Previous Chinese spy balloons discovered after the fact

[Hanafuda]

And Trump let 3 pass, without any of them getting shot down.

This is not consistent with what's been reported. There were 2 previous balloons while Trump was still President, and one previous one after Biden took office. The Pentagon source stated neither the President nor the military knew about them at the time, and that they only found out about them 'after the fact.' Hence the thread title. The fact of the 3 previous balloons became known after Biden was already President, but apparently before the balloon that was shot down last week. Why they didn't detect them before, and how they figured out that previous balloons had flown over the US without being detected at the time, has not been reported.

That all sounds a little contrived to me, but according to the source from which this has been reported, Trump never knew about any balloons, and Biden didn't know about one that flew over the US before last week's that was shot down off the coast of the Carolinas.

 

[Xzi]

Once again, you are regurgitating what the billionaires' media empires tell you without understanding what you are saying.

You're the one discounting billionaires' role in driving both inflation and profiteering, coming to their defense once again like a good little lapdog. The media tries to deflect blame to anyone and everyone else, just as you're attempting to do now.

They are the most evil and vile organizations and the left are afraid to even talk about them, much less do anything about them.

FFS, there would be no centralized banking without capitalism, and leftists are anti-capitalists first and foremost. The reason it's hard to find solidarity with rightoids in this regard is because you're too often trying to scapegoat Jewish people specifically, rather than lay the blame where it actually belongs.

How are you gonna have a French-style revolution when everybody you support want to confiscate guns? Are you some big 2nd Amendment supporter now?

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Karl Marx

That doesn't mean I can't also be in favor of common sense gun control, like taking weapons away from demonstrably violent/mentally ill individuals. What it does mean is that I'm in favor of retaining the right to collective action.

 

[Taleweaver]

Heh...I came here to see if opinions might've changed with new facts, but it seems it's just bashing on @TraderPatTX for being himself (I have that guy muted for months. Too bad replies to him still pollute my browsing ).

So...by the time I'm writing this, US air force has shot down three more "unidentified flying objects". From what I hear, the other three were smaller and flew less high (6 to 12 kilometers, as opposed to the 20 of the Chinese one). China doesn't even bother denying it because the army flat out admits they don't know what they're shooting down. Objects that fly and are unidentified.

The fact that they don't even rule out extraterrestrials speaks volumes in itself: they don't have a fucking clue. (and honestly: I had to reread that part because I couldn't believe it: general Glen VanHerck, head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, actually answered that to a journalist).

Oh, and one final thing: can we all agree that this "sovereignty over our airspace" is bullshit? The third object was shot down over Canada, around 150 kilometers from US border. I'm not denouncing or condemning the action...just pointing out that USA is now acting as if they're at war, but it sounds like a modern equivalent of Don Quichot fighting windmills.

 

[x65943]

Heh...I came here to see if opinions might've changed with new facts, but it seems it's just bashing on @TraderPatTX for being himself (I have that guy muted for months. Too bad replies to him still pollute my browsing ).

So...by the time I'm writing this, US air force has shot down three more "unidentified flying objects". From what I hear, the other three were smaller and flew less high (6 to 12 kilometers, as opposed to the 20 of the Chinese one). China doesn't even bother denying it because the army flat out admits they don't know what they're shooting down. Objects that fly and are unidentified.

The fact that they don't even rule out extraterrestrials speaks volumes in itself: they don't have a fucking clue. (and honestly: I had to reread that part because I couldn't believe it: general Glen VanHerck, head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, actually answered that to a journalist).

Oh, and one final thing: can we all agree that this "sovereignty over our airspace" is bullshit? The third object was shot down over Canada, around 150 kilometers from US border. I'm not denouncing or condemning the action...just pointing out that USA is now acting as if they're at war, but it sounds like a modern equivalent of Don Quichot fighting windmills.

Canada authorized that

US and Canada are allies and have shared defense - just like how two European NATO countries might patrol airspace for each other

 

[Taleweaver]

Canada authorized that

US and Canada are allies and have shared defense - just like how two European NATO countries might patrol airspace for each other

We'll see how that holds up when it turns out that thing was just something innocent and not some spying device that properly tracked the many hidden secret bases in the yukon.
(what can i say? I'm not going to say no to the us to shooting things down over our airspace either).

Oh, also some other interesting link:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nistry-says-us-also-flies-balloons-over-china

China isn't the only country using weather balloons. They're just not gunning them down because a president wants to look tough to the opposition.

 

[djnate27]

Now we know what some of those "UFO's" probably were that have been seen in the sky over the years.

 

[TraderPatTX]

You're the one discounting billionaires' role in driving both inflation and profiteering, coming to their defense once again like a good little lapdog. The media tries to deflect blame to anyone and everyone else, just as you're attempting to do now.

