The End of Capitalism in Germany is here

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So I think we all can agree that capitalism is the cancer that is killing us and that democratic socialism is what we need to have.

Now, I can bring you the happy news. It is pretty much confirmed that Germany will get a coalition of the SPD (Socialdemocratic Party Germany), Die Linke (The Lefts) and Die Grünen (The Greens) in 2017. For those who don't know what that means, all these parties are socialistic-minded and want to save the country from the cancer that is called capitalism.

And I'm so sorry for America, they must endure either Hillary "I take money from Wallstreet" Clinton or Donald "I'm a literal retard" Trump. Bernie could've saved them, but sadly too many Americans are blinded by capitalism.

What do you think?
 

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For those who don't know what that means, all these parties are socialistic-minded and want to save the country from the cancer that is called capitalism.

That couldn't possibly be a more loaded post, could it? They're not socialist by any stretch, and capitalism doesn't have to be laisez-faire bullshit.
If it happens, and if they would quickly put an end to the current enrich the rich policies and decide for sane economic policy, they might still save the Euro and the EU.
Big ifs and big maybes, I still think it's too late.
 
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So I think we all can agree that capitalism is the cancer that is killing us and that democratic socialism is what we need to have.

Now, I can bring you the happy news. It is pretty much confirmed that Germany will get a coalition of the SPD (Socialdemocratic Party Germany), Die Linke (The Lefts) and Die Grünen (The Greens) in 2017. For those who don't know what that means, all these parties are socialistic-minded and want to save the country from the cancer that is called capitalism.

And I'm so sorry for America, they must endure either Hillary "I take money from Wallstreet" Clinton or Donald "I'm a literal retard" Trump. Bernie could've saved them, but sadly too many Americans are blinded by capitalism.

What do you think?

You have to take your country back because Merkel is turning your country into shit.
 
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So I think we all can agree that capitalism is the cancer that is killing us and that democratic socialism is what we need to have.
Care to explain? Also I don't think it's just as easy to SAY "hey guys waddup we have stopped capitilizm in Germany". It's a economical system. Something what the country depends on. Not just something you say to be gone and that's it.
 

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Germany doesn't really have a democracy. They SAY they listen to us and make changes with us, but in reality they just do what they want. And usually its against us. They make things much more expensive, they want more taxes, or they give much less money to old people that can't work anymore because of thier age. Its sad that you see over 80 year old men and women running around and collecting bottles and stuff, since they can't pay for thier house, food etc. . Its just terrible
 

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Capitalism is a must if you want to consider yourself (and your country) "free".
To an extent. If you go too far, you get to the point where you're "free to exploit others" if you're rich enough. Why else could Clinton and Trump be the actual presidential candidates? The core assumption behind capitalism is that people are smart enough to make correct decisions on their own, which isn't always the case. If you had the choice of buying a car for $30,000 that meets current safety regulations or buying an identical car for $20,000 which doesn't meet any safety regulations, you will buy the $20,000 car convinced you will never be in danger - and then you die in an accident that you would've been unharmed in with the $30,000 car.


It's all about striking the right balance, and always has been. And even then there may be circumstances that the party cannot control or are ill equipped to handle. Here in Alberta we kicked out the Conservatives after 40 years because they were getting pretty corrupt, and elected the NDP. Immediately after we got hit hard by the big drop in global oil price, which the NDP never anticipated or planned for. So now they have to reconsider the tax adjustments and social programs they were planing. I can't really verify how good of a job they are doing, and I doubt anyone else can. I'm fairly certain we will elect the Wild Rose Party next election, which we will then keep in power for decades until they start to get corrupt.
 
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From what I understand, Germany is part socialist, part capitalist, with the socialist part being weighted a little heavier. It's basically the opposite of America, where we are part capitalist, part socialist, with the capitalist part being heavily weighted

(I'm about to get a lot of hate mail for saying that America is a Social Capitalist country, aren't I?...)
 

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To an extent. If you go too far, you get to the point where you're "free to exploit others" if you're rich enough. Why else could Clinton and Trump be the actual presidential candidates? The core assumption behind capitalism is that people are smart enough to make correct decisions on their own, which isn't always the case. If you had the choice of buying a car for $30,000 that meets current safety regulations or buying an identical car for $20,000 which doesn't meet any safety regulations, you will buy the $20,000 car convinced you will never be in danger - and then you die in an accident that you would've been unharmed in with the $30,000 car.


It's all about striking the right balance, and always has been. And even then there may be circumstances that the party cannot control or are ill equipped to handle. Here in Alberta we kicked out the Conservatives after 40 years because they were getting pretty corrupt, and elected the NDP. Immediately after we got hit hard by the big drop in global oil price, which the NDP never anticipated or planned for. So now they have to reconsider the tax adjustments and social programs they were planing. I can't really verify how good of a job they are doing, and I doubt anyone else can. I'm fairly certain we will elect the Wild Rose Party next election, which we will then keep in power for decades until they start to get corrupt.
I agree with you, "to an extent" (as you put it). Another important aspect of capitalism is "free market" (I'll save myself the effort of explaining what it is in detail, as I'm sure you already know). It allows anyone, in any financial situation, to start a business, without government intervention. Not only that, but you can choose from a multitude of different stores/shops/businesses to purchase whatever it is you need - what's important to note here is that monopolies are disallowed as well.

Anyway, it seems you won this round. I can't seem to get my thoughts together right now.
(But what I was trying to say is, capitalism's advantages outweigh its disadvantages, in my opinion.)
 

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(I'm about to get a lot of hate mail for saying that America is a Social Capitalist country, aren't I?...)
No, there is definitely a socialist element right now. I personally believe very strongly that we need to get rid of it. Though based on some of your previous posts I'm guessing that you probably disagree with me on that :P
 

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No, there is definitely a socialist element right now. I personally believe very strongly that we need to get rid of it. Though based on some of your previous posts I'm guessing that you probably disagree with me on that :P
There's definitely a place for socialism, especially in the coming industry shifts (robotic workers, stuff like that)

I get both sides of the argument, though
 

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It doesn't matter what economic system your country has. Time and time again, history has proven that there will always be corruption, no matter what you do, no matter if you're capatilist, socialist, Maoist, or anything else. (Especially Maoist, did you see what those guys were doing?)

I can't speak for the current political state of Europe at all, and I CERTAINLY can't speak for any form of socialism. I do, however, think that even if socialist candidates were elected in Germany, very little would change. People are simply resistant to any sort of seismic change in general.

Shouldn't we be trying to get rid of that corruption instead of having our little circlejerk about governmental structure?
 
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