[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[Foxi4]

Senator Sanders doesn't still have a shot. Secretary Clinton is the presumptive nominee.

Thank God. We're all safe from the scourge of socialism for another 4 years. Good luck next time, Comrade Sanders.



You have no idea how long I've waited for the thread to return to Sanders for a moment just to post this. My life is complete now. ;O;

 

[XDel]

@XDel - Perhaps you take it the wrong way in which I (or others) speak of the past, but it is a healthy reflection of undue projection of the future through examples in the past which demonstrate that the present isn't as all bad as one would take it. Certainly, there's room for improvement but the compare and constrast of it just tends to point out the negatives because positives are a pretty prevalent thing throughout time and we hope to be the norm, not the exception. So just as history focuses on the non-ordinary, so news focuses on the new.

That's all one hears about today are the evils in America's past...
...the rest of the world on the other hand is squeaky clean and free of vice.

Mind you, I am part native American, I grew up as a young child heavily critiquing the hypocrisy I read in our shitty school text books, saw on the TV, within the people around me, etc. But as I got older and matured, I saw how that was not an American issue, but a people issue in general, and then I saw how anti-American sentiment went on to be often slanted and one sided, and used for the sake of propaganda or in trying to demonstrate how the Forefathers didn't know crap and how we all just need to update to Socialism, Communism, Marxism, or some other failed system as opposed to looking at the real problems.

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"Like its wartime prototype, the post-war propaganda drive was an immense success, as it persuaded not just businessmen but journalists and politicians that “the manufacture of consent,” in Walter Lippmann’s famous phrase, was a necessity throughout the public sphere.”
― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda (1928)

 

[osaka35]

Move to Canada while you still can.

Canada is pretty hard to get into. You either have to be super rich, have family, or be super skilled in a profession and a company is willing to file loads of paperwork. And even then it takes months to years to happen. Student visas only last for about 6 months.

 

[VinsCool]

Canada is pretty hard to get into. You either have to be super rich, have family, or be super skilled in a profession and a company is willing to file loads of paperwork. And even then it takes months to years to happen. Student visas only last for about 6 months.

Ouch that's worse than what I thought. Now just hope a miracle happens.

 

[brickmii82]

Trump's wall is what in the Polish political scene we call the "Voter's Sausage" - it's an outrageous claim that's supposed to fix a problem which you have no intention to actually execute that exists solely to gin up votes. The Times recently interviewed Trump and even he says that he mentions the wall when the listeners are getting bored during debates or public speeches because it gets their motors going. There isn't going to be any wall, and if there will be, it'll be a 50-feet tall, 20-feet long brick banner with Trump's face on it - that'll scare Mexicans from miles away. Seriously, anyone who believes this sort of crap is a dullard - Trump is just using hot button issues like Islam and illegal immigration to get the popular vote, and you all got fooled by his show.

And this is exactly the reason I can't stand behind the man. Using anger as a motivator in the political arena generally turns out poorly. Especially when it's done the way Trump has, pointing at ethnicities and religions. In a way, you're right. But nobody has been "fooled" the way you claim. If anything, we've only proven the point that despite having elected a Black leader, we're still as bigoted and stereotyped as before. "Make America Great Again"?!? Fuck that. It should be "Make America Hate Again"

 

[Feeling it!]

I'm not American but if I where, I'd vote for Trump.
See if he can fuck up the US more then Bush did, just for fun.

In reality, I don't know.
Haven't paid any interest in what they wanted and promised.
All I know is that Trump is a racist cunt and Clinton gets bad PR.

What most people don't tell you is that clinton and trump are the same.
I am going to grab some coffee and see my boat sink over here XD

 

[hobbledehoy899]

What most people don't tell you is that clinton and trump are the same.

They're both as useful as the Green Party.

 

[brickmii82]

That's all one hears about today are the evils in America's past...
...the rest of the world on the other hand is squeaky clean and free of vice.

Mind you, I am part native American, I grew up as a young child heavily critiquing the hypocrisy I read in our shitty school text books, saw on the TV, within the people around me, etc. But as I got older and matured, I saw how that was not an American issue, but a people issue in general, and then I saw how anti-American sentiment went on to be often slanted and one sided, and used for the sake of propaganda or in trying to demonstrate how the Forefathers didn't know crap and how we all just need to update to Socialism, Communism, Marxism, or some other failed system as opposed to looking at the real problems.

