Gaming Sold a bunch of Wii U games to get a PS4. Anyone feeling same?

[aofelix]

1. Universal controller support? XBOX 360 is pretty much supported on every major game which ANYONE with half a brain can install a driver for. The fact you don't own a PC just shows how ill informed your questions/comments are. Its literally plug and play with the xbox 360 remotes. PS4 dual shock remotes require a quick driver install and you're ready to go. Wii motes require you to sync using the bluetooth dongle. Its THAT easy.

Setting up the drivers can be a tiny bit difficult for someone who can't use google or is dumb. And for those dumb people, get a console.

2. Yes but the compromise is basically a question of: do you want slightly better graphics than a PS4/XBOX one/Wii U or WAY better graphics? Hardly a bad compromise comparatively.

3. I have to agree and disagree. There is no guarantee they will work excellently but they'll always work equal to or better than console variants. The problem you're not talking about is will games always work well with consoles? We're ALREADY seeing horrible frame rate drops on PS4 and XBOX one which PCs aren't dealing with. I'd be more concerned with my 30fps or below on a PS4 than if that will occur with a PC. Adding insult to injury, these two systems sometimes can't even output 1080p which PCs can! And those that do have 1080p don't have tessellation etc. Its really no contest in this department.

4. No, not really. Why would you want a newer processor for gaming? If you buy smartly, a haswell processor should last you a very very long time. The only thing you'd need to upgrade is your graphics card and thats ONLY if you want to stay at the top of the gaming PC jerk off of ultimate super graphics. Otherwise I could probably stick with a GTX 970 for a good 3-4 years and have my games perform better than the PS4/XBOX1 variants. With a console you're compromising for the next 7 years. Graphics and processing power WILL progress but with a console, you're stuck with the mainstream consumer standard whilst PCs give you the option to either stick with what you have or join in with the amazing jumps in technological and graphical fidelity.


You keep talking about newer hardware but do you realise that the alternatives you're talking about have NO way in hell of getting or incorporating these as effectively? You're basically arguing PS4/XBOX ones lack of upgradability against a PC's upgradability and deciding that the PCs have a negative.

A PS4/XBOX one will NEVER offer you 4k gaming. My PC with a quick graphics card switch in 2-3 years WILL offer me 4k gaming. Thats IF I want it. Otherwise I can just be happy with playing 1080p/60fps whilst the PS4/XBOX1 continue to slug on.

Can you still not understand the reasons for? I can understand the reasons for and against. they're pretty obvious.

 

[WiiCube_2013]

2015 is looking to be PS4's solid year of exclusives so I think I'll be getting one around this time or later.

Games that should be released for PS4:
- The Getaway 3
- The Last Guardian
- Heavenly Sword 2

 

[Mario92]

This has gone to consoles vs. PC war which will never end and I'm mostly sure that both parties are aware of both sides positives and negatives at this point.
But I would like to add that controller support is actually pretty decent nowdays. Steam even lists now which games have controller support. There's almost quaranteed way to make controller work directly with game, nowdays almost every game supports Xinput so there's always tutorial how to make controller work as Xinput device. x360ce was my best friend when I only had Logitech Rumblepad available.

With Linux things are actually even better, just talked to one steam friend who said that Transistors Linux version actually uses Dualshock 4s LED out of the box! Controllers generally have better support as they won't have to be just Xinput like with Windows most of the time. Then we talked about consoles and he stated he has never owned an console and has always played with PC - that's another side I can't understand as many of the best gaming experiences I've had has been on console side.

Maybe I won't be getting PS4 anytime soon, but Dualshock 4 definitely sounds really neat investment. Pro Controller was really good deal as I can use it with PS3 and PC as well.

A PS4/XBOX one will NEVER offer you 4k gaming. My PC with a quick graphics card switch in 2-3 years WILL offer me 4k gaming. Thats IF I want it. Otherwise I can just be happy with playing 1080p/60fps whilst the PS4/XBOX1 continue to slug on.

Never say never. Just bought brand new game to my PS3 and it runs native 1080p with steady 30 FPS and something like Rayman Legends runs 1080p and 60 FPS. I'm sure many, especially 2D and indie games, will be 4K capable when it's more of a thing so they can support it better. Also liking the fact that games has realized they can render some elements on TVs native resolution and then simply render 3D elements bit lower and even switch 3D rendering resolution on fly. I would however hope they would implement those features on PC versions as well to make them play better on lower end rigs.

Also Nintendo has proved it's not always about raw horsepower. Smash is running almost solid 60 FPS on 3DS even with stereoscopic 3D enabled:

Making games look like colorful games instead of ultra realistic would also be really nice so we wouldn't have to aim for eye candy all the time.

