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For whom will/would you vote?

This poll will close on Nov 4, 2020 at 8:41 PM.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    36.5%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    48.8%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.3%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    8.5%
  6. 389 voter(s)
  1. Foxi4

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    You are trying to use the social construct of "international law" to justify your position, your position being "the U.S. shouldn't have curb-stomped a terrorist on somebody else's lawn", which in my eyes is a minor complaint. I don't see the difference between the two, an appeal is an appeal. Soleimani was a key instrument in the Iranian regime, he orchestrated a number of attacks on American and international troops over the years, and he didn't seem to be bothered by international law or severeignity either. Sure, it would be nice if the American intelligence informed Iraqi intelligence about the operation, but there are several problems here - one, they would risk blowing the whole thing if anyone spilled the beans, two, it would directly implicate Iraq directly which could possibly lead to another war whereas now they can just wash their hands off the whole affair and three, they had to act fast. Once again, as far as I am concerned, justice was done and the Iranian regime got just a little bit weaker. Quite honestly, I much prefer those smaller, covert strikes over full-blown land, sea and air warfare that costs trillions of dollars, causes thousands of deaths and leads to untold collateral damage. Those big, pompous displays serve nobody - not the indigenous population nor the international community. I don't see anyone crying over the general, nor do I see a war going on over it, so there you go. For once the U.S. avoided using drone strikes accidentally aimed at weddings, sounds like a win to me.
     
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    don't complain when someone "curb-stomps" an American on American soil in the future. we can be terrorists in someone else's eyes, which means they are justified right? hell, don't get mad when American dignitaries get smoked in any other country, regardless of treaties or agreements, cause they are just pieces of paper, and international law does not matter.
     
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    Are you kidding me? I'd sit down and eat popcorn watching half of them get smoked. :lol: See, libertarians, they're not huge fans of the government, they like it real small. That'd make it smaller, for sure. :toot:

    Jokes aside, I totally see where you're coming from, but I consider the complaint as small and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, I really do. I see this as no different than Bush eliminating terrorists abroad, Obama eliminating terrorists abroad, or any other president. It's a long-standing tradition at this point, I'm more interested in matters that directly affect people's lives, and in that regard Trump has been pushing things towards my court throughout most of his presidency. He sure did do some dumb-dumbs and I didn't like some of his advisors, but most of the ones I found distasteful are sacked now, so no biggy.

    In any case, back to the topic at hand - the election. Biden had an event in Tampa yesterday and what happened was the exact same thing I said always happens when he has to speak off-the-cuff - he talked gibberish.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...he_second_floor_of_the_ladies_department.html

    What he actually meant to say was that a former quartermaster would be qualified to work in retail, but it came out... Well, it came out in Biden-speak. He always tops it off with "y'know what I mean?" - no Joe, we don't know what you mean. Nobody knows what you mean on the first go, we have to fire up our deciphering machine first. Guys, at what point does voting for grandpa classify as elderly abuse? Y'all crazy, you can't do this to yourselves. :lol:
     
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    I'm curious how many people here actually believe that — if elected — Biden will serve a full term in office.

    It's disgusting that they chose his VP not on merit, but on race and gender, as has been openly stated. Not only that, she dropped out of the race before any caucus or primary because she had virtually no support. It's gross that they intend to place Harris as President via Joe Biden's election. I'm sure the people that actually want Joe want Joe and not a blatant bait and switch.
     
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    It's hilarious that the people who are crying over "democracy dying" in the United States are the same people who have been kicking up a fuss over the results of the election for nigh on 4 years now, tried to depose the duly-elected President in every way they knew how and now want to replace him with an unelected VP using a switcheroo as soon as Biden is "no longer capable of fulfilling his function". It's as if the DNC was ran by Dick Dastardly, the schemes are comical and transparent.
     
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    It's amazing how a character like Trump could become president. Says a lot about the average american I guess. :P
     
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    The last time I'd consider a main party nominee to be a person of good character was Reagan in 80 and 84.
     
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    When in US history had that happened? Spinning that SciFi yarn again. And the thing is, you didnt even make it up, you just retold it. So somewhere along the way your selection process on BS stories failed.

