles.
you all relying on what you hear in the news.
i live there and i was in the army and now my brother is in the army and i know some things that they won't tell you in the news.
for example did you know that Israel tried number of times to deliver Humanitarian aid to gaza but hamas didnt let them pass. other example: one poor palestinian came to the fence and said to our soldiers that hamas want pay him unless they shoot him in the legs. they didnt do it. there are many more examples you not going to hear. one final thing. if protests really was harmless we wouldn't kill a single person.