 

[mightymuffy]

4K is a white elephant anyway.... you're gonna need a good 66" display to see any real benefit of 4K over 1080p, and a screen of that size is just impractical for a good share of households in the first place, never mind talking about the expense involved... granted you'll get improvement when used as a monitor at smaller sizes, viewing at point blank range etc, but even then 1440p is considered the sweet spot.... I'll agree with 'da PC master race' above in that 4K and 'PS4one' won't mix, but for 90%+ of us it doesn't soddin matter anyway....

OP: Fine decision anyway! I'm perhaps a bit of a rich pig that's got all 3 consoles (plus more powerful PC), and while the PS4 is currently getting the least play time out of the 3 consoles in my house, 2015 certainly looks like being its year (bouyed by yesterdays presentation!) - some real quality titles! Selling Wind Waker HD might have been rough, but there's always the GC version on vWii via Nintendont....
You like driving games? Well it's a shame DriveClub has turned out to be a bit of a damp squib, but it's good enough on its own merit (and you don't have Horizon 2 to compare it to which is good news!) so should definitely keep you entertained coming from playing just NFS Most Wanted. The Crew has its moments but gawd do you have to find them in between all the shite that thing's come packaged with..... Avoid NFS Rivals like the plague though - that's only any good in 60fs on a PC .....fukks sake, now I'M doing the Master Race bollocks......

 

[TripleSMoon]

2015 is looking to be PS4's solid year of exclusives so I think I'll be getting one around this time or later.

Games that should be released for PS4:
- The Getaway 3
- The Last Guardian
- Heavenly Sword 2

I'm not so sure about The Last Guardian. We haven't heard anything about it in what, at least two years? If it was releasing next year, I think they'd have mentioned it more recently, along with at least a vague 2015 release date.

 

[shinkodachi]

1. Universal controller support? XBOX 360 is pretty much supported on every major game which ANYONE with half a brain can install a driver for. The fact you don't own a PC just shows how ill informed your questions/comments are.

Reading could help, I said this in this very thread:

Frankly, I prefer to play with gamepads / controllers and I've found the PC side to lack universal support for that. You can play around with drivers and configurations, or you could buy an Xbox 360 controller that has decent support in most games, but why go through the trouble when on a console you just pop in the disc and play?

2. Yes but the compromise is basically a question of: do you want slightly better graphics than a PS4/XBOX one/Wii U or WAY better graphics? Hardly a bad compromise comparatively.

You said before that your PC hardly affects electricity bill, but have you thought about whether all people have the same luxury? I don't. Show me a PC configuration that never exceeds 33W power consumption while playing a game on par with the Wii U: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-is-the-green-console. To me, building a PC with equal computing power as the Wii U at much higher power consumption is a compromise.

3. I have to agree and disagree. There is no guarantee they will work excellently but they'll always work equal to or better than console variants.

I'm not concerned with which version of a 3rd party multiplatform game is the best. If I was, I'd have to buy all consoles and a PC. I'm putting my faith into Nintendo as I chose the Wii U this time, just as I chose the PS3 before it.

A PS4/XBOX one will NEVER offer you 4k gaming. My PC with a quick graphics card switch in 2-3 years WILL offer me 4k gaming. Thats IF I want it. Otherwise I can just be happy with playing 1080p/60fps whilst the PS4/XBOX1 continue to slug on.

That I'm not interested in highest quality graphics should've been obvious. What I see in your argument is: if a console breaks, you just buy another and your games will all work the same. If your PC breaks (for whatever reason), you will have a hard time sourcing exactly the same components as from 3-4 years ago. If you decide to go with new internals (a more than viable option), you will have to be careful in the components you choose to ensure everything works as it should. You don't have the peace of mind of something that just works. That was my point.

I want to say something: I don't mind this consoles vs. PC debate in this thread. I started this thread, I let it go this far, but I don't mind it. A healthy discussion is good, but this isn't a healthy discussion. If you want to add to this debate, feel free to leave me a PM. I stand by my point and we have to agree to disagree if you have a problem with that. I never said anything disrespectful towards you, so I can't say I want to continue arguing when, as you put it, "ANYONE with half a brain" can see this has become personal. And I don't want it to be personal. Thanks.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Can we please stop all this "MUH PC MASTER RACE!" bullshit. I already stated the appeal of console gaming several times in this forum, I don't want to hear PC gamers stroking themselves about how their $1000+ machine can do anything from output 4K to Skype call Valhalla. I don't give a shit.