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"Like its wartime prototype, the post-war propaganda drive was an immense success, as it persuaded not just businessmen but journalists and politicians that “the manufacture of consent,” in Walter Lippmann’s famous phrase, was a necessity throughout the public sphere.”
― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda (1928)

Communism, Democracy, Monarchy, all of it can work in theory tbh. The fact is, we're all servants to a master in some form or another. That's life and the natural world as we know it. The question becomes, is it a fair master? Mankind tends to get pretty pissy when it's not. To me, it's less of a case of the systems failing the leader(s), but more the leader(s) failing the system.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Communism, Democracy, Monarchy, all of it can work in theory tbh. The fact is, we're all servants to a master in some form or another. That's life and the natural world as we know it. The question becomes, is it a fair master? Mankind tends to get pretty pissy when it's not. To me, it's less of a case of the systems failing the leader(s), but more the leader(s) failing the system.

Technically in Perfect Communism no one is anyone's servant, it's just kind of one big happy orgy of survival

But otherwise, I agree

 

[sarkwalvein]

What most people don't tell you is that clinton and trump are the same.
I am going to grab some coffee and see my boat sink over here XD

Why the eyecancer?
Was it really needed?
Goes off looking for eye drops.

 

[hobbledehoy899]

Why the eyecancer?
Was it really needed?
Goes off looking for eye drops.

Stop over-reacting about non-political issues.

 

[grossaffe]

I suppose it depends on which part of star trek you're pulling from. I tend to pull from the later star trek: The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Their klingons, at least the ones that aren't gawron or impertinent youths, seem to hold honor above all else and that dictates their morals and actions. This extends to other species as much as their own. Though it's not easy to earn their respect, once you have it you have it.

Woah, don't go dragging Gawron's name through the mud. Sure, he's got those crazy eyes, but he's honorable. It's Duras and family that would have me looking over my shoulder.

 

[brickmii82]

Woah, don't go dragging Gawron's name through the mud. Sure, he's got those crazy eyes, but he's honorable. It's Duras and family that would have me looking over my shoulder.

And the crazy Klingon Shakespeare dude from ST6: Undiscovered Country!!

 

[grossaffe]

And the crazy Klingon Shakespeare dude from ST6: Undiscovered Country!!

well that's TOS era, so it doesn't quite apply to the post I responded to.

 

[brickmii82]

well that's TOS era, so it doesn't quite apply to the post I responded to.

Awe c'mon!! It applies!! He was scary!!

Right?!? Lol

 

[XDel]

Communism, Democracy, Monarchy, all of it can work in theory tbh. The fact is, we're all servants to a master in some form or another. That's life and the natural world as we know it. The question becomes, is it a fair master? Mankind tends to get pretty pissy when it's not. To me, it's less of a case of the systems failing the leader(s), but more the leader(s) failing the system.

Well no actually, experiments as well as seeing them in action proves that some form of governments work better than others, hence the reason for so many varieties... well since the decline of Monarchies which followed the decline of Wise Men, Judges, Shamens, Chiefs, and the like.

And now that I am getting closer to tribalism... in a tribe, in a small community, there is a lot more flexibility in regards as to what can work and can not, but when you are dealing with massive governments, which are now turning into a global effort, things are always going to be Chaotic and will eventually lead to collapse. Either they will eat them selves, or else we are going to burn up the resources needed to sustain the technologies that such large governments (and their neo-propaganda) could not possible exist without.

I.E. without morse code, the telegraph, and so on, Federal Government would never have been possible, the Union would not be possible, and the rule of the states would still be in the hands of the states, counties, towns, families, and individuals, but now...
...well now we are too busy following international tabloids and patting our selves on the back for constantly sticking our fingers in each other's pie, insisting that they guy 800 miles away should live exactly like, and have the concerns of the guy living in a high rent sky scraper in New York, and so on.

 

[Foxi4]

And this is exactly the reason I can't stand behind the man. Using anger as a motivator in the political arena generally turns out poorly. Especially when it's done the way Trump has, pointing at ethnicities and religions. In a way, you're right. But nobody has been "fooled" the way you claim. If anything, we've only proven the point that despite having elected a Black leader, we're still as bigoted and stereotyped as before. "Make America Great Again"?!? Fuck that. It should be "Make America Hate Again"

Oh? Nobody bought it, huh? Is that why people consistently call him the second Hitler and a racist? Okay then.

 

[leon315]

there's no need to hurry to decide it yet, otherwise u will be trumped XD

 

[Pikm]

Thank God. We're all safe from the scourge of socialism for another 4 years. Good luck next time, Comrade Sanders.

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You have no idea how long I've waited for the thread to return to Sanders for a moment just to post this. My life is complete now. ;O;

Ignoring the fact that Donald Trump is a fascist.

 

[grossaffe]

Ignoring the fact that Donald Trump is a fascist.

As much as I see Trump as a joke, I really doubt he's a fascist. He's a narcisist; of that, I have no doubt. For the most part, though, I'm not so sure he believes even a tenth of what he says.