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REeeeeeeee! She was supposed to break the glass ceiling, you bigot! She did such a wonderful job as Secretary of State! It was her turn!

Oh yes, I'm a bigot because I didn't vote for Clinton? I had to be coerced into voting for only one party, and couldn't chose any other party, and I'm somehow a bigot? Sorry, but that's just a dick move to label me as such just
because I didn't vote the way the popular vote dictated. Clinton can go on a whiny bitchfest for all I care.
 

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REeeeeeeee! She was supposed to break the glass ceiling, you bigot! She did such a wonderful job as Secretary of State! It was her turn!
You flew right under his sarcasm detector, you have humour of mass distraction and I applaud you for that. I'm with Her, girl power, Pokemon Go-to-the-polls! Now, where's my delicious cruelty-free soy drink...
 

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And Clinton looked like an washed up pornstar who had a rough career. I'm glad that back-peddling bitch is not in office.
Well, we know pornstar wasn't an option for Trump from Stormy's account of things. Again though you're missing the point. If you can't criticize her based on her professional career, she was the better candidate regardless of comments on her looks and/or thinly-veiled misogyny. America should've been over the "better candidate to have a beer with" phase after GWB. It's not a president's job to be the friendly town drunk, for fuck's sake.
 
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Well, we know pornstar wasn't an option for Trump from Stormy's account of things. Again though you're missing the point. If you can't criticize her based on her professional career, she was the better candidate regardless of her looks and thinly-veiled misogyny.

I'm not being misogynist,how dare you accuse me of such? I didn't agree with her support of the TPP, I didn't like how she acted dumb and innocent with the whole "accidental" email scandal. I didn't like how she called anyone who didn't vote for her "deplorable", because apparently according to her, you can't vote for anyone else who doesn't agree with her policies. That was just a douche move on her part to assume that "vote for me or else I get to call you names", what an idiot. She tried to act cool by saying "Pokemon Go" vote during the election, wow, she can connect to other people trying to be hip, what an accomplishment. I don't like the vibe she gave me, I don't like how people who voted for her treat those who didn't vote for her like garbage. Who the hell is she to act like she and anyone who voted for her are somehow better than those who didn't vote for her? Seriously. I thought people were allowed to vote for whoever they wanted without the opposite parties being whiny crybabies and using insults, remind me why people can't accept others' opinions without going on a bitchfest again?

If people can't agree with other people in who they vote for without resorting to insults and lumping people together as a group without being an immature and inconsiderate douchebag, they all need to shut up and accept it and move on.

I may not like Hillary, but I don't go around yelling to everyone who voted for her and lumping them with epithets or ad hominem attacks, that's just a low blow and a again, a douchebag move to make. If you want to hate me and insult me solely based on what my views are and why I voted who I voted for, that's not my problem.
 
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Oh Jesus, not 30%?!?! Don't we increase our annual military budget by hundreds of percentage points nearly every year? Should every other country on Earth take that as a sign of aggression? This is ridiculous logic.
It's a good thing the U.S. has those bases there to keep the region stable, I dread to think what would've happened if you didn't. There are two ways to think about the world - way number one is that the United States, the country in charge of the largest military force in the world, should withdraw into its borders, just let things play out and then everything will be fine. This is patently false and has no historical precedent - if not for American intervention, I would either speak German or wouldn't be alive at all. On the flip side there also wouldn't be any Jews left, so technically you're correct - there would be no conflict in the middle east, besides the fights between Muslims themselves which have only lasted for what, a thousand years now? The alternative viewpoint to that is that we require American presence in the world in order to prevent countries adversary to the interests of the West, to freedom, democracy and liberty, from committing genocide, establishing trade blockades and terrorising us into non-existence. I'm a libertarian, I'm no fan of the government, but I'm not stupid enough not to realise that the latter view is correct, not the former.
 