I spent $400 on my PS4. I don't need a heavy duty PC for normal stuff and I'm not going to spend a lot of gaming. I'm so glad you can spend $1000+ on your hobby. For now, I'm satisfied spending $400 on my PS4 and playing this generation's games.

And hey, all PC gamers do is build some fancy rig capable of running Crysis on max ten times over and just play fucking Dota, which can run on a laptop for half the price. So enjoy your fancy tech, eat those lemons.

 

[TripleSMoon]

Can we please stop all this "MUH PC MASTER RACE!" bullshit. I already stated the appeal of console gaming several times in this forum, I don't want to hear PC gamers stroking themselves about how their $1000+ machine can do anything from output 4K to Skype call Valhalla. I don't give a shit.

I spent $400 on my PS4. I don't need a heavy duty PC for normal stuff and I'm not going to spend a lot of gaming. I'm so glad you can spend $1000+ on your hobby. For now, I'm satisfied spending $400 on my PS4 and playing this generation's games.

And hey, all PC gamers do is build some fancy rig capable of running Crysis on max ten times over and just play fucking Dota, which can run on a laptop for half the price. So enjoy your fancy tech, eat those lemons.

Skype sex in 4K sounds glorious.

In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can expect the PC master race argument here to stop if you continue to spout out (frankly ignorant) stereotypes like "$1000 machines" and "all they do is run Crysis on max and play Dota," even when that's probably not the case for even most PC gamers. Just food for thought.

 

[aofelix]

Reading could help, I said this in this very thread:
You said before that your PC hardly affects electricity bill, but have you thought about whether all people have the same luxury? I don't. Show me a PC configuration that never exceeds 33W power consumption while playing a game on par with the Wii U: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-is-the-green-console. To me, building a PC with equal computing power as the Wii U at much higher power consumption is a compromise.
I'm not concerned with which version of a 3rd party multiplatform game is the best. If I was, I'd have to buy all consoles and a PC. I'm putting my faith into Nintendo as I chose the Wii U this time, just as I chose the PS3 before it.
That I'm not interested in highest quality graphics should've been obvious. What I see in your argument is: if a console breaks, you just buy another and your games will all work the same. If your PC breaks (for whatever reason), you will have a hard time sourcing exactly the same components as from 3-4 years ago. If you decide to go with new internals (a more than viable option), you will have to be careful in the components you choose to ensure everything works as it should. You don't have the peace of mind of something that just works. That was my point.

I want to say something: I don't mind this consoles vs. PC debate in this thread. I started this thread, I let it go this far, but I don't mind it. A healthy discussion is good, but this isn't a healthy discussion. If you want to add to this debate, feel free to leave me a PM. I stand by my point and we have to agree to disagree if you have a problem with that. I never said anything disrespectful towards you, so I can't say I want to continue arguing when, as you put it, "ANYONE with half a brain" can see this has become personal. And I don't want it to be personal. Thanks.

If you are poor don't get a PC (in reference to your worry of electricity bills). A PC you build will have SUPERIOR computing power to a Wii U, PS4 and XBOX one. If your PC is not more powerful than those platforms, you're doing something wrong.

You are so wrong. If your PC's graphics card breaks in a few years, you buy a new better card for a cheaper price. Thats the advantage to PC technology moving so fast. My card I bought 2 years ago is now so cheap to replace or I can spend around $70 less and get a BETTER card to replace it once it breaks. My PC is on 24/7 and has never had a hitch hardware wise. They're made to be on 24/7.

My consoles which have been on less than 24/7 have suffered from over heating, RRODs, etc. Fixing a PC is cheaper and way easier than having to "buy a new console" if you are a bit smart. If you're not, DON'T GET A PC because when your graphics card breaks because you did something wrong, your brain might fry up too! haha i joke i joke. Also I don't what the hell you are talking about in terms of internals being difficult to source or compatibility being hard to ascertain. You're making PC building sound wayyyy more complicated and difficult than it is (its really really really easy). I'm no PC genius.. I've only read about this stuff on the internet as I'm a doctor, not an I.T. specialist but it really wasn't hard to google around, youtube about and see how easy it is to get a rig going.


If you're worried about electricity bills, don't care about graphics then really just get a PS3 and hack it with multiman and enjoy a huge library of excellent titles. Then buy a PS4 when its cheaper and the games are cheaper and when theres more of them. They might even release a PS4 slim with an even lower energy power consumption.