    Also, here is why you pick them 'more extreme than your views' https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...es-vice-presidents-irrelevant-to-influential/

    Edit looked it up, happened eight times, out of 45, so there is a reasonable probability. So now I need a different argument against. How about you seriously tell people who to vote for, based on the principal of 'who of the candidates could die'? No, tell us more, but while you are at it, let me remove myself from the room.

    edit: Past 50 years are more in my favor:
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/10/21/9574065/vice-presidents-president-history
     
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    It's not really science fiction when democrats expect it as well. Biden will be the oldest President ever and is clearly on the way out mentally and perhaps physically. Harris is the replacement.
     
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    Look, you are conservative and 10/10 risk averse, so you plan through examples of potentiality when people that are now living, die in the next four years. We get it.

    Also you have a bubble complex, where society is positively effed, if a progressive candidate, even gets the reign of your country for less than four years. No possibility in your head - that that might mean, that the progressive becomes more of a centrist as a result on the job. You know - like Trump in all things but those that were deemed important for PR.

    (You had children separated from their mothers and then institutions structurally forget who their mothers were. You even survived that as a nation.)

    You are not 99% of people, and you are bad at arguing. If you marry yourself to a hypothetical of someone dying as your main driver for your voting decision.
     
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    Weird assumption to make that people wouldn't still be trying to get Trump out, if Kamala Harris was the candidate instead.
     
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    Harris dropped out of the race two months before the Iowa caucus after receiving a staggering 3% in early polling. Putting forward a nominee that was leading in polls nationally with the explicit intention of replacing them with one nobody wanted is deceptive and unfair to the voter. It's not a "weird assumption", that's what the numbers say.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/us/politics/iowa-poll-warren-biden.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...out-democratic-2020-presidential-race-reports
     
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    I know what happened. That was her vs other democrats. What I doubt, is suddenly everyone would have changed their mind about Trump, if was only her vs Trump.
     
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    What you're basically saying is that the election isn't an election at all, but a referendum on Trump. Again, Harris received 3% of Democrat votes in early polling. They would've preferred Fauxcahontas or the unelectable Sanders over Harris. She's being shoved into their faces when they preferred other candidates, and Biden explicitly stated that he's picking a "black female candidate", so she was chosen because of her sex and color of her skin. Once a party of racism, always a party of racism, it seems.
     
  15. Lacius

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    What conspiracy theory nonsense are you going on about? Also, you do know vice presidents are elected, right?

    She made it up to as high as 15% after the first debate. In such a crowded field, that was second place at the time.
     
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    The way I look at it, people vote for the presidential candidate. The running mate is there to do just that - run with them, serve as an assistant and in the event of an *unexpected* death/incapacitation they can temporarily step in until an actual President is elected. Never in the history of the country was there a situation when people voted for the running mate because they expected the candidate to conk out, now this is a very real possibility. Not conspiracy, merely an observation. Nobody votes for the running mate, they're voting for the candidate.
     
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    The way you look at it is irrelevant. The U.S. Constitution clearly lays out how elections for president and vice president work. To call either of these "unelected" is factually wrong.

    This isn't the first time people gave more attention to a running mate because the top of the ticket was old, etc. Sarah Palin, for example, received a lot of scrutiny because of McCain's age.

    I think it's totally fair to give extra attention to Harris' capability to be president because of Biden's age.

    The conspiracy nonsense was that the Democratic Party (or anybody else for that matter) is at all planning a premeditated switcheroo.
     
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    Harris was *picked* by Biden, not elected by the people. When people cast a ballot, they'll be voting for Biden, although technically you are correct - it is the "Biden-Harris" ticket, so fair enough. Given Biden's obvious cognitive decline I consider it premeditated - you can call it a conspiracy if you want, that's still my opinion on the matter. Harris isn't a running mate as much as a wobbling mate, helping Biden tumble his way to the finish line.
     
  19. KingVamp

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    In a way, it is both.
     
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    If Harris becomes VP, it's because she was elected by the people.

    And yes, what you're spouting is an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory no better than any kind of "the election has already been decided by guys in suits in a room somewhere" conspiracy theories.
     
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