Only the Federal Reserve and the the Federal Government can cause inflation by pumping too many dollars into the economy. If they would have hoarded those dollars, we wouldn't be having inflation. Stop being retarded about this.

FFS, there would be no centralized banking without capitalism, and leftists are anti-capitalists first and foremost. The reason it's hard to find solidarity with rightoids in this regard is because you're too often trying to scapegoat Jewish people specifically, rather than lay the blame where it actually belongs.

There is centralized banking in socialist countries too. Just took 5 seconds and learned there are central banks in Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela. The left have been scapegoating Jews in Israel for decades. Don't be gaslighting like people don't know history.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Karl Marx

He's talking about before the communist revolution. After the revolution, they all confiscated weapons.

That doesn't mean I can't also be in favor of common sense gun control, like taking weapons away from demonstrably violent/mentally ill individuals. What it does mean is that I'm in favor of retaining the right to collective action.

There's no such thing as common sense gun control until the 2nd Amendment is repealed. Since the left are such a vast majority in the this country, why haven't you knuckleheads done it yet?

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Only the Federal Reserve and the the Federal Government can cause inflation by pumping too many dollars into the economy. If they would have hoarded those dollars, we wouldn't be having inflation. Stop being retarded about this.

sigh
1. the rich isn't taxed equally or nor to the same degree (they should be, but aren't)
2. You (as in you, Traderpat) don't want to put funding into the IRS, which have said that they are underfunded, so they just target the easiest people to track. Which is low income.
3. Because of this the rich hoard most of the money.
4. Because of their immense amount of money, and lack of alternatives, they can price gouge as much as they want, and buy out congress members. (not through bribery obviously, but lobbying) writing tax laws into what is beneficial to the rich.


5. Because of the lack of regulation on stuff such as, idk, oil. Oil companies are going to to pull a capitalism when the federal government says they need to reduce the total oil usage. Which just means oil companies are going to price oil higher, without no end or cap. Despite it being a resource we need to rely less on.

He's talking about before the communist revolution. After the revolution, they all confiscated weapons.

How to tell people you've never read marx. Without saying you never read marx.

 

[TraderPatTX]

sigh
1. the rich isn't taxed equally or nor to the same degree (they should be, but aren't)

They are taxes more than anybody else.

2. You (as in you, Traderpat) don't want to put funding into the IRS, which have said that they are underfunded, so they just target the easiest people to track. Which is low income.

Because I know they still won't go after the politicians' donors.

3. Because of this the rich hoard most of the money.

The rich spend the most money and they pay the most in taxes.

4. Because of their immense amount of money, and lack of alternatives, they can price gouge as much as they want, and buy out congress members. (not through bribery obviously, but lobbying) writing tax laws into what is beneficial to the rich.

Decentralize then. They can't buy every state representative in all 50 states.

5. Because of the lack of regulation on stuff such as, idk, oil. Oil companies are going to to pull a capitalism when the federal government says they need to reduce the total oil usage. Which just means oil companies are going to price oil higher, without no end or cap. Despite it being a resource we need to rely less on.

The government shouldn't be telling businesses how much product to produce. That's called fascism.

How to tell people you've never read marx. Without saying you never read marx.

What an idiotic comment. I'm not even sure why I wasted my time discrediting it. It did a great job discrediting itself.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Decentralize then. They can't buy every state representative in all 50 states.

Ah yes, just decentralize 4head. How to give a solution without giving an actual solution.
For context, I'm for decentralization. Decentralizing power is good, wonderful for democracies.
You however, need to actually give like, an example of how to do it. Otherwise you're just all talk.

The government shouldn't be telling businesses how much product to produce. That's called fascism.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn okay, I guess businesses making none or less asbestos cigarettes because the guboerment, is fascism now.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Ah yes, just decentralize 4head. How to give a solution without giving an actual solution.
For context, I'm for decentralization. Decentralizing power is good, wonderful for democracies.
You however, need to actually give like, an example of how to do it. Otherwise you're just all talk.

Read the Constitution. It has a detailed plan on how to decentralize the government.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Damn okay, I guess businesses making none or less asbestos cigarettes because the guboerment, is fascism now.

Pay close attention to the words centralized

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

And since I know you won't scroll all the way, here is an important little tidbit.

: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted

Now, that doesn't' sound like anything that I have ever advocated for anywhere on this forum, and yet, you have spent months calling me a fascist and a nazi. This is why you lose arguments with me. You never know what you are talking about which forces you to resort to name calling that the tax exempt billionaire corporate media tells you to call people who present arguments and ideas you don't understand.