If you have a Wii U over a gaming PC or whatever, I won't really argue with it. Wii U has the best first party developer in the business with games which innovate far past what a PC can do due to the gamepad. Therefore I think a Wii U is an excellent purchase. It offers an experience so unique and so different to something a PC cannot emulate (for about 10 years lol jkjkjkj)

 

[aofelix]

Can we please stop all this "MUH PC MASTER RACE!" bullshit. I already stated the appeal of console gaming several times in this forum, I don't want to hear PC gamers stroking themselves about how their $1000+ machine can do anything from output 4K to Skype call Valhalla. I don't give a shit.

I spent $400 on my PS4. I don't need a heavy duty PC for normal stuff and I'm not going to spend a lot of gaming. I'm so glad you can spend $1000+ on your hobby. For now, I'm satisfied spending $400 on my PS4 and playing this generation's games.

And hey, all PC gamers do is build some fancy rig capable of running Crysis on max ten times over and just play fucking Dota, which can run on a laptop for half the price. So enjoy your fancy tech, eat those lemons.

Where is this $1000 coming from? PCs aren't that expensive to build to outclass a PS4. Sure, if you're shooting for the highest technology can give you, then it'll be 1k+. I'm not hating on PS4s. I'm just outlining the advantages of a PC over them. BTW I do NOT have a 4k-able pc. I will have a 4k-able PC in about 2-3 years once its cheap enough to get a nice card to do all that crap. Sadly the PS4 and XBOX1 will NEVER do that. I'm not some super epic PC gamer with dual graphics cards SLIed and constantly counting my FPS. I want the best priceerformance ratio deal.



PS4's are easier to set up, easier to pick up and play for friends, they have easier to setup local multiplayer, they have EXCELLENT phenomenal first party exclusive titles from naughty dog and I love the PS4's OS. They also have a lower price but they do have far more expensive games. They also have the superior version of PES 2015 which is a game I really like.

I will buy a PS4 once Uncharted 4, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy 15 are on the console. I also have PS+ through my Vita and I've been slowly picking up each PS4 titles every month so I'll have a few other games to play then too.

I already own a Wii U as put simply enough, Nintendo pumped out way too many phenomenal first party titles for me to ignore it any longer.

 

[shinkodachi]

Hey aofelix, if you have nothing to add to the discussion I'm kindly asking you to leave this thread.

I don't have to be poor to be aware of my electricity bills. If I can save even 1 euro every year, I'll do that. You can never know when that 1 euro will come in handy. It's really a question of how you view the world as a person. You keep referring to piracy and emulation, you also present hateful comments and your basis for arguments is that I'm wrong so you must be right. Not reporting you, just leaving this out here. Thanks.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Where is this $1000 coming from? PCs aren't that expensive to build to outclass a PS4. Sure, if you're shooting for the highest technology can give you, then it'll be 1k+. I'm not hating on PS4s. I'm just outlining the advantages of a PC over them. BTW I do NOT have a 4k-able pc. I will have a 4k-able PC in about 2-3 years once its cheap enough to get a nice card to do all that crap. Sadly the PS4 and XBOX1 will NEVER do that. I'm not some super epic PC gamer with dual graphics cards SLIed and constantly counting my FPS. I want the best priceerformance ratio deal.



PS4's are easier to set up, easier to pick up and play for friends, they have easier to setup local multiplayer, they have EXCELLENT phenomenal first party exclusive titles from naughty dog and I love the PS4's OS. They also have a lower price but they do have far more expensive games. They also have the superior version of PES 2015 which is a game I really like.

I will buy a PS4 once Uncharted 4, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy 15 are on the console. I also have PS+ through my Vita and I've been slowly picking up each PS4 titles every month so I'll have a few other games to play then too.

I already own a Wii U as put simply enough, Nintendo pumped out way too many phenomenal first party titles for me to ignore it any longer.

Build a $400 PC and it'll be outdated within a year. Maybe it'll have better specs than the PS4 but games will be optimized for the PS4 over the years. A $400 PC won't.

Essentially almost anything under $1000 for a PC will go outdated real quick. To get a PC that'll stay relevant for a generation (which nowadays lasts about 10 years), you need probably $1000.

My point is for someone who wants to play video games but doesn't want to invest a ton, a console is the best choice. PC gamers will rationalize their purchase by saying "Oh well Steam sales are great!" or "You can just pirate everything!" but I think I'll save myself at least $500 in the long run choosing a PS4 over a PC.

PC's definitely have a point if you're REALLY into games. It's kinda like playing Magic or building toy trains. A hobbyist might spend a couple bucks here and there for fun with their hobby. I like Magic but I'm not going to invest thousands of dollars into a deck. Maybe if I was REALLY into gaming I would go for the PC but my point is that it's not always the best choice unlike how many make it out to be.

