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Some Democrats calling for Biden to stand down in 2024

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Yea. The system is a complete mess. I really liked Yang in 2020 and his talk of Choice ranking, but he's now fallen off since he failed in his Mayoral run for NYC, last I saw he was shilling about some Web3 crypto type stuff. Maybe he's back to being normal now. It's just all really gross the way this country is run and how we just have to deal with it, because there's no way the Dems or Reps will let the system change if they can
 
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Well what do you know, this was very accurate

https://www.rawstory.com/media-biden-debate/?s=09
The New York Times were also exposed for the same thing recently. NYT chairman AG Sulzberger was outed by one of their own journalists for ordering the publication to produce constant negative coverage and opinion pieces about Biden. Reason being that Biden had been rejecting requests from the NYT to do interviews. Yes they are that petty. Though it's also true that there are now a lot of far right executives in general controlling that publication (same is now true of CNN). This also gave life to the NYT Pitchbot account.



The NYT also posted an opinion piece on July 4th titled "Why I Don't Vote" which proceeds to go into a dialog trying to convince other people not to do so as well. The author as it turns out DOES in fact vote, people did a bit of research on him. He voted in 2020 and 2022. He was also discovered to be a member of one the main groups behind January 6th. The twitter thread exposing this shit was wild to say the least...



Regardless of the constant negative reporting, it's probably too late to fix any of this. With or without the media circus making things 100x worse, Biden would still be in trouble just due to his poor debate performance, but also other appearances as well. And that media circus isn't going to stop, they've seen blood and are latched on until the bitter end. Public perception is everything, and party leaders are terrified by what they've seen and are pushing hard for a replacement.

I'm personally more nervous by the idea of a replacement than staying the course with Biden. My opinion isn't a factor in this matter for the record and it's looking likely at this point that they will in fact dump him (though anything can change at any moment). But IMO, there's a very good chance this will make things far worse. First of all you've got all the obvious traditional issues. Loss of candidate momentum and exposure, loss of the incumbency advantage, weaknesses in the party exposed, infighting over who should be the pick, anger from some that their guy was kicked out etc. There's a reason why primaries are held earlier in the process so that all of this infighting is dealt with and people's emotions can cool off and everyone can come together.

It's critically important to note that the media are not going to go any easier on Democrats if they replace Biden. Good chance it will get far worse in fact. The media were not attacking Biden's age and mental competence because they actually cared about those issues. That much is absolutely clear when you look at all the deranged shit Trump does that they don't push back on. They are attacking Biden because it's a ratings winner to do so, they also want Democrats to lose the election in November because the drama a Trump win could cause will amp these ratings up 100x. With a new Dem candidate, the media loses the age angle. But dozens of new and potentially even more damaging avenues of attack will be made available instead. And you can be damn sure they'll feast on it.
 
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Biden would still be in trouble just due to his poor debate performance, but also other appearances as well.
It's impossible to outdo trump. If you people are letting one evening change your judgement of him, then you're hopeless.

And changing him now would be a massive sign of weakness.
 

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You're right I would never base a decision about a person on how they acted on one night. I've been forming my opinion of Joe Biden for about 40 years.
Yes yes we all know your doublethink and doublespeak pitfalls and the self-delusions you need to justify your existence.
 

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Yes yes we all know your doublethink and doublespeak pitfalls and the self-delusions you need to justify your existence.
I'm curious what you mean, is it wrong to base your opinion of someone on 40 years of their work up to the current time? Most people I'm friends with that voted Biden never liked him to begin with, he was never a great politician. I'm convinced people only remember him for his time as Obamas VP which was the least negative time for him as a politician, yet still pretty sad.
 

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Flagged as manipulated? Really?

I'm curious what you mean, is it wrong to base your opinion of someone on 40 years of their work up to the current time? Most people I'm friends with that voted Biden never liked him to begin with, he was never a great politician. I'm convinced people only remember him for his time as Obamas VP which was the least negative time for him as a politician, yet still pretty sad.
First of all, I don't particularly have an attachment to any if them. It's always about the least irritating or pernicious. Secondly, specifically to that user, he's well known here for his misdirection and disingenuous "arguments"
 

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First of all, I don't particularly have an attachment to any if them. It's always about the least irritating or pernicious. Secondly, specifically to that user, he's well known here for his misdirection and disingenuous "arguments"

You just get triggered by differing opinions too easily.

And there's nothing manipulated about that video except obviously someone added the music. It happened just like that.
 
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He's not showing "the full clip" either, but that's the first I've seen of at least a snippet of what happened after. It looks like he got sent back through that line of people for a "re-do," because in the video where he doesn't even look at her he's moving left to right. In the clip where he hugs her, he's moving right to left. It's a second pass. I'm glad she or someone finally got his attention. But he did blow right by her on first encounter.

I concede this one though. I didn't know. I have a cold. Or jetlag or something. Thanks.
 
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remember how a month ago the media say Biden was fine and people were making stuff up? LOL
remember today when it came out that all CEO media in US are trump donors? LOL x2
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You just get triggered by differing opinions too easily.

And there's nothing manipulated about that video except obviously someone added the music. It happened just like that.
It must be amazing to be undeterred despite being wrong all the time. Your conscience is non-existent.
 
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It must be amazing to be undeterred despite being wrong all the time. Your conscience is non-existent.

Wrong? What happened in the video I posted did happen. And TIL there's more video where he walks past all those same people a second time, moving in the opposite direction and pretending like he didn't just touch hands and hug them all already (except that girl) just moments before. Just politics.

But I conceded that I was unaware of him taking that second pass and that she got a hug that time.

And FWIW, has nothing to do with my opinion of Biden. 40 years, remember? Well, about 37 years to be more precise. The sludge that came out about Biden in '87 was enough for me. His slimy consistency ever since has only reinforced that opinion.

And, like you, I'm not "on board" with Trump as a candidate either. I'll be voting against someone this fall, not for someone.
 

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Wrong? What happened in the video I posted did happen. And TIL there's more video where he walks past all those same people a second time, moving in the opposite direction and pretending like he didn't just touch hands and hug them all already (except that girl) just moments before. Just politics.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware he was forced to embrace everybody, or anybody at all.
And, like you, I'm not "on board" with Trump as a candidate either. I'll be voting against someone this fall, not for someone.
Then this is the second time we agree on something, because voting against is pretty much all I've done my political life.
 
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If those people were really worried about the cognition of candidates, they would be worried about the "I didn't have sex with a porn star" pathological liar that they are somehow still supporting.
 
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If those people were really worried about the cognition of candidates, they would be worried about the "I didn't have sex with a porn star" pathological liar that they are somehow still supporting.
I believe all rational people are worried about both of them.
 
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