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I'm not being misogynist,how dare you accuse me of such? I didn't agree with her support of the TPP, I didn't like how she acted dumb and innocent with the whole "accidental" email scandal. I didn't like how she called anyone who didn't vote for her "deplorable", because apparently according to her, you can't vote for anyone else who doesn't agree with her policies. That was just a douche move on her part to assume that "vote for me or else I get to call you names", what an idiot. She tried to act cool by saying "Pokemon Go" vote during the election, wow, she can connect to other people trying to be hip, what an accomplishment. I don't like the vibe she gave me, I don't like how people who voted for her treat those who didn't vote for her like garbage. Who the hell is she to act like she and anyone who voted for her are somehow better than those who didn't vote for her? Seriously. I thought people were allowed to vote for whoever they wanted without the opposite parties being whiny crybabies and using insults, remind me why people can't accept others' opinions without going on a bitchfest again?
Sure, there are plenty of things to nitpick about when it comes to Hillary, and she really was pretty bad at campaigning. Any flaw she might've had though, Trump also had, and usually worse. At this point he can barely string together two coherent sentences. We're going to have to remove him before 2020 for mental health reasons even if he's not removed on criminal charges. So do I think Hillary would've been perfect? Far from it. Do I think she'd have passed more than one item of legislation after two years in office and kept the US at a more stable place internationally? 100% yes.

I remember one of the biggest nitpicks for Hillary was that she was supposedly a "warhawk." Well look where we are with Trump now. The hypocrisy is unending.
 
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Sure, there are plenty of things to nitpick about when it comes to Hillary, and she really was pretty bad at campaigning. Any flaw she might've had though, Trump also had, and usually worse. At this point he can barely string together two coherent sentences. We're going to have to remove him before 2020 for mental health reasons even if he's not removed on criminal charges. So do I think Hillary would've been perfect? Far from it. Do I think she'd have passed more than one item of legislation after two years in office and kept the US at a more stable place internationally? 100% yes.

I remember one of the biggest nitpicks for Hillary was that she was supposedly a "warhawk." Well look where we are with Trump now. The hypocrisy is unending.

Okay, but do you think that one could ever express their political views/why they voted the way they did without someone on the opposite side of said views without name-calling, ad hominem attacks and going on a whiny bitchfest? Is that even remotely possible on the internet? Because if that never changes, what's the point in expressing views?
 

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Okay, but do you think that one could ever express their political views/why they voted the way they did without someone on the opposite side of said views without name-calling, ad hominem attacks and going on a whiny bitchfest? Is that even remotely possible on the internet? Because if that never changes, what's the point in expressing views?
I dunno, a big part of Trump's platform was the anti-PC stuff, aka "fuck your feelings." It's hard to have a civil discourse when one side believes people with racist/bigoted views should be able to spew their bile in public and not feel shamed for it.

I say forced DNA tests for everybody so people might realize we are all mixed and America truly is a melting pot. I'm a pale whitey, but even I'm 9% African. :lol:

It's a good thing the U.S. has those bases there to keep the region stable, I dread to think what would've happened if you didn't. There are two ways to think about the world - way number one is that the United States, the country in charge of the largest military force in the world, should withdraw into its borders, just let things play out and then everything will be fine. This is patently false and has no historical precedent - if not for American intervention, I would either speak German or wouldn't be alive at all. On the flip side there also wouldn't be any Jews left, so technically you're correct - there would be no conflict in the middle east, besides the fights between Muslims themselves which have only lasted for what, a thousand years now? The alternative viewpoint to that is that we require American presence in the world in order to prevent countries adversary to the interests of the West, to freedom, democracy and liberty, from committing genocide, establishing trade blockades and terrorising us into non-existence. I'm a libertarian, I'm no fan of the government, but I'm not stupid enough not to realise that the latter view is correct, not the former.
I get it. You can justify any US aggression worldwide under the flimsy excuse of "controlling terror." Problem is, anything can and will be labeled terror at some point. Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
 
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This is what you get when you only read about the subject on Liberal news sites. Why not trying to educate yourself from others sources too? Don't take one groups word on it or what you learned in grade school (as they have implemented various tactics in the past 30 years to indoctrinate children into their party). College is a good resource, make sure to read Republican sites too and try out community focused stuff like Wikipedia. My Sisters husband is Jewish and he is also a democrat, but he will go on and on about how Obama and Clinton screwed things up more and more. See, normal democrats have their own minds, but Liberals are just sheep (same for Alt-Right whereas normal Republicans aren't so extreme, but don't let CNN tell you that.)
 
