1. windmill

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    Hello citizens of GBATemp, please forgive my crappy looking post. Thanks to the help of others, named thane98 for making Paragon and bluejay on discord, I've made a hack that allows one to recruit amiibos in an unghostly state, with normal animations! This will allow you to play through the game with 7 new units essentially. 4 in Alm's Route, and 3 in Celica's Route. Will be updated when the Portraits are fixed.

    How to: Drag the files from the attached .zip file into your ROMFS folder. This Folder will always have the title id of 00040000001B4000. This has only been tested on a USA cartridge on an Old 2DS, so it my not work on a EUR or JPN version of the game.

    Where do I get my new units?: You can get Alm's units at the very beginning of his route, when recruiting Kliff and Faye. Celica's new units are obtained via recruiting Genny, and then Saber later on. This is due to the fact that only 3 units and join at once via events.

    Current Issues: Amiibos still have Ghost portraits.
    Shields look odd on Marth and Roy.
    Ike's victory animation looks awkward.
    Male Corrin's cape does not vanish properly during certain animations.

    Credits:
    thane98 - Paragon
    bluejay - Helping me fix the events and pratically walking me through this.
    Algo - Helped me make the amiibos not ghosts like 6 months ago.

    Download: Attached to the post.

    Screenshots: Right Here!

    Once again, please forgive the crappy looking post.
     

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    This looks pretty interesting! I had always wondered if something like this could be done, but always wrote it off as unfeasible. So bravo!

    After reading through the post and looking at the screenshots however, I do have many questions. How far does their functionality go? Do they have voice clips? Can they promote or overclass? Does Robin have a proper magic learnset? How did you decide who joins on which route?

    Edit: I may as well ask about their growths while I'm at it.
     
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    Functionality: The same as any sword locked unit in other games. They can equip any sword or shield or ring or whatever!

    Voice Clips: No. I gave them generic voices from other enemies to fix a crash, and I don't intend on importing voices from Fates, as that would be out of scope for this.

    Promotions: None. I have no Idea how to do that stuff, and thier Head model only works properly on thier own class it seems.

    Robin: Robin seemingly cannot be given a Magic learnset. There's been quite a few attempts to give him one, but it simply does not work, and crashes. It is possible to give him a 2nd spell, and that via default items. I'm likely going to give Robin the Conjure Spell [Necrodragons] in the next update.

    How did I decide: I just kidna chose at random to be honest.

    Growths: No clue, I didn't check, but the next update will feature growth's from each character's latest canonical appearance. Ex. Ike's growths from FE10 instead of Awakening's DLC or Fates.
     
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    That's a shame about the voice clips, but totally understandable. Too bad they can't be silent without causing crashes though, as that would've been a happy medium.

    As for Robin's second spell, Conjure Necrodragons seems a little strong no? You could always give him the normal thunder to go along with his unique thunder if you wanted to keep him thematically in character, though in that case it may be worth renaming his unique thunder variant to avoid confusion. Maybe silence? I suppose a tactical spell could also suit him, and would probably be easier to implement than renaming one instance of thunder.

    I would personally advise you to be a little more cautious in regards to growths. From my personal experience balancing the growths of amiibo units in Fates, I can say that growths will make or break balance and are as such very important. My recommendation would be to make sure their growth totals are similar to other characters in the game of their type (Robin to Mae or Boey for example), or even base their growths on another Echoes character completely and then edit them to more accurately represent the strength and weaknesses of a character (Lucina might be Saber with less hp and def growths, but higher atk and spd growths for example). The average character growth totals can vary greatly between different Fire Emblem titles, so simply transferring a character's growths wholesale from a different game will likely not be even close to balanced.

    Looking through Echoes data on Serenes, I'm shocked to see that the Amiibo classes actually have growth modifiers and bases, so those will have to be taken into account as well.

    Now unfortunately, this all gets a little extra tricky in this specific instance because res growths in echoes are practically non-existent. That means you might have to adjust some characters even more than you would normally, since characters like Robin would normally have a decent res grwoth. On top of that, none of these characters can get promotion gains which will put them behind the curve if they aren't given an advantage to offset this, likely in the form of slightly better growths.

    Of course this is all your project so you're welcome to do with it what you want. However if balance and fun gameplay when using these characters is something you want to achieve, then these are some things I'd keep in mind.
     
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    I mean, I did just make it so they can get to Level 40, to make up for another Tier's worth of possible leveling. And that info about growths is a good idea. I might just Zero out the class growths and make the growths dependant on the character to keep it simple.

    Edit: Yeah Summon Necro is a bit OP, I'll prolly change it to Aura or Sagiitae
     
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    Increasing their level cap is a great idea which is something I forgot to bring up earlier, so I'm glad you thought of it. My only concerns with that is how it still doesn't make up for a lack of promotion gains, and how Echoes exp gain is calculated. I'm unfamiliar with how exp is calculated in Echoes, but based off of other games I'm concerned if say a level 21 Marth may gain a different amount of exp than a level 1 promoted Kliff would get from the same enemy.
     
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    Amiibos gain about as much EXP in thier 30's as a Level 1 Knight Forsyth gains from another level 1 knight it seems. Marth got around 22 EXP average from enemies like Hades though... This stuffs wack.
     
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