Some Democrats calling for Biden to stand down in 2024

[Dark_Ansem]

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... and?

 

[Aergisgeist]

This but on here. Like sure he's a good writer but I don't see how that relates to a thread about two incompetents running against each.other, who will inevitable ruin this country in different ways. Meanwhile people are terrified of voting third party because the media and neoliberals on twitter will tell you that every election is "the most important in history."

 

[TomSwitch]

Old thread comes alive because Biden is now too old?

What's different today is actually some old man has decided that Biden is too old. This powerful old man in the shadow wave his finger and now Biden is in trouble.

 

[Aergisgeist]

Joe Biden resurrection

 

[Xzi]

I don't see how that relates to a thread about two incompetents running against each.other, who will inevitable ruin this country in different ways.

Biden, or rather his team, has made some positive progress for this country. Trump got a million Americans killed with his COVID response and personally ordered the execution of Jeffrey Epstein to prevent his testimony.

Meanwhile people are terrified of voting third party because the media and neoliberals on twitter will tell you that every election is "the most important in history."

That's the case for every election from now on, since the shitweasels on the Supreme Court have decided that the president should have the power of a king. We know that Dems are too spineless to utilize that power for good, and that Republicans will not hesitate to use it for evil. Besides, no third-party candidate has ever stood a chance with FPTP voting. We'd have to switch to ranked choice before they'd be relevant.

 

[KingVamp]

Well, to be fair, not even the media could have known that there are people that instead of voting for better people, that they are intentionally chasing after the worse ones.

We'd have to switch to ranked choice before they'd be relevant.

I think approval or score voting will win out eventually. It is easier to explain and implement. It is also harder to repeal and complain about the voting system not being perfect, as if FPTP has been doing so well.

 

[TomSwitch]

Well, to be fair, not even the media could have known that there are people that instead of voting for better people, that they are intentionally chasing after the worse ones.

The worse one for their enemy? No doubt this number won't be small.

 

[KingVamp]

The worse one for their enemy?

Worse one for everyone.

 

[TomSwitch]

Worse one for everyone.

There is no such thing, there will always some who benefit for any situation, it's just they way nature works. As to how people behave there are variation. Some value their own benefit more than hurting enemy.

Plus a incapable president vs a selfish president is hard to say which is worst. Can say it's clearly better to have the selfish president when it comes to the nuclear button.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Biden, or rather his team, has made some positive progress for this country. Trump got a million Americans killed with his COVID response and personally ordered the execution of Jeffrey Epstein to prevent his testimony.


That's the case for every election from now on, since the shitweasels on the Supreme Court have decided that the president should have the power of a king. We know that Dems are too spineless to utilize that power for good, and that Republicans will not hesitate to use it for evil. Besides, no third-party candidate has ever stood a chance with FPTP voting. We'd have to switch to ranked choice before they'd be relevant.

I don't think it is a good idea to turn a blind eye for the failures of the Biden administration only because the Trump administration was worse. It really dulls your mind. Neither of the current candidates are up to the task. Also that "good" and "evil" classification seems out of a Disney movie, things are not black and white.

 

[TomSwitch]

I don't think it is a good idea to turn a blind eye for the failures of the Biden administration only because the Trump administration was worse. It really dulls your mind. Neither of the current candidates are up to the task. Also that "good" and "evil" classification seems out of a Disney movie, things are not black and white.

there is also woke vs not woke, when it comes to present day Disney it is WOKE WOKE WOKE ... WOKE in your face

neither extreme is good, Disney movie is about the fight vs evil white man since a very long time already. Since when was a protagonist in a Disney movie a straight white man?

 

[Xzi]

I don't think it is a good idea to turn a blind eye for the failures of the Biden administration only because the Trump administration was worse.

What failures, exactly? The Biden administration hasn't been as progressive as I would've wanted it to be, but there have still been a handful of successful policies and legislative victories implemented. Given that Congress has been split throughout his term, I think we have to be realistic about how much potential there actually was to be had during these last few years, too.

Also that "good" and "evil" classification seems out of a Disney movie, things are not black and white.

If you prefer, it's progress versus regress, or freedom versus authoritarianism. Any way you choose to frame it, it's at worst a net neutral outcome with four more years of a Democratic president, and at best a loss of only a few fundamental freedoms with four more years of Trumpian fascism. No matter who wins we have another January 6th-style event to look forward to, since those who incited it the first time around were never held accountable.

