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Some Democrats calling for Biden to stand down in 2024

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I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to Milton Friedman then. The government as a whole, Congress and the President, are the only cause of inflation. Pumping trillions of funny money onto the streets with no actual value backing it up, just more debt, is what causes it.
Need I repeat myself? Trump spent more than any one-term president in history, and far too much of it went to PPP loans for corporate entities and rich individuals who did not at all need the extra money. Biden's stimulus package was a fraction of the cost, and clearly did have some effect in restoring the economy to a functional state, otherwise we'd still be dealing with unemployment in the double-digits.

Besides, Friedman is wrong. There have been a number of studies done on this, and even in cases where products do not cost any more to manufacture than they did previously, prices have still gone up, and package sizes have still gotten smaller. Greedflation is real.

RFK for president anyone ?
Might as well cut out the middleman and vote for the brain worm.
 
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Trump spent more than any one-term president in history


There was too much spending during Trump's Presidency, no doubt about that.


But spent more than any one-term President?

Per investopedia, at the end of 2016, the national debt was $19.5 trillion

At the end of 2020, it was $26.9 trillion.

i.e. 7.4 trillion in 4 years.

At the end of 2023, it was $33.2 trillion.

That's another $6.3 trillion, in only 3 years. Another whole year left to go. (According to statista.com, it was already at 34.5 trillion in May)

Both have abysmal records on this issue.
 

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Milton Friedman was a greedy lunatic who spoke exclusively for the most wealthy people on earth during his era. His policies have been thoroughly tried and tested, they have been the primary economic policy in America for about 50 years now. They have failed catastrophically. Or if we are being honest, they are functioning exactly as he intended, for the benefit of the few people they were created to benefit. They're why we're in this mess in the first place. Deregulation, privatization, union busting, abolition of workers rights and protections, dismantling of environmental protections, opposing antitrust laws, staunch opposition to any sort of social safety net (social security, medicare etc), tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes for the poor etc etc. He was the person who put all of these ideas into an economic manifesto that was intended to be sold to the general population. They were, are and always will be fucking stupid. There are only two kinds of people who consider them to be good. Brainless morons, and the ultra wealthy endlessly greedy few for whom his policies were created to benefit. Every single implementation of his policies have led inevitably to financial collapse.

The policies of John Maynard Keynes were what functioned as the foundation for most first world economies during the mid 1930s up to the 1970s (and outside of the US, most other first world countries still attempt to operate with at least some of his policies, and they remain popular when functioning properly). He realized that markets were innately unstable and corrupt when left unchecked. He advocated healthy regulation, and these regulations were what allowed the US to return to a more stable economic state following the Depression and World War II (along with a growing number of public programs to allow the lower classes a leg up). Until the greed at the very top of these markets took control of the government and began to rapidly dismantle these policies starting in the 70s and 80s. Both parties share the blame in this mess, the GOP however are worse by a country mile.

The inflation we're seeing right now has nothing whatsoever to do with government intervention. It is in fact the lack of government intervention that has caused it. There no longer exist any reasonable market regulations to prevent corporations from endlessly raising prices.
 
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There no longer exist any reasonable market regulations to prevent corporations from endlessly raising prices.

Not saying I agree with all that you wrote, but if the above is true, what have the Democrats done with the last three years to fix it? Besides depleting the Strategic Petroleum Reserve? (which is just more spending, though not accounted for in the debt numbers ... how much does 300 million barrels of oil cost?)
 
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There was too much spending during Trump's Presidency, no doubt about that.


But spent more than any one-term President?

Per investopedia, at the end of 2016, the national debt was $19.5 trillion

At the end of 2020, it was $26.9 trillion.

i.e. 7.4 trillion in 4 years.

At the end of 2023, it was $33.2 trillion.

That's another $6.3 trillion, in only 3 years. Another whole year left to go. (According to statista.com, it was already at 34.5 trillion in May)

Both have abysmal records on this issue.
I'm not against government spending in any/all forms, of course. Context is important, it's what the money is being spent on that matters most. If it reaches the pockets of the working poor and middle class, that money circulates back into the economy, as it gets spent on necessities. When it goes to corporations and the rich, it gets stashed in foreign bank accounts to evade US taxes. Student loan forgiveness is a good thing which does not cause long-term inflation, PPP loan forgiveness is a bad thing which does cause long-term inflation.
 

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Not saying I agree with all that you wrote, but if the above is true, what have the Democrats done with the last three years to fix it? Besides depleting the Strategic Petroleum Reserve?
I will preface this by saying that I do not believe the Democrats would advocate strongly for a return to Keynesian economic policies either, regardless of the circumstances. They have again helped kill off such policies over the past 50 years because they also take major donations from corporations and dabble in market investment just as the GOP does. They're just far less extreme about it and will occasionally throw a bone to the middle/lower classes when they feel the need.

However, in regards to the past four years, there's little to nothing they could have done even if they wanted. New regulations (or a restoration of previously gutted regulations) would require legislation via the house and senate to be implemented. The Supreme Court are also becoming far more active in helping to strike down Democrat-supported legislation and executive orders.