 

[aofelix]

The PC will be outdated in terms of not being able to play games on Ultra/Very high but in 3-4 years time it will still handle medium/high settings very capably i.e. they will still look better than the PS4. know this from experience as my old rig lasted a long time. I only upgraded once it couldn't 1080p very high Dark Souls.

By that time the PS4 titles will have a far lower FPS in favour of graphical fidelity or vice versa (e.g. last of us on Ps3, phenomenal title but the fps was horrible.. still phenomenal game). For example, in my Dark Souls case, I got it for my PS3 and was shocked at the difference. Consoles are built on PC architecture this year too so expect far less optimisation problems for PCs.

The financial outlay is bigger in PC to begin with but over a year or two, it favours the PC. The advantages of backwards compatibility for the last 10-20 years can't be underestimated either. All my old titles like Mass Effect are 1 button press away.

I don't think you "really" need be into games to buy a PC. You just need to have a little know how about technology and be wanting to make the best priceerformance purchase. I'm like this with most things I buy. I want value and quality. Others just want convenience. For example, my friends will buy any 50'' LED TV aslong as it has a decent manufacturers name. I on the other hand will research and read around for a few hours to find out which sets are the best in terms of screen quality, response time, input lag, black levels and get a better TV for a little bit more (or sometimes less).

Your concept of money is really weird too. How can you compare playing magic competitively to spending thousands on a deck versus console + PC gaming? Over 5 years, a PC gamer who builds his PC smartly will spend LESS than a console gamer because of the premium of retail discs. Your magic example doesn't work.


I'd like to reiterate, PCs aren't perfect. They don't have some titles which are huge system sellers. I'm looking at Kingdom Hearts, FF15, Uncharted, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Zelda and thats why I plan to buy a PS4 and why I already own a Wii U.

 

[aofelix]

Hey aofelix, if you have nothing to add to the discussion I'm kindly asking you to leave this thread.

I don't have to be poor to be aware of my electricity bills. If I can save even 1 euro every year, I'll do that. You can never know when that 1 euro will come in handy. It's really a question of how you view the world as a person. You keep referring to piracy and emulation, you also present hateful comments and your basis for arguments is that I'm wrong so you must be right. Not reporting you, just leaving this out here. Thanks.

I'll stop replying now. I missed this post but my basis for arguments have never been you're wrong, I'm right. I've literally tried to explain each of my points and why I think you're wrong, hence why my posts have been so long. I've taken time out to write very long posts so you saying all I've written are you're wrong I'm right is a bit insulting as I've obviously wasted my time.

On the topic of money, sorry I was just trying to have a bit of fun and you can take my comments in regards to that with a pinch of salt but maybe I was out of order as I don't know your financial situation and it could be difficult. If your circumstances are difficult and you find gaming a good outlet to have some fun, then I am not one to judge so sorry. I just found it illogical that you were penny saving yet buying a console with games which are right now at a premium for minimum benefit. Console gaming is expensive, definitely in the first few years of a consoles cycle. If someone is concerned about 5-10 dollars a year on electricity, I'd recommend they buy a cheaper console and wait till they're financially stable before investing in a hobby like next gen gaming; theres a lot of fun to be had with a PS3.

Also yes I am bringing up emulation as this is GBATemp after all. However saving money on PC gaming is not just about emulation or piracy. Its about humble bundles, steam sales, modds which add hundreds of hours of gameplay to your experiences etc.




If you feel my comments have hurt your feelings, I wouldn't want to upset you at this was not my intention. This forum has helped me invaluably since I've joined and I was simply trying to share my experiences and the lessons I've learnt from console and PC gaming. I hope you're happy with your PS4 or Wii U or whichever console you have as regardless of whatever platform you play on, the experiences this generation are sure to be amazing as games just keep getting better and better. No matter which platform you pick, they all have great advantages and I'm sure you will have fun with either one. The PS4 has some amazing games coming out and I personally can't wait for Uncharted. XBOX one has the next tomb raider and the Wii U has the best first party library ATM.

Once again, sorry if I hit a nerve as I didn't mean for my comments to be hateful. Its the last thing I'd ever want to do on a forum where people have been so helpful. I just was a bit eager to educate and share my experiences with PC gaming as buying a rig was honestly the best gaming decision I've ever made. I used to have the same preconceptions like "omg the controllers won't work" or "omg it won't be seamless" or "omg its too expensive" or "omg its too fiddly", "omg its too big".. but once you invest the time and patience into a good solid build, the benefits really do come.