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I dunno, a big part of Trump's platform was the anti-PC stuff, aka "fuck your feelings." It's hard to have a civil discourse when one side believes people with racist/bigoted views should be able to spew their bile in public and not feel shamed for it.

I say forced DNA tests for everybody so people might realize we are all mixed and America truly is a melting pot. :lol:

And just because he says that, everyone else somehow automatically feels that way? Really? Wow, it's good to know that just because on out of 300 million people thinks that way, everyone else who voted for him automatically thinks that way, gotcha. See, I was hoping that people could come to an understanding and speak with some level of civility, but as usual, I was wrong, what a shock. Time for me to GTFO, because clearly, a civil discussion while having opposing views on politics is nothing but a half-assed effort. Peace out.

What the hell is the point in even trying to be civil if people treat you like shit?
 
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And just because some people think that way, everyone else somehow automatically feels that way? Really? See, I was hoping that people could come to an understanding and speak with some level of civility, but as usual, I was wrong, what a shock. Time for me to GTFO, because clearly, a civil discussion while having opposing views on politics is nothing but a half-assed vain effort. Peace out.
I didn't say everyone feels that way, just that it's hard to have a discourse with those that do. It's a wall that's impossible to climb. My brother is an alt-right Trump supporter, so I'd know, I've tried to climb it several times.
 
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Ah, so there's no point in even engaging with those with opposing opinions/views, gotcha. Can't win, don't try. Ciao.
I mean, the racist isn't going to convince others to be racist, and the others aren't going to convince the racist to not be racist, so in a sense, yeah. There's some discourse to be had while dancing around the subject, but it always comes up eventually.
 

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I dunno, a big part of Trump's platform was the anti-PC stuff, aka "fuck your feelings." It's hard to have a civil discourse when one side believes people with racist/bigoted views should be able to spew their bile in public and not feel shamed for it.

People who still believe that racism and bigotry is still the way the majority of people act are not helping the situation. It's also pretty damn rude to call people "racist" and "bigot" without really knowing the definition and just repeating what you've read on ABC. Liberals preach equality, but they constantly try to control people and anyone who doesn't agree with them is at least called those words (not to mention people that lose their jobs, health care, housing, get targeted by the IRS for simply believing something different.) Sure, there are intolerable people all around us, but they are just a vocal minorities.
 
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Remember guys, black unemployment has reached historic lows, the economy is on the up and up, the Korean War seems to be winding down, tax reform has passed and people's wages are going up, the individual mandate has been repealed and we somehow didn't witness people dying en masse as a result, and now we need to depose the president as quickly as possible. He's clearly insane, this is the exact opposite of what we expected, which must mean that he's crazy.

See @Xzi, the thing here's what you don't understand about Trump - he's a package deal. I'm pretty sure he did sleep with that porn star, he's rude, he goes on rants on Twitter, he jumps between unrelated talking points when he's speaking, he's not "presidential" and he keeps firing people faster than he can hire new ones. People are okay with that because *we already knew that* when he started his campaign, we all watched The Apprentice, we all knew he was a playboy in the 90's, all of his flaws were immediately priced in because they were right there in the open.

That's not what Clinton was - her flaws are all the world's most poorly-kept secrets, everything she does or says comes across as shady, disingenuous, effectively robotic because we all know it's not her talking, it's just canned speech devised by a PR department somewhere. That, and her less-than-transparent charity, makes her come across as a fake cardboard cutout. Meanwhile, whenever Trump opens his mouth or tweets, you know that you've got a very brief insight into his mind, for better or for worse - the man can't shut up to save himself.

The only equivalent on your side is Bernie, but he's an actual old crazy person from Loonbagia, so his chances for election are about as good as those of the Lucky Charms leprechaun. I'm not even sure if he'll be alive come 2020, but to be fair, he's 569 years old as it is so anything can happen. As long as we supply him with pudding cups he might be alright.
 