 

[TomSwitch]

No matter who wins we have another January 6th-style event to look forward to, since those who incited it the first time around were never held accountable.

Won't be surprised. Both sides are ready to do it. The extreme left is no better than the extreme right. Also won't be surprised that some not on the extreme may think they are protecting democracy.

 

[Xzi]

Won't be surprised. Both sides are ready to do it. The extreme left is no better than the extreme right. Also won't be surprised that some not on the extreme may think they are protecting democracy.

You cannot seriously be trying to put an "enlightened centrist" slant on modern American politics. The far-right (fascists and authoritarians) are the ones driving the Republican party now. Project 2025 is clear evidence of that, as if January 6th and recent SCOTUS rulings weren't evidence enough already. The far-left (Communists, Socialists, anarchists) do not support Biden or the Democratic party, as they understandably do not feel represented by it. It's a centrist party, and it's only because the Overton window has moved so far right in the US that anybody can convince themselves Dems are truly leftists. AOC and Bernie Sanders as close as they get, two politicians out of hundreds in the federal government, and ostracized even among their peers.

 

[Hanafuda]

I don't think it is a good idea to turn a blind eye for the failures of the Biden administration only because the Trump administration was worse. It really dulls your mind. Neither of the current candidates are up to the task. Also that "good" and "evil" classification seems out of a Disney movie, things are not black and white.

And I don't think it's a good idea to just go along with that premise. It's an assumption that Democrats all agree upon, but can't constitute in words other than hyperbole and lies. The Biden administration has wrecked average Americans' buying power with crippling inflation, cut the Strategic Petroleum Reserve almost in half to artificially depress gas prices for political effect (i.e. to influence the election) leaving its restoration and the cost/burden to some future administration, left $85 billion of weapons in Afghanistan (what a failure) for the Taliban, and has utterly failed at foreign policy with wars and threats of invasion happening all over the globe because American leadership is WEAK.

Three years ago, the Democrats pushed for $7.5 Billion dollars of taxpayer money to be spent on 500,000 public EV charging stations, as part of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. To date, NONE are in service. None. Where's the money? What infratructure has it built? They put up a bunch of these these unnecessary electric notification signs where I live, in the middle of fucking nowhere, just to spend the money. They're blank about 360 days out the year, occasionally they say "Slow down when road is wet." No shit.

Those things and a lot more can be demonstrated as evidence of how shitty Biden and the Democrats have governed. And there's plenty more. Xzi claims Trump killed a million Americans because of Covid. Setting aside that attributing deaths to Covid was financially incentivized and therefore was exaggerated, more Americans died of Covid in the first 11 months of Biden's Presidency, after the vax had already been rolled out, than did while Trump was President. And there's a whole lot of speculation required to accept putting the blame on ANYONE for how many actually died of Covid, but that doesn't stop them blaming Trump for 100%, and not looking at or for any other possible causes. (How about let's dig into Fauci & the US govt overseeing and funding gain of function research on coronaviruses in Wuhan, where it came from? Duh.)

Until Covid happened in early 2020, around the time Pelosi was telling her constituency to ignore it and come out and party in the streets of Chinatown and other Democrats were criticizing Trump as xenophobic for trying to limit travel to the US to keep it out (something just about every developed country ended up doing), the years 2017-2020 were damned good for Americans. No new wars, prices were low, no supply/demand fiascos, low unemployment across all demographics. I don't know what personal hell these people who insinuate terrible things happened were living in, but the real world was good.

I'm not saying Trump's Presidency was decidedly "better" ... that's my opinion though, and there are definite, factual events and numbers to support it. But, it's subjective, i.e. my opinion. What Xzi says, that's his opinion. He's entitled to it. But he's not entitled to it being swallowed as fact, here or anywhere else. Trump personally ordered the assassination of Epstein?? That's an outrageous claim, and would be an outrageous crime if proven. But it's just Xzi's imaginings, because there are no limits to the evil Trump can do, between Xzi's ears.

 

[TomSwitch]

And I don't think it's a good idea to just go along with that premise. It's an assumption that Democrats all agree upon, but can't constitute in words other than hyperbole and lies. The Biden administration has wrecked average Americans' buying power with crippling inflation, cut the Strategic Petroleum Reserve almost in half to artificially depress gas prices for political effect (i.e. to influence the election) leaving its restoration and the cost/burden to some future administration, left $85 billion of weapons in Afghanistan (what a failure) for the Taliban, and has utterly failed at foreign policy with wars and threats of invasion happening all over the globe because American leadership is WEAK.