The House of Representatives currently features a minor GOP majority, and the Dems only have a scarce two-vote majority in the senate (three with the VP). And unfortunately several Democratic senators have frequently sided with the GOP on a number of things (both social and economic). Especially Manchin and Sinema, but a handful of others have even crossed the line to help the GOP. There is nearly complete gridlock in the House. Their GOP speaker can prevent any bill from even being brought to a vote if he doesn't want it, and complete control over what is included. One of their speakers already got ousted for attempting to work out a bipartisan deal with the Democrats (and they attempted to oust the current guy for the same thing). Even though in this case, the "bipartisan" deal was just a routine bill to provide basic government funding and preventing a shutdown.

Even if they miraculously passed a bill with good economic policy in the House, it would then go to the senate. The filibuster would then be employed. Any senator can invoke it, and it automatically raises the required majority to 60. The Dems only have 52 votes at best.

Biden has still attempted to use his executive power and influence, with mixed success due to court obstruction. He has been a strong ally of Union negotiation. He has also ordered student loan forgiveness as well. However the student loan case has also demonstrated how his hands are tied as there have been legal challenges. Though he has explored different avenues to bypass this.
 

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I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to Milton Friedman then. The government as a whole, Congress and the President, are the only cause of inflation. Pumping trillions of funny money onto the streets with no actual value backing it up, just more debt, is what causes it.


Greedflation is, first and foremost, because Reagan and every other government let them go unchecked
 
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No but you should vote for him if he makes you happy
The guy who is rumoured to eat dogs and a rapist? Yup
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He will make a lot of rich people and corporation unhappy. I fear if he get too close he too might be assassinated like his father and uncle.
He's a puppet in the pocket of his betters exactly like trump.
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The only one who is reasoning in this whole debacle is Fetterman.
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He will make a lot of rich people and corporation unhappy. I fear if he get too close he too might be assassinated like his father and uncle.
I'm not familiar with his economic theory, where does he stand in comparison to Joe bidens "do nothing" ideas
He is against the corporation taking over the regulatory agency. Big money would want him dead.
He's lying. Recall that Trump also frequently pretended to be against the corporate elite on the 2016 campaign trail to sucker idiots into voting for him. RFK Jr is the same, even his own leftist family hates him and considers him a fraud. One example is his so-called "climate friendliness", where in actuality he takes large sums of money from big oil and gas corporations.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/25/rfk-jr-family-trust-oil-gas-00148846

He has also received big money from wealthy Republican donors. Even the Heritage Foundation has given him positive coverage. This is the collection of far right people behind Project 2025. He's also admitted he has brain damage and is a massive conspiracy theorist, so there's every chance that he'd turn out very similar to Trump.

Without ranked choice voting, third parties have absolutely zero ability to win in the US. RFK Jr votes will only serve to siphon some of the support away from either Biden or Trump, harming whichever candidate he takes more support from while helping the other. However, I suspect whatever scarce amount of support he might receive would probably be from the rare anti-Trump Republicans out there. So he'd *probably* harm Trump more than Biden. In which case, maybe a few votes for RFK Jr wouldn't be that terrible. Better that Trump gets support siphoned from him than Biden (or whoever the Dem ends up being). :P

Incidentally, even factoring in all of his other issues, his voice alone would sink any candidate's hopes of winning. While I do not believe this is a valid argument against him as a human being nor does it have any relevant to my opposition to him, it is nevertheless a disability that innately prevents him from winning. So again the most he could ever do is spoil the election for someone else. Hopefully Trump if it comes to that. But I doubt he'll be a significant factor anyway, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were much bigger players in 2016 than RFK Jr. And they didn't move the needle either.
 
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If I thought someone was the best choice for the job, I would still pick them even with such a voice. That said, I would still prefer that person picking someone for most speaking roles.
 

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MFr hasn't been ok for a long time. For those of you that have noticed, good on you. Those that haven't have had the wool pulled over their eyes. In fact Biden's spoke person Karine Jean-Pierre Van-Damme is the biggest gas lighter in history. I worry about her mental health, that poor person.
 

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The longer Biden doesn't resign the better it is for the world because Trump will end the funding for Ukraine when he's re-elected in November and there's less chance we will all be killed by a nulear war. because the more the spot light is on Biden now, the more that public get to see how they have been gaslight by the media. Then just before the election Harris will be top of the ticket and because nobody likes her so they won't even bother voting. It's win/win situation for president Trump (and the world) no matter how things play out now in the Biden camp.

I'll sit back with my popcorn and watch now while things keep imploding in the Biden camp.
 

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Trump will end the funding for Ukraine when he's re-elected in November and there's less chance we will all be killed by a nulear war.
If Putin was going to launch nukes he would've done it by now. The Ukraine invasion was supposed to last less than a week. All bark and no bite, anybody still quaking in their boots over Russia's paper-thin military capabilities is an idiot. Fuck that dictator and the cowards who insist we appease him.
 
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