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Sure, there are intolerable people all around us, but they are just a vocal minorities.
Indeed. The problem is that Trump gives them a larger platform to spread their hatred and convince themselves that they are the majority.

People are okay with that because *we already knew that* when he started his campaign, we all watched The Apprentice, we all knew he was a playboy in the 90's, all of his flaws were immediately priced in because they were right there in the open.
He paid a porn star hush money during the campaign. Russia did everything possible to assist in his election and hurt Hillary's chances. His flaws were not in the open, he just used his Alzheimer's to distract from the truly criminal and unethical behavior. And no, people certainly are not okay with all this, Trump's approval ratings are historical lows for the first two years in office. He gets 40% at best, usually closer to 30%. If he starts a war, even some of his supporters will abandon him, as he campaigned on a strictly "America first" nationalist platform.
 
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Indeed. The problem is that Trump gives them a larger platform to spread their hatred and convince themselves that they are the majority.

They aren't the majority. I mean, real Alt-Right wingnuts are rare, but very vocal. Alt-Right are like Neo Nazi's. I get sick of the media trying to say if you have Republican values that you are "alt-right". I don't like being compared to extremest that ignore the law, try to tell other people what to do, what to believe and hold in massive hatred inside of them. I grew up in a small farming town and mostly all of the farmers and their kids were pretty racist. We had maybe 3 black kids in our Middle School (none in Elementary). So I grew up believing that black people were inferior until I got older and realized that they weren't. If I would have only taken one sides word for it I would probably still dislike black people, but I opened my mind and learned other points of view. Normal democrats and republicans aren't so bad, it's a shame that the media focuses on the loud mouth, attention seeking, control freaks.
 
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People who still believe that racism and bigotry is still the way the majority of people act are not helping the situation. It's also pretty damn rude to call people "racist" and "bigot" without really knowing the definition and just repeating what you've read on ABC. Liberals preach equality, but they constantly try to control people and anyone who doesn't agree with them is at least called those words (not to mention people that lose their jobs, health care, housing, get targeted by the IRS for simply believing something different.) Sure, there are intolerable people all around us, but they are just a vocal minorities.
"Agree with me or you're a sexist, racist, bigoted homophobe who hates the disabled" is such a constant in modern political discourse that I've began to tune it out, like white noise. There's only so many times you can call someone all those things before these words lose all meaning, and they shouldn't because there are real bigots out there. Very few and very far between, but they're despised universally, by the left and the right. "Fuck your feelings" is an absolute necessity in this day and age, it's the only thing that can turn the tide of PC and actually allow us to have meaningful conversations without jumping at each other's throats. If we just agree from the outset that "how we feel" about things doesn't matter, we can move forward. If we don't, we'll just regress into more and more chaos. Your post really cheered me up, it's rare to see an actual moderate who'll look at both sides and use reason to determine what's likely to be true, try to distill what's really going on and make decisions based on that.
 
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They aren't the majority. I mean, real Alt-Right wingnuts are rare, but very vocal. Alt-Right are like Neo Nazi's. I get sick of the media trying to say if you have Republican values that you are "alt-right". I don't like being compared to extremest that ignore the law, try to tell other people what to do, what to believe and hold in massive hatred inside of them. I grew up in a small farming town and mostly all of the farmers and their kids were pretty racist. We had maybe 3 black kids in our Middle School (none in Elementary). So I grew up believing that black people were inferior until I got older and realized that they weren't. If I would have only taken one sides word for it I would probably still dislike black people, but I opened my mind and learned other points of view. Normal democrats and republicans aren't so bad, it's a shame that the media focuses on the loud mouth, attention seeking, control freaks.
Traditional Republicans are becoming a rare breed because the party was first co-opted by the Tea Party, and now it's been co-opted by Trump. The Republican party is losing all their values because Trump has no values. A majority of Evangelicals would continue to support him even if he fucked a cantaloupe on live TV. These people really have no shame or feel for hypocrisy any longer. I wish we could have the Republicans of the 90s back, even despite their flaws.
 
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