Three years ago, the Democrats pushed for $7.5 Billion dollars of taxpayer money to be spent on 500,000 public EV charging stations, as part of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. To date, NONE are in service. None. Where's the money? What infratructure has it built? They put up a bunch of these these unnecessary electric notification signs where I live, in the middle of fucking nowhere, just to spend the money. They're blank about 360 days out the year, occasionally they say "Slow down when road is wet." No shit.

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Those things and a lot more can be demonstrated as evidence of how shitty Biden and the Democrats have governed. And there's plenty more. Xzi claims Trump killed a million Americans because of Covid. Setting aside that attributing deaths to Covid was financially incentivized and therefore was exaggerated, more Americans died of Covid in the first 11 months of Biden's Presidency, after the vax had already been rolled out, than did while Trump was President. And there's a whole lot of speculation required to accept putting the blame on ANYONE for how many actually died of Covid, but that doesn't stop them blaming Trump for 100%, and not looking at or for any other possible causes. (How about let's dig into Fauci & the US govt overseeing and funding gain of function research on coronaviruses in Wuhan, where it came from? Duh.)

Until Covid happened in early 2020, around the time Pelosi was telling her constituency to ignore it and come out and party in the streets of Chinatown and other Democrats were criticizing Trump as xenophobic for trying to limit travel to the US to keep it out (something just about every developed country ended up doing), the years 2017-2020 were damned good for Americans. No new wars, prices were low, no supply/demand fiascos, low unemployment across all demographics. I don't know what personal hell these people who insinuate terrible things happened were living in, but the real world was good.

I'm not saying Trump's Presidency was decidedly "better" ... that's my opinion though, and there are definite, factual events and numbers to support it. But, it's subjective, i.e. my opinion. What Xzi says, that's his opinion. He's entitled to it. But he's not entitled to it being swallowed as fact, here or anywhere else. Trump personally ordered the assassination of Epstein?? That's an outrageous claim, and would be an outrageous crime if proven. But it's just Xzi's imaginings, because there are no limits to the evil Trump can do, between Xzi's ears.

Who is sponsoring war ? Trump or Biden ? Who is better for world peace? I think at least hope for end to Ukraine war is better with Trump ? Don't know about the other one.

 

[Hanafuda]

 

[Xzi]

The Biden administration has wrecked average Americans' buying power with crippling inflation, cut the Strategic Petroleum Reserve almost in half to artificially depress gas prices for political effect (i.e. to influence the election) leaving its restoration and the cost/burden to some future administration, left $85 billion of weapons in Afghanistan (what a failure) for the Taliban, and has utterly failed at foreign policy with wars and threats of invasion happening all over the globe because American leadership is WEAK.

Disingenuous bullshit. The president has no control over greedflation, and I don't see how Trump sucking off the corporate sector is going to fix it, either. Moreover, Trump left office with a 14.5% unemployment rate, it's now down to less than 4% under Biden. The economy is objectively far better off now than four years ago, and Dems are always elected to fix it after Republicans fuck it up.

Hamas' attack on Israel was Netanyahu's failing, and he's a Trump ally. As is Putin, who the US will be rolling over for if Trump re-elected. Foreign policy doesn't get any weaker than allowing a dictator to annex one of our allies.

the years 2017-2020 were damned good for Americans. No new wars, prices were low, no supply/demand fiascos, low unemployment across all demographics.

In other words, the Trump administration accomplished absolutely nothing in that span of time except coasting on the Obama economy. He spent more than $7 trillion dollars, more than any one-term president in history, and the American people had nothing to show for it. All embezzled and laundered away. Then when it inevitably came time to actually do the important work, he was MIA. Spent half of each day sleeping, and the other half golfing. Meanwhile cops were murdering people over twenty dollar disputes on his watch.

I don't believe that Trump himself, dementia-addled as he is, would be any more effective or efficient in his second term than he was in his first. It's the fascist sycophants he surrounds himself with that would be a serious problem for this country. Project 2025 would be the end of our constitution and our democratic republic.

 

[Hanafuda]

The president has no control over greedflation

I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to Milton Friedman then. The government as a whole, Congress and the President, are the only cause of inflation. Pumping trillions of funny money onto the streets with no actual value backing it up, just more debt, is what causes it.

 

[TomSwitch]

RFK for president anyone ?